This whole post has nothing to do with my analogy. I don't mind giving it again.That would be precisely what I mean. Just as God did not make a single man to represent their image, human parents don't normally give birth to a male and female pair, who would then be joined together as one flesh.
We as human parents typically produce one half of a pair and then that offspring must go out and find the other half of the pair and become joined to them.
Human parents cannot create the image of God as God did. Parents create one half of God's image just as they were designed to do.
God has stated what God's image is and if you live by every word of the mouth of God as you are told to do by God then you would know that their image is represented as a pair who are joined as one in spirit and purpose.
John 17:11 ...Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
John 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity.
See here again by God's own words the joining together of Father and son is considered a complete unity.
John 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
So far you are the only one in this conversation who began making any reference to JW's
I have no necessity to dismantle any of your imaginary connections. I have God's word as my direction in all things.
Children as I have pointed out are not referenced by God when they created mankind in their image;
Matt 19:4 Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female" 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?
See not one mention of children in the forming of God's image. I defy you to show any children within God's word that were created at the beginning and were made part of the one flesh covenant defined by God for that male and female pair. You cannot do it. You cannot by any rationale or imagination add anything to God's word without being judged by God as adding to his word.
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
Who's Holy Spirit?
There is no trinity in God or in God's word. God's image is defined by God as a pair (male and female) and is stated as such in several places throughout God's book. Your adherence to a tradition by man to redefine God's image as something other than what God has defined as their image is anti-God & anti-Christian.
Indeed your mind errs. since you don't comprehend that the two persons / beings who will become parents are already one Just as the Father and Christ were already one prior to the forming of Adam and Eve (male and female) to represent their image (a pair) to the world.
The Deception of the Teaching of the Trinity
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In seeking to understand the traditional family, Christians should keep in mind that not only are individual persons created in the image of God, but so is the family itself. The human family is the closest analogy that mankind will ever come to concretely understanding the Blessed Trinity.
The creeds teach that while there is one God, He exists in three distinct persons. The bible, on the other hand, reveals that man is made in the 'image of God'. From these two truths, therefore, we can acknowledge that the complete image of God is found in the Triune understanding of Him.
This understanding of His Triune nature is reflected by the human family whose personal relationships approach the likeness of the Trinity. There are multiple demonstrations of this truth.
Consider the unity of the Trinity which is reflected in the unity of the family. Or the "family of persons" which is found in both. The persons of the Trinity share the 'same substance ' while a human family becomes one flesh: wife with husband and parents with children.
There is also another element in the Trinity that lends itself to human likeness. The Nicene Creed professes this about the Trinity: "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life who proceeds from the Father and the Son."
In Catholic theology, the Holy Spirit is said to proceed from the will of both the Father and the Son, or in other words, through the activity which they engage in, otherwise known as "love".
The Holy Spirit is poured forth through the exchange of love between the Father and the Son. This is why perhaps Jesus says to the Apostles: " Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." (John 16:7)
In the eternal economy of the Trinity, therefore, a person 'proceeds' from the love between two other persons. And so, the Holy Spirit is love 'proceeding' or 'coming from' the first two persons of the Blessed Trinity.
The human family has a rather striking parallel to this dynamic. The ultimate act of intimacy in a marriage mirrors the eternal exchange of love between the first two persons of the Trinity.
And like the eternal or continual procession of the Holy Spirit in the Trinity, the act of love between a man and a woman causes a 'procession' of another human person (i.e. the birth of a child).
Thus, it is precisely because the homosexual sex act is not ordered to the procession of another person, that it can never be a Trinitarian reflection of the divine essence.
Indeed, the sexual act itself, which is supposed to be a reflection of the Trinitarian relationship, becomes, through the homosexual act, a blasphemy against God since it ends up distorting the Trinitarian image of Him.
The human sexual act either affirms God's image or it distorts it. This is why all forms of contraceptive sex, including the homosexual act, are serious sins: they seek to create God in another image. It is anti-Trinitarian.
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The creeds teach that while there is one God, He exists in three distinct persons. The bible, on the other hand, reveals that man is made in the 'image of God'. From these two truths, therefore, we can acknowledge that the complete image of God is found in the Triune understanding of Him.
This understanding of His Triune nature is reflected by the human family whose personal relationships approach the likeness of the Trinity. There are multiple demonstrations of this truth.
Consider the unity of the Trinity which is reflected in the unity of the family. Or the "family of persons" which is found in both. The persons of the Trinity share the 'same substance ' while a human family becomes one flesh: wife with husband and parents with children.
There is also another element in the Trinity that lends itself to human likeness. The Nicene Creed professes this about the Trinity: "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life who proceeds from the Father and the Son."
In Catholic theology, the Holy Spirit is said to proceed from the will of both the Father and the Son, or in other words, through the activity which they engage in, otherwise known as "love".
The Holy Spirit is poured forth through the exchange of love between the Father and the Son. This is why perhaps Jesus says to the Apostles: " Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." (John 16:7)
In the eternal economy of the Trinity, therefore, a person 'proceeds' from the love between two other persons. And so, the Holy Spirit is love 'proceeding' or 'coming from' the first two persons of the Blessed Trinity.
The human family has a rather striking parallel to this dynamic. The ultimate act of intimacy in a marriage mirrors the eternal exchange of love between the first two persons of the Trinity.
And like the eternal or continual procession of the Holy Spirit in the Trinity, the act of love between a man and a woman causes a 'procession' of another human person (i.e. the birth of a child).
Thus, it is precisely because the homosexual sex act is not ordered to the procession of another person, that it can never be a Trinitarian reflection of the divine essence.
Indeed, the sexual act itself, which is supposed to be a reflection of the Trinitarian relationship, becomes, through the homosexual act, a blasphemy against God since it ends up distorting the Trinitarian image of Him.
The human sexual act either affirms God's image or it distorts it. This is why all forms of contraceptive sex, including the homosexual act, are serious sins: they seek to create God in another image. It is anti-Trinitarian.
The Catholic Legate
You were bamboozled?What part of the link in that second post did you miss?
All of it. Since I didn't see it in the first, I wasn't looking for it in the second. I was quite caught up with the specifics. It was like a truth bomb exploded and I was watching it unfold. beautiful. So many ties that referenced to what I had found on my own... well not quite on my own.
Thx for the reference. Now I must research them to see how far they have progressed.
So many religious sects of Christianity have some parts that are absolutely correct yet almost all have absorbed many of the errors that plague proper understanding of God and there are so many souls... But I know that God helps those who are sincere to be found of them. It simply comes down to sincerity and asking for help.
Most people read right over this scripture but, it is a most accurate portrayal of exactly how Christianity and the truths it began with have been subverted;
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Notice the key point in that verse that tells us that it must be sought out and found.
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And your whole post has nothing to do with God's word.
Were Adam and Eve one before Cain or after Cain?
Simple question simple answer.
Here is an analogy for you. The trinity addon to the bible formed by the traditions of men are like saying to McDonalds... yea we know you have copyrighted an image of the golden arches but we have chosen to call you the three legged M.
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Trinity add-on theories were invented after the Enlightenment era; such modernists can disprove most of the Bible with dubious historicity methods.
Adam and Eve were one in the marital sense, before, during and after Cain. Will you answer my questions?
Are offspring made in the image and likeness of God? You keep giving me a scriptural run-around.
The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
(it doesn't say "in the names of")
Father
Son
Holy Spirit
Trinity in Matt. 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Lord Jesus Christ
God
Holy Spirit
Trinity in 2 Corinthians 13:14
Hebrews 9:14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Christ
eternal Spirit
God
Trinity in Hebrews 9:14
My second question: are you a Christadelphian? They like your references.
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well c'mon though k, that is a pretty contested verse.
I'm curious if you would describe the fruit of this doctrine, on a personal level. How does this doctrine serve you? Anyone? ty
Indeed I do and have for quite some time.
Jesus was asked by his Disciples, why he always spoke in parables. Many of those parable teachings were drawn, as the Disciples knew and is what prompted their question, from the old testament teachings they'd heard in Temple.
Our precious Lord's teachings were truth then, and true revelation for those with the eyes to see and the ears to hear today. Narrow is the gate.
Matthew 13
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
I've learned over many years to pay attention to the mysteries God reveals to me. Maybe this will make a picture for others as it is something I've personally seen and arrived at as a proper metaphor to explain it. 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Remember that square tile game when you were a child? A small framed square with little square tiles linked within that when moved would form a picture. It was a moving tile puzzle.
Years ago something happened in my life and the Holy Spirit delivered unto me in that moment the blessing that let me see the truth of that old saying, life is a school. And all we experience is God the teacher delivering the lesson plan he has in store.
I see my life today and especially with what has transpired in these past few days, as likeness to that picture puzzle. God in his omniscient authority and love places me where I need to be and just at the right time so that another puzzle piece falls into place. Just as needed, just as prayed for, just in time for the good of me and mine. Had something long years ago not happened that let me see that sacred golden thread that links all things into the present moment, I'd not be aware today.
The narrow gate revealed in God's own time. Each one of his chosen daughters and son's are on their respective paths toward that entrance. Mapped out by the greatest map maker in all existence. It is the greatest blessing to become aware of the markers, the guideposts, that remind me of that path and the path maker that has spiritual hands on my shoulders, with a kiss to my head, as he lovingly guides me through all that he has planned. I nearly weep as I write this because my life dad has passed on. But my Father in Heaven is eternal and I am never alone.
None of us are.
It is holy script for him even though the evidence within the bible and without argue against its existence.
YES!!!!!!!!!
Christ had given a spiritually discerned message when he stated "that man shall live by EVERY WORD of the mouth of God'. Every word of God begins in Genesis and doesn't end until revelation. This is why the spirit directed me to begin my search for the kingdom in Genesis.
Proverbs 1:2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding; 3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity; 4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. 5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: 6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. 7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. 8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother: 9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.
I am sorry to hear of your loss and am reminded of Moses, when he lost his wife and had to deal with her bones.
The puzzle you speak of is a great analogy of how we must move to do God's will so that we may be given his promises. You cannot simply lay each tile as you wish to complete the picture, you must move them according to the mechanics / rules that God has set in place.
If you are sincere and follow the milk as it was given then you will be given meat as he see's fit for you.
Seeing that your veil is being peeled away and you are gaining in the truth of God's word I would like for you to see if a thread that I started makes any sense to you at your stage of learning;
The creation of Eve
This thread should have more meaning to you from the female perspective than it would to a male since God has shown his special affinity to the meaning of what Eve represents to them.
I ask only in the hopes that I may find others who are near, have reached or passed where I have been taken and to follow God's words that we should assemble together;
Heb 10:25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is....
No pressure and no worry If you are not yet inclined to go there.
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we are told to judge by the fruit; it isn't a puzzle imo. The fruit of that doctrine is pretty clear i think
Lol. you may have a point. What would be the fruit of saying God is a trinity when in fact he has copyrighted his image as two individuals that work as one?
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God is a Name: the Name above all names; He has exalted above all things, His Name and His Word; baptizing in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
One Name, one God. If you do not worship the Lord Jesus Christ you are worshipping a false god.
Show me in the scriptures precisely where Yahweh, "I Am", stated his name is God.
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I think this is somewhat off topic...but I must say in all my years I had never heard that!!!
The "sex act" as you call it ,has everything to do with being a type of Christ and His Bride.
It's a first for me too. Why not ask them to prove their claim with scripture?I think this is somewhat off topic...but I must say in all my years I had never heard that!!!
The "sex act" as you call it ,has everything to do with being a type of Christ and His Bride.
It amazes me how many people don't understand what an analogy is. It is not a proof text, nor is it an exact duplicate. The human family is ANALGOUS to the Trinity because 3 entities are involved. Father, Son, Holy Spirit are One; husband, wife, and children are one flesh. Please quote the post in its entirety, I won't get into disussions over a few lines out of context.
a·nal·o·gy def. from google
noun
a·nal·o·gy def. from google
noun
- a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
"an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"- a correspondence or partial similarity.
"the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia" - a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.
"works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"
- a correspondence or partial similarity.
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“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Understanding analogy requires the use of abstract thought, which is often considered sinful by certain factions of the Christian Church. Accepting analogies - recognizing the similarities of a good analogy, requires a person to value agreement; Western Christianity is steeped in the hyper-dialectic, which views agreement as weakness.
Without question, one of the most important analogies God has given to us in His Word on the new restored relationship we now have with Him as a result of Jesus dying on the cross for all of us is the vine and branch analogy – where Jesus is the vine and we are the branches.
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ha i had to go look this term up, and after 10 minutes i still cannot find a definition per se.
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