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People do quench the Holy Spirit of God and for this reason sometimes draw conclusions which differ one from another while each claims to have received his teaching from God. The solution is not to argue or run each other down but to lay it before God. If an answer is really needed as God sees it, He will not fail to provide it.
If it did come from God and you have done what He told you do with it, why do you need to do anything else? Only God changes people when people allow it, it God sees that a change is needed. Perhaps then on this point it is simply time to move on to His next job for you..
Hi Amadeus,
You must go with what is in your heart. Our problem sometime is that we listen to God, but don't listen long enough. When we stopped listening, had He already finished talking?
If you think you are one in doctrine, you are deluding yourself.
I never said you couldn't. I said division was anathema in the NT.
Pastors, priests and bishops are "man", aren't they?
That makes no sense. For they/you to reject us first, you would have to be there from the beginning. So you play games with history to force fit it into your preconceptions.
Does this mean you would accept the the Early Church Fathers general consensus on doctrinal issues before there was a Bible? What grounds do you claim they were not in Christ, the Rock, when the ECF canonized the Bible? After all, they were "men". What disturbs you is that none of them were Protestants.
And worst of all for you they where not catholics either, Just simple followers of Christ.
in essence it seems to me that that is exactly what is being avoided though, with all due respect. Not that Protestants have exactly picked up a dropped torch there or anything either.
ok, well none of these is "confess your sins to each other" much in my interp anyway, save perhaps the "in front of the whole congregation" thing that just warps the concept another direction imo.
imo they are in the same boat, and have no Scriptural backing for their position, actually going directly against Scripture @ "prayer partner" too, as well as "if your brother sins, first go to them in private," etc. even if that is from the pov of the offended.
What doctrine? We do not believe only, but know the Truth.
The flesh profits nothing.
You misunderstand. This verse does not to be lead blindly, but rather to obey in spite of their error - that they will not use their misguided authority against you. It is a warning, and an insight of how to get by under the strong delusion of the flesh, which Paul also spoke of.
Obviously, it makes no sense...because you have had it backwards.
"Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
I am not talking about the flesh. I am talking about the unbiblical disdain you guys have for physical matter.
No, you misunderstand. "Obey your leaders..." means there are leaders in the first place. Individuals with private interpretation is not leadership. it's chaos, the very foundation of non-denoms, a pillar of sand. You are your own leader, borrowing a little from Calvinism and a little from Baptist theology, and a little from Luther, here, there...
No, I have the witness of history, you are forced the re-write history to make it fit your preconceptions and man made traditions. Whatever authentic "truth" you have came from the Catholic Church you despise, including the Bible itself.
You can't carry on a rational discussion. From the beginning, in the context of what I said, means from the beginning of the Church. You claim it was your church from the beginning, but have no evidence beyond "the Bible alone", which is burring your head in the sand and denying truckloads of evidence it was Catholic "from the beginning"".
Typical fundamentalist non-sequitur. Because we call our priests "father", they must be hypocrites. It doesn't follow. That's what a non-sequitur means.
