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pia

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what, like, verbally? with your mouth?

one cannot accept Christ with their mouths imo
You receive Him through what we call The Heart, where our ability to 'meet' Him lies, or simply through calling Him ( as long as the person truly believes in Him ).....The reason people speak it out loud, is as a testimony to others, as well as if you notice, when you have to remember, say a phone number, it pays to say it out loud a couple of times, we seem to remember things better when we have spoken and heard the words in our own ears.
 

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ya, nobody likes to contemplate that they were being selfish in a matter, and that they owe someone an apology. Much easier to claim that Jesus paid for all of our sins, so now we get a pass i guess.
Sorry 'bbyrd' I thought I posted a reply to you here, but must have clicked on something wrong, you should get a notice though as I use the reply button......... :)
 

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That is just fine with me. Be a sheep if it pleases you.

As for me I am a child of God and a joint heir with Jesus. A child of God is not a sheep

Rom 8:16-17
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs — heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
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Romans 8 says we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Romans 8:36 KJV
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Richard, the very chapter which you use to say that children of God aren't sheep never says that and in fact says just the opposite.
 
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This passage is a perfect example of what's taking place in this thread.

2 Corinthians 11
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!



A different Jesus is being preached. A Jesus that no longer sees us as a part of His flock.

A different gospel is being preached. A so called "hidden gospel". One that neglects the teachings of Christ.


People need to take heed.


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Mary is the Theotokos - she was the Ark that carried our salvation
 

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Where did you come up with this garbage. Since you do not see that the written word is inspired by God the Holy Spirit I will not reply to you any longer. This is getting silly.
but i did not say that the written word is not inspired by God; i just recognize...well, what the Bible tells me, that scribes can change "the Bible" to make Passover into Easter, and etc. Or even more subtle, "rebound" into "repentance," stuff like that.

And even in the case of the original, which is the one that is God~Breathed, and useful for instruction, etc, the events did not happen in "now," where Word happens, so there is a "remove" from today.

You have been taught that Book is Word by wolves who do not know what Word is, and if you will just look for yourself you will see that the Book does not, anywhere, claim to be Word, even though this concept is (also) hidden, and requires seeking. The point is to find Word, not to discount Scripture. The Bible will not be lost in this endeavor, which is i guess what most people fear; It will actually become much more accessible.

And hey, if you can prove to your own satisfaction that the Book is the Word, then no one can make you change your mind, can they?
You might start with this:

"In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God..."

but i guess you'll end up there in Chronicles, notice the change from "Word" to "words." peace.
 

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Are you having fun at my expense.
no, i am doing what i can to point out that saying you believe in Jesus, with all your heart and no take-backs, is not going to get you saved.

How you believe that "the religious" resist this position, when it is the quintessential religious position, i don't get, but regardless.
 

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The work that we are to do is to help in getting others to place their faith in Jesus' work on the cross.
ya, that's what we need is more Christian Patriots overthrowing democratically elected governments lol. The very worst kind of faith imo. Codependent yack.
That is the fruit we are to help create.
goody, more wannabe "pastors" who sign Contracts for Jesus and preach the party line, with the best of intentions of course. More codependence, that encourages the "us and them" mentality. Now anyone who does not talk about Jesus in the approved party manner is "silly."
But I know you will come up with the idea that since the book of James is in the Bible it is written to those under grace too. Okay see it your way. That is not my problem.
you posit God as a respecter of persons with this "James is for Jews" stuff imo. If you want to believe that the Book of James is not written to you, then go ahead. Plenty of other evidence that Christians must have works anyway, what about all those passages?

And of course you are "saved" right, so the lesson of Cain (me) and Esau (also me), you can just skim over those from day one, too, right...how much of the Bible is even left, after all this abridging? See that whoever brought you to Scripture signed a 501c3 before they ever preached their first sermon, H, and consider, ok.

"Silly" is a poor justification for such an important concept imo--if the Book is the Word, shouldn't that be abundantly clear in the Book? One quote should clear this up imo.
 

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Being in His presence brings about a joy and peace, which negates any and all negatives coming at you.
i understand why you say this, but being in His Presence, or i would put it "manifesting Christ" or doing God's will, or picking up your cross and following, are usually quite disruptive and even life-threatening events. Of course many of the things one might do are small and relatively insignificant; but these are the very things that end up growing, and ticking someone in the world off, as one is usually impinging upon someone else's profit margin at some point i guess.
 

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Great Stuff, thank you so much for that. I do have so much trouble finding things in the Bible....Words come to mind, but where to find them, that's another matter. Powerful stuff ! Well seems to me there is something there....
google seems to be a better search engine than most online Bible ones, if you can remember a key phrase, or even the general intent of a passage, followed by "Bible."
 
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unto those we try to share Jesus with
i would suggest that you share Christ for a year without proselytizing, or talking about your religious beliefs at all. Not a word. It is a revealing exercise. I get these funny looks a lot, even people asking me if i am "religious or something" lol.
 

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You receive Him through what we call The Heart, where our ability to 'meet' Him lies, or simply through calling Him ( as long as the person truly believes in Him ).....The reason people speak it out loud, is as a testimony to others, as well as if you notice, when you have to remember, say a phone number, it pays to say it out loud a couple of times, we seem to remember things better when we have spoken and heard the words in our own ears.
oh, don't get me wrong, there is a place for public profession among peers.

"where our ability to 'meet' Him lies" is a good perspective imo; hence why it is that we meet Him "in the air" so to speak.
 
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yes, they do. Whenever you are serving someone in need without hope of gain, you are manifesting Christ imo


well that's just it its your opinion not the truth of the matter is it? and don't fool yourself its always in hope of gain in what one values in the case you mention. Jesus did out of compassion for those He loved a gain a value and to Glorify the Father a gain a value. in the sense of a gain, in what is valued.

it just a matter of what is valued.
 

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well that's just it its your opinion not the truth of the matter is it?
it could be put other ways, sure. But "service" will be the primary concept i think
and don't fool yourself its always in hope of gain in what one values in the case you mention. Jesus did out of compassion for those He loved a gain a value and to Glorify the Father a gain a value. in the sense of a gain, in what is valued.

it just a matter of what is valued.
i think it is pretty clear i meant selfish, personal gain, isn't it?
 

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it could be put other ways, sure. But "service" will be the primary concept i think

i think it is pretty clear i meant selfish, personal gain, isn't it?

no, what you made clear is you don't really know what you're talking about, hence I had to make it clear. "in your pinion" or view, isn't the view of the rest of the thinking world nor is it the view in the Kingdom of God. if you mean some thing then say so, but your opinion, or views aren't a given, in the world of reality.
 

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i understand why you say this, but being in His Presence, or i would put it "manifesting Christ" or doing God's will, or picking up your cross and following, are usually quite disruptive and even life-threatening events. Of course many of the things one might do are small and relatively insignificant; but these are the very things that end up growing, and ticking someone in the world off, as one is usually impinging upon someone else's profit margin at some point i guess.
What ????? I don't get it, sorry... I can't manifest Christ, He manifests as He wills, and surely we of all people cannot be concerned with what the world ( all the people in it ) will do or not. I can't quote chapter and verse but i do know it says :" Be not careful even for your life.......(more but perhaps not relevant ), trust in Him and when the time comes to leave, you've got it made....:)
 

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i would suggest that you share Christ for a year without proselytizing, or talking about your religious beliefs at all. Not a word. It is a revealing exercise. I get these funny looks a lot, even people asking me if i am "religious or something" lol.
I thankfully didn't start with any religious beliefs, thank God, because that has GOT to be harder than for someone like me who didn't know anything...I don't proselytize, if I SAY anything at all, it's to share my own testimony and even then only when lead or where I see an honest opening. Hasn't failed me yet, but imho it does require face to face time. We don't HAVE to speak, if we choose to help someone, just help them, be grateful that you can help, and go onward. But most important :" Have ears to hear what The spirit is saying to The church.". We can't pass on the truth until we ourselves KNOW it, and there is a big difference between knowing something about something, and actually KNOWING it, would you agree with that ?
 
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