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Ray Kurzweil and Dmitry Iskov from 2045.com wants to end death completely and wants humanity to live forever in a "avator" by 2045 and it's becoming a midstream now. This is not a joke and they are completely serious about this. I for one believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. But I can not bare to live inside an avator for eternity.

Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man no doubt about it, but I in fear transhumanism will become a reality by a quarter of a century from now, and I hope he's wrong about the singularity and transhumanism.

They even think they can one day transfer your soul and consisouness to an avator from the human body one day.

Also some people aim to bring back the dead. I strongly disagree with that. Do you think that's possible?

Technology is improving at an alarming rate and we will never know what they will be capable of in the future. Hopefully the second coming of Christ is coming to stop all this.

Would transhumanism defeat death, if so, you can still choose to die and go to heaven with Jesus right? I for one would hate to be forced to be in an avator one day. I would still choose to die even though they invent the technology for immortality.

Would that defeat the purpose of living for Christ and going to Heaven?

They already created a robot that looks exactly like a human.

Let me know if you guys think about all of this. When they invent the technology to live forever in avatars I will still choose to stay in by biological body and die and go the heaven.
 

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Ray Kurzweil and Dmitry Iskov from 2045.com wants to end death completely and wants humanity to live forever in a "avator" by 2045 and it's becoming a midstream now. This is not a joke and they are completely serious about this. I for one believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. But I can not bare to live inside an avator for eternity.

Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man no doubt about it, but I in fear transhumanism will become a reality by a quarter of a century from now, and I hope he's wrong about the singularity and transhumanism.

They even think they can one day transfer your soul and consisouness to an avator from the human body one day.

Also some people aim to bring back the dead. I strongly disagree with that. Do you think that's possible?

Technology is improving at an alarming rate and we will never know what they will be capable of in the future. Hopefully the second coming of Christ is coming to stop all this.

Would transhumanism defeat death, if so, you can still choose to die and go to heaven with Jesus right? I for one would hate to be forced to be in an avator one day. I would still choose to die even though they invent the technology for immortality.

Would that defeat the purpose of living for Christ and going to Heaven?

They already created a robot that looks exactly like a human.

Let me know if you guys think about all of this. When they invent the technology to live forever in avatars I will still choose to stay in by biological body and die and go the heaven.

It seems like this is something that should be moved to the "eschatology & prophecy" forum. As I look at this website, I see that its basically all about interfacing your brain with technology, or a computer. Consequently, this is what seems to occur in Revelation 13 with the mark of the beast. The world is coerced by economic means to receive a "mark" in their forehead. Mind you, I'm firmly convinced that most will want to take it because it will look very appealing. Why? Well its simple. Its because the world will want to become like "the beast", their savior. The "beast" will be the real selling point for this and nothing less than that, because Apollyon, the beast of the bottomless pit, being an angel, can and will easily convince the world that he is something more than human, or "transhuman" as Satan's advocates may say.

Evolution is a major tenet of transhumanism and you can see it on their website. And you better believe that the "beast" will convince these chumps as well as the whole world that he is the long sought after "missing link" of evolution, the apex of the evolutionary tree of life. At the moment, they are selling this under various guises such as a transference of our consciousness to a humanoid robot, but I don't think that's what the real mark of the beast will be at all when its all said and done. Considering that taking the mark will get you drop kicked into the Lake of Fire, it will likely be something much more serious. Instead transferring your consciousnesses, it will be them transferring something into you instead, an entity of some kind, like a demonic spirit.

Evolution Apollyon and the mark of the beast:

 
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Technology may be able to mimic the human mind and someone may eventually be able to map and replicate synaptic connections and neurotransmitter receptor densities, but how does one transfer a living spirit? Perhaps divine creatures without bodies would inhabit them. Sounds better than a herd of pigs. I wouldn't worry about it though as this earth will have been largely depopulated by then and the survivors will be living agrarian life styles.
 

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Technology may be able to mimic the human mind and someone may eventually be able to map and replicate synaptic connections and neurotransmitter receptor densities, but how does one transfer a living spirit? Perhaps divine creatures without bodies would inhabit them. Sounds better than a herd of pigs. I wouldn't worry about it though as this earth will have been largely depopulated by then and the survivors will be living agrarian life styles.

How does the second beast, the false prophet of revelation breathe life into the image of the beast? Is this not technically a transference? What "life" did he transfer into this "image"? Keep in mind its described in similar fashion to the creation of man with God breathing life into Adam. This should answer your question, knowing what happens soon after this one event. Its going to be all about how its sold to the public, not necessarily how its actually done. As of right now, we see that the explanation given will be very materialistic in nature, from the standpoint of "technology". The false prophet will have to provide some explanation for how he did it, and seeing how carnal, materialistic the world really is, its not hard to figure out what that explanation will be. If I was him, I would tell the world what they want to hear. The miracles and the lie's that will go with it will be the selling point, the apparent resurrection of the first beast being chief among those miracles.
 
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How does the second beast, the false prophet of revelation breathe life into the image of the beast? Is this not technically a transference? What "life" did he transfer into this "image"? Keep in mind its described in similar fashion to the creation of man with God breathing life into Adam. This should answer your question, knowing what happens soon after this one event. Its going to be all about how its sold to the public, not necessarily how its actually done. As of right now, we see that the explanation given will be very materialistic in nature, from the standpoint of "technology". The false prophet will have to provide some explanation for how he did it, and seeing how carnal, materialistic the world really is, its not hard to figure out what that explanation will be. If I was him, I would tell the world what they want to hear. The miracles and the lie's that will go with it will be the selling point, the apparent resurrection of the first beast being chief among those miracles.
I've considered this possibility and reconsidered it after the release of the movie "transcendance", but having a little neurophysiology under my belt I'm unconvinced that the technology for producing the level of complexity found in the brain exists yet (nanotech capable of mapping connections and neural template densities, and then reproducing them.)
 

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I've considered this possibility and reconsidered it after the release of the movie "transcendance", but having a little neurophysiology under my belt I'm unconvinced that the technology for producing the level of complexity found in the brain exists yet (nanotech capable of mapping connections and neural template densities, and then reproducing them.)

Actually, this is what I'm trying to explain. I don't believe that the mark will be what we think it will be at all. We can only speculate at this point for the most part. The most anybody can say about it is that its some kind of cursed object implanted inside of you. However, a materialistic/technological explanation of some kind will likely be given just to tell a story to the public, and I have a good idea of what part of that lie may be. I'm certain its going to sound a lot like the babbling's espoused from the new age movement, which is nothing more than eastern mysticism under another guise. I don't necessarily think its going to be about the brain interfacing with a computer per se, but with the supernatural, with a sort of materialist explanation given for it as the deception.
 

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I don't know for a certainty what the mark is, but I do know that it mimics God's law as given through Moses, which was to be worn as a frontlet, etc. This is an act of mockery and could even be a modified version of the law of Moses itself, or a reversal of what it imparts. What would be the opposite in content of the ten commandments or what would exalt self more than God. Woe to them who call good evil and evil good.
 

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I don't know for a certainty what the mark is, but I do know that it mimics God's law as given through Moses, which was to be worn as a frontlet, etc. This is an act of mockery and could even be a modified version of the law of Moses itself, or a reversal of what it imparts. What would be the opposite in content of the ten commandments? Woe to them who call good evil and evil good.

Well, you get tossed into the lake of fire if you take it, "saved" or not, so its going to do something significant to you that would forfeit your salvation, so a reversal of the law that Jesus fulfilled wouldn't be out of the question. For those believers who think they can test God and take the mark, you go right ahead and take it when the time comes, and put your money where your mouth is. We'll see if you still end up getting drop kicked into the lake of fire. I on the other hand will die first.
 

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Well, you get tossed into the lake of fire if you take it, "saved" or not, so its going to do something significant to you that would forfeit your salvation, so a reversal of the law that Jesus fulfilled wouldn't be out of the question. For those believers who think they can test God and take the mark, you go right ahead and take it when the time comes, and put your money where your mouth is. We'll see if you still end up getting drop kicked into the lake of fire. I on the other hand will die first.
"Saved" individuals are saved by virtue of what Christ does for them, not by what they do, so it is impossible for one who is saved by God to be tossed into the fire unless that should be part of their job. Furthermore the saved could live in the sun in their resurrected bodies and never feel a thing (read the account of Daniel's friends in the fiery furnace.) Consider who stands in God's presense. The seraphim are fiery serpents. You ever read fantastic 4 comics? Remember the "flaming torch" character, Johnny storm? We tend to think of heaven in worldly terms because the Earth is our domain, but our bodies were made for Earth, not heaven, or there would be no need for the sort of transformation described in 2nd thessalonians.
 

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"Saved" individuals are saved by virtue of what Christ does for them, not by what they do, so it is impossible for one who is saved by God to be tossed into the fire unless that should be part of their job. Furthermore the saved could live in the sun in their resurrected bodies and never feel a thing (read the account of Daniel's friends in the fiery furnace.) Consider who stands in God's presense. The seraphim are fiery serpents. You ever read fantastic 4 comics? Remember the "flaming torch" character, Johnny storm? We tend to think of heaven in worldly terms because the Earth is our domain, but our bodies were made for Earth, not heaven, or there would be no need for the sort of transformation described in 2nd thessalonians.

:rolleyes: We're not talking about fiery furnaces made by man and comic book characters, we're talking about the mark of the beast.

(Revelation 14:9-10) "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, {10} The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:"

(Revelation 15:2) "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."

(Revelation 16:2) "And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image."

(Revelation 20:4) "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

God isn't splitting hairs about who gets his foot up their anus for taking it, unless you can show the verses stating otherwise. Lets keep it on the subject at hand. This isn't about fictional characters and furnaces. And like I said, by all means, take the mark if you live to see the day come if you think you are exempt. While you are at it, test God even further and worship the image of the beast like the common Bible scoffing unbeliever will and see what happens pal. I want you to lick it, slobber all over it in fervent admiration, with all your heart, soul and mind. :)
 

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Sorry bro, I don't sweat the small stuff because I was created to make a stand (by myself) against princes. I have the support of brothers inside and outside the church, even some not yet born of the Spirit, but great loss was necessary to satisfy the requirements of the testimony I gave at my baptism and the Lord was faithful to allow it. My restoration has begun and my latter days will be blessed more than the former, though nothing will compare with shouting His name when He comes in victory. Amen.
You can live in fear if you want an early out, but I think I'll just keep looking for my friend and my Lord. He'll be here shortly.
 

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Ray Kurzweil and Dmitry Iskov from 2045.com wants to end death completely and wants humanity to live forever in a "avator" by 2045 and it's becoming a midstream now. This is not a joke and they are completely serious about this. I for one believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. But I can not bare to live inside an avator for eternity.

Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man no doubt about it, but I in fear transhumanism will become a reality by a quarter of a century from now, and I hope he's wrong about the singularity and transhumanism.

They even think they can one day transfer your soul and consisouness to an avator from the human body one day.

Also some people aim to bring back the dead. I strongly disagree with that. Do you think that's possible?

Technology is improving at an alarming rate and we will never know what they will be capable of in the future. Hopefully the second coming of Christ is coming to stop all this.

Would transhumanism defeat death, if so, you can still choose to die and go to heaven with Jesus right? I for one would hate to be forced to be in an avator one day. I would still choose to die even though they invent the technology for immortality.

Would that defeat the purpose of living for Christ and going to Heaven?

They already created a robot that looks exactly like a human.

Let me know if you guys think about all of this. When they invent the technology to live forever in avatars I will still choose to stay in by biological body and die and go the heaven.
They are not God. Not to worry, none of that is going to happen.
 

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Ray Kurzweil and Dmitry Iskov from 2045.com wants to end death completely and wants humanity to live forever in a "avator" by 2045 and it's becoming a midstream now. This is not a joke and they are completely serious about this. I for one believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. But I can not bare to live inside an avator for eternity.

Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man no doubt about it, but I in fear transhumanism will become a reality by a quarter of a century from now, and I hope he's wrong about the singularity and transhumanism.

They even think they can one day transfer your soul and consisouness to an avator from the human body one day.

Also some people aim to bring back the dead. I strongly disagree with that. Do you think that's possible?

Technology is improving at an alarming rate and we will never know what they will be capable of in the future. Hopefully the second coming of Christ is coming to stop all this.

Would transhumanism defeat death, if so, you can still choose to die and go to heaven with Jesus right? I for one would hate to be forced to be in an avator one day. I would still choose to die even though they invent the technology for immortality.

Would that defeat the purpose of living for Christ and going to Heaven?

They already created a robot that looks exactly like a human.

Let me know if you guys think about all of this. When they invent the technology to live forever in avatars I will still choose to stay in by biological body and die and go the heaven.

Ray Kurzwell and Dmitry Iskov sound like they're afraid to die.
 

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I've considered this possibility and reconsidered it after the release of the movie "transcendance", but having a little neurophysiology under my belt I'm unconvinced that the technology for producing the level of complexity found in the brain exists yet (nanotech capable of mapping connections and neural template densities, and then reproducing them.)

When you throw in a psychotic super cherub (Satan) into the mix, that technology may well be closer than many realize. When evil is allowed to run full steam ahead during the tribulation period, it would be very myopic to assume that a uniformitarianism model will still be the norm.

I have become convinced that DNA manipulation will most likely be the primary "mark of the beast" thing. When one considers that those who take the mark are no longer qualified for salvation, that is the picture that emerges. And people will line up willingly to get in on this. The promise of increasing life spans, resistance to many diseases, etc would be just the marketing tool to get folks on board.
 

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the only folks confusing the spiritual with the physical are the carnal. The only thing which renews the mind, which makes our thoughts spiritual rather than carnal, is the word of God and time. There's no getting around time when it comes to mature thought.