The spirit of Elijah

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I was wondering if someone could help me better understand these versesMalachi4:5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:Luke 1:17And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous–to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” They don't seem to be the same to me. What does it mean to go in the spirit and power of Elijah?
 

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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I understand that John fulfilled Malachi4:5, What I should of asked is how does John fulfill this prophesy? What does it mean the spirit of Elijah was on John or how is the John with Elijah's spirit the same as sending the prophet ElijahHope I am making sense
 
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I HAVE one suggestion and before anyone try and rebuke what I say. Please visit this Website Branham.org, and click on our Testimony. John The Baptist fulfilled a portion of Malachi 4, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.Remember if you Go back to Chapter 11, He already said in Verse 14And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.Now moving on up to Chapter 17, AFTER HE SAID ELIAS IS JOHN WHO WAS TO COME This is what he says later11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.Why is Yeshua telling them that Elias Shall First Come(Future Tense), when Yochanan(John the Baptist) already came and fulfilled Malachi 4? He was saying Elijah would came again Before the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord. Then we read in Revelation Moses and Elijah being Commissioned to Convert the 144,000 thousand Israelites now 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.But then if Elijah is to cater to 12 Tribes Only, who was the One to proceed John The Baptist as the Elias that SHALL TRULY restore all things. I believe it was in a Man NAMED William Marrion Branham. The Sad thing about it is that alot of people will say he is not because of the Branhamites, those who follow him and make him Son of God incarnate. Well just take a peek at Branham.org, and Before you REJECT IT quickly, Pray on it without Quick Rebuke, but be patient. He will have the commoner straw picker(TAKING WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT AND USING IT AGAINST HIM). One of the most common is a man name Cohen Reckart. The Best Website I can suggest that you go to in conjunction with Branham.org is Propheticrevelation.COMGod Bless you Brother HaShem Y'hua HaMashiach(In the Name of JESUS CHRIST)
 

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The great and dreadful day of the Lord has not come yet, as Unorthodox said, John the Baptist was a type and he was not the fulfillment of Malachi 4.Malachi 4:5
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
As John the Baptist said:John 1:21
And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
 

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This verse is not fulfilled John was the first he hearlded the first coming Elijah will hearld the second coming (there is nothing new under the sun everthing that has happened before will happen again John was the first, a type, of the Elijah to comethis is about the future most likley one of the two wittness. read carefilly John was not Elijah he came in the spirit of Elijah Malachi 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:"This is one of the last promises that God gave in the Old Testament. God promised that "Elijah the prophet" would return before the coming of the Lord. Why is this important? Because Elijah teaches the Word of the Lord, and not the traditions of men. When he does come to earth prior to the "day of the Lord", I don't think the world, including those calling themselves Christians, will be listening to him. For Elijah will be attacking their customs, traditions, and their way of life, and calling their sins, "sin". To most of the Church World, any attacks on their Satanic doctrines, which they have adopted, and been taught, brands one an outsider. When Elijah the prophet returns, he will be condemning.Elijah will prepare the way for the Messiah's return. We saw in Malachi 3:1, and Matthew 3:3, where John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah, to prepare the way for Jesus Christ at the first advent. Elijah will prepare the way for Jesus Christ's second return.Malachi 4:6 "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."There are two fathers; one is our Heavenly Father, and the other is the fake father. You can call the fake father the Antichrist, Satan, Lucifer, the dragon, serpent; however, no matter what you call this fake father, he is the great deceiver. He will set up his kingdom on earth, with the authority [keys] given him by God Himself
 

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While I was preparing my reply I noticed that others have posted great responses. Denver has made a powerful point. My response is:Malachi 4:5-6 “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”We should remember that Elias is not only an individual, but is also a title that can be applied to more than one person.Malachi speaks specifically of “Elijah the prophet”. A very specific individual. Elijah as we all know was taken up into heaven without tasting of death. The scripture is also very clear that this sending of Elijah will be prior to the “great and dreadful day of the LORD”.His very purpose of being sent was as stated: “And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers”. Elijah’s mission was of such great importance that unless this was accomplished, God would smite the earth with a curse.John the Baptist hardly meets the criteria of fulfilling the prophesy in Malachi.Wherein did John the Baptist turn the hearts of the children to their fathers? Wherein did John the Baptist turn the heart of the fathers to their children?Wherein did John the Baptist “restore all things”?If he had died in his infancy, how could the earth be justly smitten with a curse?We should so note in Matthew 17:11 “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.” These words were spoken after the event of Christ’s transfiguration on the mount which event as I recall is well after the beheading of John the Baptist. While John, in the capacity as an Elias performed a simple but essential ordinance of baptism and preached repentance and fulfilled his preparatory mission as the forerunner of Christ’s first humble coming. John was not Elijah the prophet who was yet to come before “the great and dreadful day of the LORD”. Elijah was to perform a specific mission as recorded. The Elias spoken of by Christ in Matt. 17:11 was to “restore all things”. My question is how could Elias “restore all things” unless they were taken or lost in the first place?
 

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The Spirit(Pneuma) and Power(Dunamis)-The power here could it be the ability to preform miracles?
 

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Thank you for your responses ,but I am still confused.Mat 1711And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. verse 12, Jesus is saying he has already come, then the disciples knew he was talking about JohnThere has to be more to this, Jesus calls John the greatest man born of women. That would be greater then Moses and Elijah and Abraham and David and anyone else we can think of.I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.Mat 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
 

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I think what is confusing you John is these two verses in Mat. are two differnt thoughtverse 12 is talking about something differnt it is saying had Christ been received there would have been no second advent to comeMatthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.""Elias", which is to "Elijah" will come and "restore all things"; that is to say the truth of God's Word, before Jesus Christ shall come and mark the end of this earth age. This will happen just before the great day of the Lord.What throws most people is this next verse. There is a separation between the thought of verse eleven and verse twelve. Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them."When Elias came back the first time no one know him. Remember back in Matthew 11:14-15 where Jesus said; "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. [14] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." [15] What Jesus is saying is that had the people received Him the first time, then John the Baptist would have been Elias, and there would be no Second Advent. However, John the Baptist was not received, and Jesus Christ was not accepted as the Messiah, in fact, even Christ's disciples did not relate the miracles as coming from the Messiah until later on in the ministry. Had they been aware, they would have known the prophecies, and known that it was the purpose for Jesus Christ coming as a baby. Therefore John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah. Luke 1:17; "And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." Today there are some ministries that are in the spirit of Elijah, they teach the true Word of God, and turning the hearts of many back to our Heavenly Father. While on the other hand, turning the hearts of the false shepherds, and disobedient to the Word, back to the other father, Satan. thats why fathers is plural here in the end everyone will chose which father they follow the Antichrist or the true christ
 

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First, I'd like to point out that in Hebrew and Aramaic, whenever prophesies were given and/or were referenced, they would always speak in either a future tense, or they would speak in no tense at all. Jesus repeated the prophesy, and thus it is found in future tense. There is really nothing strange about this at all {keep in mind he was speaking Aramaic}.If you are asking whether Elijah was reincarnated as John the Baptist, as some suggest, then the answer is no. John came in the Spirit and Power of Elijah. This means he came not only with the authority of Elijah {Power}, but with the same ministry and goals as Elijah {spirit}.I would generally elaborate, but it seems that everything else has already been covered throughout the Thread. John said he wasn't Elijah clearly; John 1:21So he is not reincarnated, if you will.In Hope,~Tyrel
 

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First, I'd like to point out that in Hebrew and Aramaic, whenever prophesies were given and/or were referenced, they would always speak in either a future tense, or they would speak in no tense at all. Jesus repeated the prophesy, and thus it is found in future tense. There is really nothing strange about this at all {keep in mind he was speaking Aramaic}.If you are asking whether Elijah was reincarnated as John the Baptist, as some suggest, then the answer is no. John came in the Spirit and Power of Elijah. This means he came not only with the authority of Elijah {Power}, but with the same ministry and goals as Elijah {spirit}.I would generally elaborate, but it seems that everything else has already been covered throughout the Thread. John said he wasn't Elijah clearly; John 1:21So he is not reincarnated, if you will.In Hope,~Tyrel
Just to remind everyone... There is no chance that a person like Elijah or anybody on Earth can reincarted into another flesh body. It is a lie of the Devil.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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First, I'd like to point out that in Hebrew and Aramaic, whenever prophesies were given and/or were referenced, they would always speak in either a future tense, or they would speak in no tense at all. Jesus repeated the prophesy, and thus it is found in future tense. There is really nothing strange about this at all {keep in mind he was speaking Aramaic}.If you are asking whether Elijah was reincarnated as John the Baptist, as some suggest, then the answer is no. John came in the Spirit and Power of Elijah. This means he came not only with the authority of Elijah {Power}, but with the same ministry and goals as Elijah {spirit}.I would generally elaborate, but it seems that everything else has already been covered throughout the Thread. John said he wasn't Elijah clearly; John 1:21So he is not reincarnated, if you will.In Hope,~Tyrel
I would have to agree with Tyrel pertaining to John 1:21. I tried to clarify the difference between Elijah and Elias in my original post on this thread. It appears that there is a propensity to confuse Elijah the prophet and Elias.The prophecy in Malachi clearly identifies he who was to come was none other than "Elijah the Prophet".This prophesied future mission of Elijah did not involve reincarnation.It did not necessarily require that he be resurrected at that yet future appearance.We must never forget that Elijah was one of those who had not yet "tasted of death" and was taken up into heaven as a "translated being". This being the case, he could certainly come back as prophesied to perform his specifically stated mission. :amen:
 

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According to strongs concordance John 1:21 is ElijahElijah = "my God is Jehovah"1) a prophet born at Thisbe, the unflinching champion of the theocracy in the reigns of the idolatrous kings Ahab and Ahaziah. He was taken up to heaven without dying, whence the Jews expected he would return just before the advent of the Messiah, whom he would prepare the minds of the Israelites to receive.
 

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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I understand that John fulfilled Malachi4:5, What I should of asked is how does John fulfill this prophesy? What does it mean the spirit of Elijah was on John or how is the John with Elijah's spirit the same as sending the prophet ElijahHope I am making sense
"The fathers" (Abraham, Isaac & Jacob) had personal calling from God, Abraham was the friend of God, the others were personally used and blessed by God.God wanted to personally deal with the children of Israel, they were to expect that!That's why John came baptising - to show a break with the past . .. Israel had become estranged from God, God was going to rectify that for those that were ready.