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maybe this has been hashed over before but if not, what do you guys make of Zechariah 14?
 

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Zechariah 14:1-2 is about the attack and conquest of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, by the Anti-Christ leader of the One world Govt. Half of the population will leave and half remain. This is explained by Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12:6-7

Zechariah 14:3-21 is the Return of Jesus, that comes 3 1/2 years later, then a description of the Millennium period. The plague referred to in v12 has nothing to do wit nuclear war, but is the effect of Jesus using the Sword of His Word. Revelation 19:21
 

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Zechariah 14:1-2 is about the attack and conquest of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, by the Anti-Christ leader of the One world Govt. Half of the population will leave and half remain. This is explained by Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12:6-7

how do you get Beulah from Jerusalem? no mention of Beulah here at all.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah 14:3-21 is the Return of Jesus, that comes 3 1/2 years later, then a description of the Millennium period. The plague referred to in v12 has nothing to do wit nuclear war, but is the effect of Jesus using the Sword of His Word. Revelation 19:21

no mention of 3.5 years here in Zechariah 14:3-21 either, and how is it you know that its not a description of a nuclear fall out. it is exactly what happens from radiation exposure. aren't you aware that it is presumed that Israel has a nuk in the their mountains and it called Samson and when the Lord blows the valley mentioned and many hostiles to Israel die, the nuk nations that are hostile and support the hostiles against Israel would respond and its quite possible it will backfire on them. a nuk response justifies a nuk response. which maybe what is being establish with the idiot in North Korea.
 

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how do you get Beulah from Jerusalem? no mention of Beulah here at all.
Jerusalem will be the capital of the new nation of Beulah, in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5

no mention of 3.5 years here in Zechariah 14:3-21 either
The 3 1/2 years is told to us in Daniel 9:27 and Revelation 13:5
and how is it you know that its not a description of a nuclear fall out. it is exactly what happens from radiation exposure.
God will not allow a nuke and radiation pollution in the holy Land. Prophecy is clear: the Lord will send fire from His storehouse, the sun. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Isaiah 30:26-30, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3
 

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Jerusalem will be the capital of the new nation of Beulah, in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5

Beulah is an attribute of a thing, not the name of a place:

Beulah (/ˈbjuːlə/) is a feminine given name. It is originally a Hebrew word (בְּעוּלָ֑ה bə‘ūlāh), used in the Book of Isaiah as a prophesied attribute of the land of Israel. In the King James version the word is transliterated and also translated as "married", see Isaiah 62:4. An alternative translation is "espoused", see for example Isaiah 62:4 (Mechon Mamre).


there are some who use it as a place between heaven and earth but scripturally that doesn't apply.

The 3 1/2 years is told to us in Daniel 9:27 and Revelation 13:5

the 3.5 years are mention respectively but you have no proof scripturally that Zechariah 14:3-21 has anything to do with that.


God will not allow a nuke and radiation pollution in the holy Land. Prophecy is clear: the Lord will send fire from His storehouse, the sun. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Isaiah 30:26-30, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3

did I say nuk the holy land? are you paying any attention at all? or do you see things as you whish them to be? besides its a matter of exposure if any whether someone suffers ill effects or not something it seems you don't know a thing about.
 

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Beulah is an attribute of a thing, not the name of a place:
The Land of Beulah:
Isaiah 62:1-2a For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent – until her victory shines forth, like the sunrise, her victory like a blazing torch. The nations will see your victory and their rulers your glory.
Isaiah prophesies for the sake of Zion; the holy Land. There will be a great victory, ‘like a blazing torch’ - a CME sunstrike over the attacking enemies. Isaiah 66:15-16, Psalms 11:4-6
The world will see it and be amazed. Jeremiah 33:6-16

Isaiah 62:2b-5 You will receive a new name, the Lord Himself will give it. You will be like a glorious crown in His hand. No more are you forsaken and your Land desolate. You will be called ‘Hephzibah’ and the Land, ‘Beulah’. For the Lord will delight in you and it will be like a marriage: He will rejoice over you as a bridegroom over his bride. ‘Hephzibah’ = My delight is in her. ‘Beulah’ = married. Isaiah 49:18

The Lord’s people, Christian Israelites will be gathered and settled into their heritage, all of the holy Land, in the new nation of Beulah. Wonderful promises to them of fertility and wealth. They will live in justice, peace and security, as He intended people to be.

Isaiah 62:6-7 Jerusalem, on your walls, I have posted watchmen, they will call out: You that invoke the Name of the Lord, do not rest and give no rest to the Lord until He makes Jerusalem a praise throughout the world.
The Hebrew word for ‘watchmen’, is ‘natzar’, the root word for Nazarene; literally all Christian believers. WE must not rest or let the Lord forget His people and His Land. Keep praying for our redemption and restoration. Ezekiel 36:24-28, Isaiah 52:7-9

Isaiah 62:8-9 The Lord has sworn to never again allow foreigners to take the produce of the Land, but you who give praises to Him will eat the grain and drink the wine, within My sacred courts.
After the great clearance in the Middle East, only His righteous people will be allowed to live there, those who love the Lord and obey Him. Isaiah 66:20-21, Ezekiel 20:38

Isaiah 62:10-11 Pass through the gates – clear a road for My people. Build a highway, remove the rocks and make a signal to guide the people. Proclaim to the ends of the earth, say to the offspring of Zion: See your deliverance comes, His reward is with Him and He will make recompense.

The great gathering of the Lord’s people – the second Exodus, will happen in the same manner as the first Exodus. Leaders [shepherds] will arise to guide the flock, in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. Jeremiah 3:14-15, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 43:5-7, Micah 4:6, Isaiah 49:9-13, Isaiah 51:3, Zechariah 8:11-12, Isaiah 40:1-5, Ezekiel 11:17

Isaiah 62:12 They will be called ‘The Holy people, the Redeemed of God’ and Jerusalem will be called ‘sought after, the City no longer forsaken’.

The Lord’s faithful Christian people: living in the Holy Land of Beulah, as He created them to live, being a ‘light to the nations’ and witnesses to His salvation. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to every people group, to preach the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Acts 2:39, Jeremiah 31:23-34

Joel 2:23-27 People of Zion, rejoice – your God will recompense you for the years that others have ravaged your Land. You will again have plenty in your own Land. Then you will know that I am present in Israel and that I and no other am your God. We will know the Lord is present by His deeds. Just as it was at the Exodus. Must be before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.
did I say nuk the holy land? are you paying any attention at all? or do you see things as you whish them to be? besides its a matter of exposure if any whether someone suffers ill effects or not something it seems you don't know a thing about.
A Coronal mass ejection of the sun, can and will literally cause all the effects so graphically described by the prophets. It seems your understanding is lacking, as you don't realize that sun emits radiation and a massive burst of it will fulfil Zechariah 14:12. That verse specifically says the Lord will do it, why think it's a man caused event?

Here is your quote: Proverbs 18:2 The foolish have no interest in seeking to understand, but only in expressing their own opinions. REB.
 
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The Land of Beulah:
Isaiah 62:1-2a For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent – until her victory shines forth, like the sunrise, her victory like a blazing torch. The nations will see your victory and their rulers your glory.
Isaiah prophesies for the sake of Zion; the holy Land. There will be a great victory, ‘like a blazing torch’ - a CME sunstrike over the attacking enemies. Isaiah 66:15-16, Psalms 11:4-6
The world will see it and be amazed. Jeremiah 33:6-16

Isaiah 62:2b-5 You will receive a new name, the Lord Himself will give it. You will be like a glorious crown in His hand. No more are you forsaken and your Land desolate. You will be called ‘Hephzibah’ and the Land, ‘Beulah’. For the Lord will delight in you and it will be like a marriage: He will rejoice over you as a bridegroom over his bride. ‘Hephzibah’ = My delight is in her. ‘Beulah’ = married. Isaiah 49:18
again and a again Beulah is an attribute not a place. a desert is place that is called "desolate" an attribute not the place . and Beulah isn't mentioned anywhere you want me to believe it talks about.
A Coronal mass ejection of the sun, can and will literally cause all the effects so graphically described by the prophets. It seems your understanding is lacking, as you don't realize that sun emits radiation and a massive burst of it will fulfil Zechariah 14:12. That verse specifically says the Lord will do it, why think it's a man caused event?


also no where does scripture say the sun will be the cause in this case, that I'm aware of. the Lord will bring the battle to where the blood will be to the bridles. that includes actions of man, what makes you think that mankind is going to do anything God hasn't set in their hearts, or let be set in their hearts. it seems your "ideas" of God are limited, and you insist that scripture fits your views.

and you don't seem to understand that God lets man suffer the result of man's own judgement.
 

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and you don't seem to understand that God lets man suffer the result of man's own judgement.
Yes man has suffered at his own hand, but the time is coming when God will take action again, as He did in Noah's time.
Isaiah 30:26a specifically says the sun will emit a burst of radiation on the Day of His wrath. Why must you deny that?
 

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maybe this has been hashed over before but if not, what do you guys make of Zechariah 14?
This is what is written of "a time, times, and half a time", of "the end", also referred to as "the end times."

These are the times of the world, the times of Christ's coming in the flesh and in the spirit, and the dividing of all things into light and darkness.
 

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This is what is written of "a time, times, and half a time", of "the end", also referred to as "the end times."

These are the times of the world, the times of Christ's coming in the flesh and in the spirit, and the dividing of all things into light and darkness.


since the Lord said time what is a time? many think it to be a year but in don't think so.
 

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since the Lord said time what is a time? many think it to be a year but in don't think so.
It is the media of God. This is story time. History is His story.

Once upon a time.
 
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Well I believe that all things Prophesied in the Old Testament, Are from the Mouth Of God through His Prophets! and God is not a lair that He should Repent!! Zechariah 5 - I will paraphrase a bit you can go back and read it in it's fullness!! vers 1- I see a flying scroll 20 cubits long, and 10 cubits it's width, approximately 34 feet long and 6 feet in diameter. a scroll when rolled up is cylinder shape. verses 4&5 explain for who! and what it capable of, vers 6 explains that it is a container [ basket] oh and by the way this is what they look like in the future throughout the earth. 7 tells us that the basket [container] has a women in it, THE Hebrew word for woman, is spelled the same as the word for Fire! 8- Tells us that this is Wickedness! and this Fire is thrust into the basket [container] and then covered with lead.
early Hebrew method of measure for width was a line cast about to determine diameter, which is a Greek measurement.
I can only say if you look a any missile today it will have Fins at its base, thin and long like the wings of a stork. India has missiles today which are called, Ogny Two which means two fires, going back to vers 9 there were TWO women!!!
verse 11- says they will be based in Shinar or today Iran,
Not every thing in the Bible was translated to perfection, When the Masorites placed vowel pointing into the Hebrew text you could only think why would you put a fire in a basket, so women was excepted as the best rendering. also some translations say Ephah which was a basket used for measuring grain and they had to meet specific dimensions. Think what you will, But the Earth will be Destroyed by Fire, weather the Fire from the Heavens, or Fire falling from above, due to Man in his infinite we-is-dumb!
 
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Well I believe that all things Prophesied in the Old Testament, Are from the Mouth Of God through His Prophets! and God is not a lair that He should Repent!! Zechariah 5 - I will paraphrase a bit you can go back and read it in it's fullness!! vers 1- I see a flying scroll 20 cubits long, and 10 cubits it's width, approximately 34 feet long and 6 feet in diameter. a scroll when rolled up is cylinder shape. verses 4&5 explain for who! and what it capable of, vers 6 explains that it is a container [ basket] oh and by the way this is what they look like in the future throughout the earth. 7 tells us that the basket [container] has a women in it, THE Hebrew word for woman, is spelled the same as the word for Fire! 8- Tells us that this is Wickedness! and this Fire is thrust into the basket [container] and then covered with lead.
early Hebrew method of measure for width was a line cast about to determine diameter, which is a Greek measurement.
I can only say if you look a any missile today it will have Fins at its base, thin and long like the wings of a stork. India has missiles today which are called, Ogny Two which means two fires, going back to vers 9 there were TWO women!!!
verse 11- says they will be based in Shinar or today Iran,
Not every thing in the Bible was translated to perfection, When the Masorites placed vowel pointing into the Hebrew text you could only think why would you put a fire in a basket, so women was excepted as the best rendering. also some translations say Ephah which was a basket used for measuring grain and they had to meet specific dimensions. Think what you will, But the Earth will be Destroyed by Fire, weather the Fire from the Heavens, or Fire falling from above, due to Man in his infinite we-is-dumb!


thanks for the info, the description in chapter 14 would seem obvious to the sane person but there are those with their secret revelations. oow wee ooow

anyways I'll have to read chapter 5 its been a long time since I've read Zechariah through anyway.
 

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Bible prophecy read in a modern translation, is very enlightening. We ARE meant to know what God has planned.

Zechariah’s barrel
In Zechariah 5:1-11, the prophet tells us about a large barrel shaped object that flies in our atmosphere and is situated on the place prepared for it: in the land of Shinar.
It is referred to as a curse, that will sweep away every criminal and false religion worshipper as well as demolish their houses.
This mysterious object, or objects, has a lead cover and from their size and effects, we can discern they are nuclear missiles. Shinar is the ancient name for the fertile area of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, which includes Elam; now part of Iran.

So, right now, in our day, we have this prophecy coming true. Iran have the technology to build these weapons and the motivation to use them against Israel.
But we who study the Prophetic Word, know the Lord will not allow this to happen and He will destroy the chief weapon of their strength. Jeremiah 49:35

Deuteronomy 32:34-35 & 43 I have sealed up in My storehouse, punishment against My enemies, till the Day of vengeance and wrath, at the moment their foot slips. For the Day of their downfall is near, their doom is fast approaching. the Lord will punish those who hate Him and cleanse His peoples Land.
Isaiah 2:21 On that Day, the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror.
Jeremiah 4:20 Crash follows crash, for the whole land goes down in ruin.
Isaiah 66:6 The noise and distress that you hear, is the Lord dealing retribution to His foes. Revelation 6:12-17
Psalms 110:1-6 In glorious majesty He judges the nations, shattering heads throughout the wide earth. Luke 21:35

Judgement of fire: A coronal mass ejection sunstrike; Isaiah 30:26a
Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all arrogant evildoers will be as stubble, they will be destroyed in a fiery blaze. 2 Peter 3:7
Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come, storms, earthquakes and a flame of devouring fire. Zephaniah 3:8
Isaiah 66:16 The Lord will judge with fire and sword, many will be slain by Him.
Ezekiel 21:28 A sword of slaughter will flash like lightening. Matthew 24:29
Isaiah 10:17-19 Sudden destruction. As sudden as someone falling in a fit.
Psalms 21:8-9 Your hand will reach all Your enemies, all who hate You. In Your anger, You will engulf them as in a fiery furnace and fire will consume them.

Destroyed at the moment of attack:
Amos 5:9 He makes destruction flash forth against the mighty.
Habakkuk 3:14 You pierce their leaders with Your arrows, they are swept away by a whirlwind as they open their jaws to secretly devour their victims.
Psalms 37:12-15 The wicked have drawn their swords and strung their bows, to slaughter the righteous. Their weapons will cut their own hearts and their bows will be shattered.
Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy prepares to attack, he has conceived mischief and given birth to lies. He has dug a deep pit, but he himself will fall into it.
Psalms 9:15-17 The wicked are trapped in their own devices. The wicked depart to Sheol, all the nations who are heedless of the Lord.

The scenario:
Nuclear tipped missiles are prepared for launching. At the moment the firing button is pressed, the EMP of a massive explosion on the suns surface strikes the area. The highly charged particles will cause the bombs and the missiles to explode on the ground. The main mass will arrive on earth 24 hours later. Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 7:17, Revelation 6:12-17
 
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what is this, some kind of mockery?
It is the plain truth.

If you "create" something from "nothing"... is it a mockery? No, it is the apple of your eye, or it is garbage to be thrown in the furnace.
 

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It is the plain truth.

If you "create" something from "nothing"... is it a mockery? No, it is the apple of your eye, or it is garbage to be thrown in the furnace.

what in the heck are you talking about?
 

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what in the heck are you talking about?
You asked if what I said was a mockery. I said, No, it is the plain truth.

Then I used you creating something as an example of God's creation, so that you could easily see the truth of just what a "creation" is. Is it a mockery? No, but it is a mock-up.

What did you think the meaning of "manifest" was?

What part of this do you not understand?
 

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You asked if what I said was a mockery. I said, No, it is the plain truth.

Then I used you creating something as an example of God's creation, so that you could easily see the truth of just what a "creation" is. Is it a mockery? No, but it is a mock-up.

What did you think the meaning of "manifest" was?

What part of this do you not understand?

well for one you never used the word manifest that I can see, but sorry didn't see your first posting here.

anyway

na, not buying your explanation reason being time is an element of creation itself as in "the beginning" like matter energy and space. also any engineering has to include time for most calculations.

and biblically speaking what is it that the Lord would expect a man like Daniel to understand as a "time". technically speaking there is no smallest amount or measure of time. there is always a shorter amount of time.
 

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well for one you never used the word manifest that I can see, but sorry didn't see your first posting here.

anyway

na, not buying your explanation reason being time is an element of creation itself as in "the beginning" like matter energy and space. also any engineering has to include time for most calculations.

and biblically speaking what is it that the Lord would expect a man like Daniel to understand as a "time". technically speaking there is no smallest amount or measure of time. there is always a shorter amount of time.
You are speaking as a man. The kingdom of God...is not of this world, and the things of the world (including time and engineering) are not the gauge of what is true or possible. All things are possible with God.

So, then, this world is a "creation", a "manifestation", an "image" out of "nothing." These things are true and the word of God.