Will the US survive bible prophacy??
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Babylon was also a name used for Rome which sits on seven hills.There are two nations mentioned in the word which refer to China and Russia.Also Gog and Magog are in Daniel etc.Who do you think Gog and Magog are?Just trying to swing things around to another point.Faithful.
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Whirlwind:Yes, I see Ezekiel 38 as possible an attack against America. I take both the traditional approach to this interpretation and the "lost tribe" one as well. I think there will be people of Israel in the land of Israel feeling secure under Antichrist's initial peace efforts (elaborated in the book of Daniel and Revelation) when in the mid Tribulation he turns particularly nasty and sets up that abomination thing. Then let those in Judea flee to the wilderness ,etc, etc for a time, times and half a time, etc. You remember Jesus saying that. And then all heck breaks loose, wars, and so forth and culminates to a head when Christ comes back.Meanwhile, people here in America will be subject to the same invasions, captivity, plundering, and so forth. Russia is North of both Israel and the United States.Some think that all Israel will be regathered in the end times when this goes on, and although I believe there is a man-inspired return to the land of Israel then, not all will return based on scripture that talks about the Lord Himself gathering all the tribes.The apocrypha mentions this, and this is what Jesus meant when he'd gather his elect from the 4 winds of the earth (his elect of race). Jesus is saying the same thing Isaiah stated as well regarding Israel.I take a more simplistic approach to Revelation. I believe it is written in chronological order, and follows Jesus' outline of the endtimes in Matthew 24 and 25 very nicely.
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I dont know that we will survive as we are now I doubt it. But the U.S. and Israel are already the most hated countries in the World So the prophecy is half completed you will hated by all nationsI think we may have to cease being a super power So the other countries feel like they can surround Israel Now how that happens I don't know we could have an economy collapse or a major natural disaster, a terrorist attack it could be anything but I have suspicion that it is the US that may be the cause of the deadly wound that happens to the new World order. Imagine if our econmy collapes we could not afford to buy all the imported goods or support every nation in the World we give Billions of dollars to countries all around the World if we could not afford to do that it would quickly cause major problems all around the World. We would not be able to buy oil or afford a war in Iraq if this econmy collapedIf we had a 9/11 type attack at the same time it would cripple the U.S. So it could be at that time that others might think they could attack IsraelSome including myself think scripture may illude to a chance at some point that Russia may even try to attack the U.S. through Alaska if this happened at the same time Israel was being attacked we would be busy defending our own border Most all this is just speculation on my part
We don't seem to be able to defend our southern border against Mexico ( I apoligize to our hero's of the Alamo) how do you think we could defend are self against Russia and 98% of the Middle Eastern countries at the same time?
I dont know that we will survive as we are now I doubt it. But the U.S. and Israel are already the most hated countries in the World So the prophecy is half completed you will hated by all nationsI think we may have to cease being a super power So the other countries feel like they can surround Israel Now how that happens I don't know we could have an economy collapse or a major natural disaster, a terrorist attack it could be anything but I have suspicion that it is the US that may be the cause of the deadly wound that happens to the new World order. Imagine if our econmy collapes we could not afford to buy all the imported goods or support every nation in the World we give Billions of dollars to countries all around the World if we could not afford to do that it would quickly cause major problems all around the World. We would not be able to buy oil or afford a war in Iraq if this econmy collapedIf we had a 9/11 type attack at the same time it would cripple the U.S. So it could be at that time that others might think they could attack IsraelSome including myself think scripture may illude to a chance at some point that Russia may even try to attack the U.S. through Alaska if this happened at the same time Israel was being attacked we would be busy defending our own border Most all this is just speculation on my part
We don't seem to be able to defend our southern border against Mexico ( I apoligize to our hero's of the Alamo) how do you think we could defend are self against Russia and 98% of the Middle Eastern countries at the same time?
Amen, The american led new world order is Babylon the Great. That great city, is NYC.And the AC will rule from the UN there until he invades Israel.Scripture says that God will make a full end of all the nations who come against Israel, but I will not make a full end of you (Israel).So the US of Babylon is doomed and already suffering under God's wrath and judgment.Did you see today's news about the tornadoes in the south?When ever the US govt does something to deceive Israel into giving up land for peace, these judgments fall. Check out Bill Koenigs book, "eye to eye, facing the consequenses of dividing Israel" for a good history of this.Katrina as retribution for the Gaza expulsions etc.
Hey 1 of 3 martyrs- you might find this interesting....New York is starting to take eurosNEW YORK (Reuters) - In the latest example that the U.S. dollar just ain't what it used to be, some shops in New York City have begun accepting euros and other foreign currency as payment for merchandise. "We had decided that money is money and we'll take it and just do the exchange whenever we can with our bank," Robert Chu, owner of East Village Wines, told Reuters television.The increasingly weak U.S. dollar, once considered the king among currencies, has brought waves of European tourists to New York with money to burn and looking to take advantage of hugely favorable exchange rates."We didn't realize we would take so much in and there were that many people traveling or having euros to bring in. But some days, you'd be surprised at how many euros you get," Chu said."Now we have to get familiar with other currencies and the (British) pound and the Canadian dollars we take," he said.While shops in many U.S. towns on the Canadian border have long accepted Canadian currency and some stores on the Texas-Mexico border take pesos, the acceptance of foreign money in Manhattan was unheard of until recently.Not far from Chu's downtown wine emporium, Billy Leroy of Billy's Antiques & Props said the vast numbers of Europeans shopping in the neighborhood got him thinking, "My God, I should take euros in at the store."Leroy doesn't even bother to exchange them."I'm happy if I take in 200 euros, because what I do is keep them," he said. "So when I go back to Paris, I don't have to go through the nightmare of going to an exchange place
LGF, Yeah, eventually we will have the north american union's "Amero" for currency.I think this is why the nwo is intentionally working to devalue the dollar. and so weaken the US to take the yoke of the NAU (north american union) the next of the 10 toes of the AC's kingdom.
If you know anything about NYC it boasts a neighborhood representing every tribe, nation, and tongue of the world. It is the regathering of what God divided in ancient Babylon. This is why I say that NYC is the capitol city of Babylon the Great.The AC will come to power in the UN, in NYC. Soon I'll be sharing the name of the man of sin on this site. (I know his name, revealed to me in aug 05) He is an american.
I will tell u as God has shown me, u can do with it as u wish. First off America has been taken over by our enemies and we r now being used as Russia was used at one time. When Israel went against God in the old testament God would allow their enemies to rule them for years. America is as much God's country as Israel is, they r the only 2 countris that have come about as a direct intervention of God. Why would anyone believe that God would not do this to us. He punishes His children as any loving father would.If u want to understand more I would suggest as a start, read (The Creature From Jeckel Island by G. Edward Griffin). Web sites infowars.com, prisonplanet.com, truthnews.us, calltodecision.com. When our leaders talk of God they do not mean the God of the bible. Bush on the Larry KING show was asked (Is Jesus the only way to heaven, his answer There r many ways to the same place.)Billy Graham on Larry King was asked the same question, his answer ( I do not know).Go to google video or youtube video and watch alex jones videos. A couple of videos I highly recommend; America's Secret beginnings vol. 1 The New Atlantis & Riddles In Stone by antiquities research. In these videos u will learn what those that rule the world and America believe, they r pagan. America will go into a police state, training for this is going on everywhere. Our troops and foreign troops will rule our streets. They will have no problem killing u. Our troops r being trained in Iraq right now. They r being trained to kill any and everyone. check out some of the blogs the returning troops r posting they have problems because they were ordered to kill kids etc. The bill odf rights and the constitution will be suspended, we will go into marshall law where the gov. & military will rule eveything. I believe God will give us back our country but only after we have repented of our sins. 2 Chronicles 7:14 (If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land). I also believe if America goes back into their sin God will next punish America with nuclear bombs.
Well I dont know about all the sites,books you mention or if the quotes are true but I sure to believe your conclusions are correct
verzanumi24
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Zec 12 says Isreal will be alone, but is America part of Isreal or not? If all countries will abandon Isreal wont the US. Even though we are a corrupt country we still have a lot of believers, unlike Sodom and Gomorra. I know we are a target now because we support Isreal, but according to Zec 12 that wont always be the case.
First thing, America is not the only country that has Christians living in it. There are Christians living all over the world, even in undemocratic ones, such as China for example. America will fall not because it supports Israel or don’t, but because of its own sins. God is able to protect His people even while they are living among the wicked.From what I have learnt America is one of the lost 12 Tribes of Israel, and scripture tells us that the Great Tribulation will be a time of Jacob’s trouble. In others words, America/Americans will suffer in the Great Tribulation. America/Americans will fall as a nation and become slaves of the Beast power or the one world government, and even now we can see a glimpse of its falling. The sliding dollar cost of living skyrocketing, the housing and credit problem, just to name a few things; we are now in a recession and the threat of a depression is very likely.
Zec 12 says Isreal will be alone, but is America part of Isreal or not? If all countries will abandon Isreal wont the US. Even though we are a corrupt country we still have a lot of believers, unlike Sodom and Gomorra. I know we are a target now because we support Isreal, but according to Zec 12 that wont always be the case.
First thing, America is not the only country that has Christians living in it. There are Christians living all over the world, even in undemocratic ones, such as China for example. America will fall not because it supports Israel or don’t, but because of its own sins. God is able to protect His people even while they are living among the wicked.From what I have learnt America is one of the lost 12 Tribes of Israel, and scripture tells us that the Great Tribulation will be a time of Jacob’s trouble. In others words, America/Americans will suffer in the Great Tribulation. America/Americans will fall as a nation and become slaves of the Beast power or the one world government, and even now we can see a glimpse of its falling. The sliding dollar cost of living skyrocketing, the housing and credit problem, just to name a few things; we are now in a recession and the threat of a depression is very likely.
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First thing, America is not the only country that has Christians living in it. There are Christians living all over the world, even in undemocratic ones, such as China for example. America will fall not because it supports Israel or don’t, but because of its own sins. God is able to protect His people even while they are living among the wicked.From what I have learnt America is one of the lost 12 Tribes of Israel, and scripture tells us that the Great Tribulation will be a time of Jacob’s trouble. In others words, America/Americans will suffer in the Great Tribulation. America/Americans will fall as a nation and become slaves of the Beast power or the one world government, and even now we can see a glimpse of its falling. The sliding dollar cost of living skyrocketing, the housing and credit problem, just to name a few things; we are now in a recession and the threat of a depression is very likely.
http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/...ation_camps.htmhttp://www.coppercards.com/if i had more correct english i could till you more with out offending kriss.check out these sites abve..in 1998 i learned of these things and more..there is a welder in our area that was in texas and said there was1000s of box cars all shakled up.a welder from alberta also worked on them...when god told me to study the spider as in proverbs 30:25 god brought me so many people from gouverment offices it was unreal.i could not believe the amount of people i was meeting tilling me secrets from kings palaces..we are quickly heading to this dismay and the people in power do not care what we know ,cause we can not do anything about it,we are to confussed to make a stand and do not have the guts if we did .and on and on..so keep your faith, my friends in china did even tho they was locked up for ten twenty years..god loved them the same as he loves you..if you do not hear the voice that says prepare fine don,t..but if you do then prepare for there will be a time when you can not get your goods there will be a time when you are in the field and can not go back and get your coat..fine then i am only tilling some of you that are supose to hear...
First thing, America is not the only country that has Christians living in it. There are Christians living all over the world, even in undemocratic ones, such as China for example. America will fall not because it supports Israel or don’t, but because of its own sins. God is able to protect His people even while they are living among the wicked.From what I have learnt America is one of the lost 12 Tribes of Israel, and scripture tells us that the Great Tribulation will be a time of Jacob’s trouble. In others words, America/Americans will suffer in the Great Tribulation. America/Americans will fall as a nation and become slaves of the Beast power or the one world government, and even now we can see a glimpse of its falling. The sliding dollar cost of living skyrocketing, the housing and credit problem, just to name a few things; we are now in a recession and the threat of a depression is very likely.
http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/...ation_camps.htmhttp://www.coppercards.com/if i had more correct english i could till you more with out offending kriss.check out these sites abve..in 1998 i learned of these things and more..there is a welder in our area that was in texas and said there was1000s of box cars all shakled up.a welder from alberta also worked on them...when god told me to study the spider as in proverbs 30:25 god brought me so many people from gouverment offices it was unreal.i could not believe the amount of people i was meeting tilling me secrets from kings palaces..we are quickly heading to this dismay and the people in power do not care what we know ,cause we can not do anything about it,we are to confussed to make a stand and do not have the guts if we did .and on and on..so keep your faith, my friends in china did even tho they was locked up for ten twenty years..god loved them the same as he loves you..if you do not hear the voice that says prepare fine don,t..but if you do then prepare for there will be a time when you can not get your goods there will be a time when you are in the field and can not go back and get your coat..fine then i am only tilling some of you that are supose to hear...
Bullfighter you can post all you want as long as its not about a day of worship when that is not the topic of discussionIve only asked you try to stay on topic and not post only about Sabath Day under every subject I do not know what is so difficult about that. You seem to have done ok above.
verzanumi24
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http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/...ation_camps.htmhttp://www.coppercards.com/if i had more correct english i could till you more with out offending kriss.check out these sites abve..in 1998 i learned of these things and more..there is a welder in our area that was in texas and said there was1000s of box cars all shakled up.a welder from alberta also worked on them...when god told me to study the spider as in proverbs 30:25 god brought me so many people from gouverment offices it was unreal.i could not believe the amount of people i was meeting tilling me secrets from kings palaces..we are quickly heading to this dismay and the people in power do not care what we know ,cause we can not do anything about it,we are to confussed to make a stand and do not have the guts if we did .and on and on..so keep your faith, my friends in china did even tho they was locked up for ten twenty years..god loved them the same as he loves you..if you do not hear the voice that says prepare fine don,t..but if you do then prepare for there will be a time when you can not get your goods there will be a time when you are in the field and can not go back and get your coat..fine then i am only tilling some of you that are supose to hear...
I have not read completely what's on those sites, but I am fully aware of what you’re talking about. What I've often say is Americans are going to experience the hell that it's government have done in other Country.....the American government will do it to its own citizens.
http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/...ation_camps.htmhttp://www.coppercards.com/if i had more correct english i could till you more with out offending kriss.check out these sites abve..in 1998 i learned of these things and more..there is a welder in our area that was in texas and said there was1000s of box cars all shakled up.a welder from alberta also worked on them...when god told me to study the spider as in proverbs 30:25 god brought me so many people from gouverment offices it was unreal.i could not believe the amount of people i was meeting tilling me secrets from kings palaces..we are quickly heading to this dismay and the people in power do not care what we know ,cause we can not do anything about it,we are to confussed to make a stand and do not have the guts if we did .and on and on..so keep your faith, my friends in china did even tho they was locked up for ten twenty years..god loved them the same as he loves you..if you do not hear the voice that says prepare fine don,t..but if you do then prepare for there will be a time when you can not get your goods there will be a time when you are in the field and can not go back and get your coat..fine then i am only tilling some of you that are supose to hear...
I have not read completely what's on those sites, but I am fully aware of what you’re talking about. What I've often say is Americans are going to experience the hell that it's government have done in other Country.....the American government will do it to its own citizens.
(verzanumi24;53996)
I have not read completely what's on those sites, but I am fully aware of what you’re talking about. What I've often say is Americans are going to experience the hell that it's government have done in other Country.....the American government will do it to its own citizens.
but some are dening it ,or its to much to handle so they block it out ,or they are haveing such a good time parting and living in addiction they are blind....and you are right the powers eat there own..i fear that is human condition and most people put into them powers would do the same ,as satan is controler of some big powers and only threw gods holy spirit and christ and gods grace are we able to have victory ,,,die fast would be easy but the long pain and watching tho s you love die or suffer may be more difficult........what gets me is the needlessness of it..[i guess but if its gods way to show us the freedom of will and the reason that satan has to be done away with ...well i will trust god on this one]we are in for aride soon and paving the way to the mark gets me..its kinda like if i put the mark in front of the kids with icecream on it and took all the food away and they ate it ,they in big trouble with god ,but what about me that put it there or helped in ways that i never new ..this one i do not fully understand...
I have not read completely what's on those sites, but I am fully aware of what you’re talking about. What I've often say is Americans are going to experience the hell that it's government have done in other Country.....the American government will do it to its own citizens.
but some are dening it ,or its to much to handle so they block it out ,or they are haveing such a good time parting and living in addiction they are blind....and you are right the powers eat there own..i fear that is human condition and most people put into them powers would do the same ,as satan is controler of some big powers and only threw gods holy spirit and christ and gods grace are we able to have victory ,,,die fast would be easy but the long pain and watching tho s you love die or suffer may be more difficult........what gets me is the needlessness of it..[i guess but if its gods way to show us the freedom of will and the reason that satan has to be done away with ...well i will trust god on this one]we are in for aride soon and paving the way to the mark gets me..its kinda like if i put the mark in front of the kids with icecream on it and took all the food away and they ate it ,they in big trouble with god ,but what about me that put it there or helped in ways that i never new ..this one i do not fully understand...
verzanumi24
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but some are dening it ,or its to much to handle so they block it out ,or they are haveing such a good time parting and living in addiction they are blind....and you are right the powers eat there own..i fear that is human condition and most people put into them powers would do the same ,as satan is controler of some big powers and only threw gods holy spirit and christ and gods grace are we able to have victory ,,,die fast would be easy but the long pain and watching tho s you love die or suffer may be more difficult........what gets me is the needlessness of it..[i guess but if its gods way to show us the freedom of will and the reason that satan has to be done away with ...well i will trust god on this one]we are in for aride soon and paving the way to the mark gets me..its kinda like if i put the mark in front of the kids with icecream on it and took all the food away and they ate it ,they in big trouble with god ,but what about me that put it there or helped in ways that i never new ..this one i do not fully understand...
I understand, but I would not worry about it because in the end we win, in the end Satan lose....in fact he has already lost the battle and the war.
but some are dening it ,or its to much to handle so they block it out ,or they are haveing such a good time parting and living in addiction they are blind....and you are right the powers eat there own..i fear that is human condition and most people put into them powers would do the same ,as satan is controler of some big powers and only threw gods holy spirit and christ and gods grace are we able to have victory ,,,die fast would be easy but the long pain and watching tho s you love die or suffer may be more difficult........what gets me is the needlessness of it..[i guess but if its gods way to show us the freedom of will and the reason that satan has to be done away with ...well i will trust god on this one]we are in for aride soon and paving the way to the mark gets me..its kinda like if i put the mark in front of the kids with icecream on it and took all the food away and they ate it ,they in big trouble with god ,but what about me that put it there or helped in ways that i never new ..this one i do not fully understand...
I understand, but I would not worry about it because in the end we win, in the end Satan lose....in fact he has already lost the battle and the war.
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