What does the word ALL mean?

mjrhealth · Aug 31, 2017

GodsGrace said:
I do hear some say that all we need to do is BELIEVE and nothing else is necessary.
THIS I do not agree with.

You still miss teh point. Its all about love, anything we do in love is not a problem and that is the hard part, when is it love and when is it teh flesh. So many christians running around doing works to prove their faith, when it is, when we walk in faith the works follow because these works are from God and not man so we cannot boast.

If you do something out of guilt it is not love.

GodsGrace · Aug 31, 2017

mjrhealth said:
You still miss teh point. Its all about love, anything we do in love is not a problem and that is the hard part, when is it love and when is it teh flesh. So many christians running around doing works to prove their faith, when it is, when we walk in faith the works follow because these works are from God and not man so we cannot boast.

If you do something out of guilt it is not love.

Who told you I do anything out of guilt?
Are YOU the only loving person around these here parts??

It sounds to me like YOU ARE one of those that say only LOVEY DOVEY is necessary.

So would you preach to me if I'm cold, or would you give me your coat?

mjrhealth · Aug 31, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Who told you I do anything out of guilt?
Are YOU the only loving person around these here parts??

Show me where I said you did????

GodsGrace · Aug 31, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Show me where I said you did????

This is what you said:

If you do something out of guilt it is not love.

What did you mean by that?
(post no. 41)

GodsGrace · Aug 31, 2017

Truth said:
For the past 16 years I have observed the Torah of Moses, I Have tried to keep the Feasts as best I could, these were all Commanded to keep Forever throughout your Generations, I truly Believe in the One Who Laid down His Life on the Stake made from a tree that He Created, and was in the Heart of the Earth, for THREE days and THREE nights, you know as the Prophet Jonah, and was Raised to Life, and now sits at the right hand of the Father, How else but by the Love and Grace of God we surly can live Above the Law, not by my strength but BY HIS STRENGTH HIS GRACE. when I say above I mean that I strive to excel with the Law, as one would try to win a foot race! and by no means do I think that I am saved by the Law, I try because I Love Him, If You Love Me Keep My Commandments. When You Love Someone, you will do what they ask! People say that Abraham didn't keep any commandments, but in Genesis when God passes the Covenant to Issac God says because Abraham obeyed My voice, kept My statutes, and my Commandments! so on this Covenant goes to You Issac. not word for word but it is there, the first part is enough to find it, I do not remember Chapt & verse well.

Truth,
I think we all must do what God tells us to do.
I mean, when you say you observe the Torah of Moses I have to believe that you mean the decalogue and the feast days. It's true that God does not change and the feasts days were forever, inluding the Sabbath. In fact, keeping the Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments and when did God ever change it? Can we be sure He was resurrected on Sunday? There is doubt.

You mentioned the Covenants and it's true that each covenant does not abolish the previous one but builds on it.

But let me ask you this: What's the difference between the Old, or Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant?

Many believe the LAW has been abolished in the N.C., but Jesus said He did Not abolish the Law.

Is there a difference for you?

Helen · Aug 31, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Make no mistake. I am FOR grace. Just look at my name. That does not deny that we're to keep the Law also. I find it a little bit Dangerous to say that the Law is not for us.

God took care of the Old Law, in Jesus Christ.. we are not under the law, and Paul tells us that over and over...
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross..."

The law has not been removed or destroyed...it has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
"For us" the law has been removed totally from over our heads...in Jesus Christ.

If we walk and live as Jesus told us to:- "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
In keeping them all the old 10 are in there....LOVE does not do any of the 10.
We don't even keep these two laws of Love here in our own strength...we live, move, and have our being in The Spirit.

THESE are the only laws that apply to the believer.
Paul told those that kept reverting back to the old commandment and 'trying' to keep them, over and over....that they were free.
If the 10 commandments COULD BE KEPT, then Jesus Christ would have never needed to die!! For 4000 years they tried to keep the law..they failed, and needed the blood of bulls and goats to COVER sin.
Jesus came and destroyed it...and removed sin and the law from over us.

Hebrews 10
" This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which He hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water."

I agree with @mjrhealth YES, Paul says we are not to keep the old law.
( it spits in the face of all that Jesus did in redemption)

But, that is the revelation that 'I' walk in....we each must get before the Lord for ourselves and allow Him to reveal these to to us....( so many just go with what they have been taught, and do not wait before the Lord to 'hear', but presume that they already know!!)

When the Lord led me into true Grace ( in the 80's) and what it really meant...it was for me like being 'born again'..a second time...it was that powerful.

Bless you....H

mjrhealth · Aug 31, 2017

GodsGrace said:
If you do something out of guilt it is not love.

Exactly what it says. Did I say you DID ????

What is it you want, would you like me to tell you what you want to hear or need to hear.

GodsGrace · Aug 31, 2017

Truth said:
For the past 16 years I have observed the Torah of Moses, I Have tried to keep the Feasts as best I could, these were all Commanded to keep Forever throughout your Generations, I truly Believe in the One Who Laid down His Life on the Stake made from a tree that He Created, and was in the Heart of the Earth, for THREE days and THREE nights, you know as the Prophet Jonah, and was Raised to Life, and now sits at the right hand of the Father, How else but by the Love and Grace of God we surly can live Above the Law, not by my strength but BY HIS STRENGTH HIS GRACE. when I say above I mean that I strive to excel with the Law, as one would try to win a foot race! and by no means do I think that I am saved by the Law, I try because I Love Him, If You Love Me Keep My Commandments. When You Love Someone, you will do what they ask! People say that Abraham didn't keep any commandments, but in Genesis when God passes the Covenant to Issac God says because Abraham obeyed My voice, kept My statutes, and my Commandments! so on this Covenant goes to You Issac. not word for word but it is there, the first part is enough to find it, I do not remember Chapt & verse well.

P.S.
I agree about Abraham.
He followed all that God told him to do.
He obeyed - which God demands of us even today.

And the Abrahamic Covenant can be found in Genesis 15:9-21
Also confirmed in chapter 17

In Genesis 15:6 Abraham believed the Lord and it was credited to him as righteousness.

In Genesis 26:4-5 God tells Isaac that He will give to Isaac all these lands and will confirm the oath made with his father, Abraham, and will bless him because Abraham obeyed and kept God's requirements and commands and decrees and laws.

mjrhealth · Aug 31, 2017

GodsGrace said:
God demands

God demands nothing,

GodsGrace · Aug 31, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Exactly what it says. Did I say you DID ????

What is it you want, would you like me to tell you what you want to hear or need to hear.

I don't need to hear anything from you.
But thanks anyway.

GodsGrace · Aug 31, 2017

mjrhealth said:
God demands nothing,

You see that look on your face in that avatar of yours?
That's the look you'll have someday when you understand that God DEMANDS A LOT from you.

God has not changed. He's the same God that was speaking in the burning bush to Moses. The same God that told Abraham to sacrifice his son. The same God that wiped the earth clean with a flood and turned Sodom and Gemorrah to ashes.

Do you think he's changed?
Hebrews 13:8

God gives you a choice. Choose to obey Him and choose LIFE.
Deuteronomy 30:15-17...

GodsGrace · Aug 31, 2017

"ByGrace" said:
God took care of the Old Law, in Jesus Christ.. we are not under the law, and Paul tells us that over and over...
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross..."

The law has not been removed or destroyed...it has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
"For us" the law has been removed totally from over our heads...in Jesus Christ.

If we walk and live as Jesus told us to:- "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
In keeping them all the old 10 are in there....LOVE does not do any of the 10.
We don't even keep these two laws of Love here in our own strength...we live, move, and have our being in The Spirit.

THESE are the only laws that apply to the believer.
Paul told those that kept reverting back to the old commandment and 'trying' to keep them, over and over....that they were free.
If the 10 commandments COULD BE KEPT, then Jesus Christ would have never needed to die!! For 4000 years they tried to keep the law..they failed, and needed the blood of bulls and goats to COVER sin.
Jesus came and destroyed it...and removed sin and the law from over us.

Hebrews 10
" This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which He hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water."

I agree with @mjrhealth YES, Paul says we are not to keep the old law.
( it spits in the face of all that Jesus did in redemption)

But, that is the revelation that 'I' walk in....we each must get before the Lord for ourselves and allow Him to reveal these to to us....( so many just go with what they have been taught, and do not wait before the Lord to 'hear', but presume that they already know!!)

When the Lord led me into true Grace ( in the 80's) and what it really meant...it was for me like being 'born again'..a second time...it was that powerful.

Bless you....H

Hi BG,
I'm happy that you had a second awaking. I'm not sure what the first one was --- I felt like your second awakening from the beginning of my meeting Jesus.

I have to say that I agree with what you've said but it's really incorrect to say that Paul teaches that we are not to keep the old law. Just so I'm sure I understood, you did say this:

YES, Paul says we are not to keep the old law.

This is not possible because Paul would be teaching the opposite of what Jesus said and since it's Jesus who inspired Paul to write, they would be in conflict with each other.

You posted Mathew 5:17
What does it mean to fulfill the law?
It means to make it more complete, to make it better.
Jesus did NOT make the law easier to follow, He made it more difficult to follow.
See Mathew 5:21. Jesus says "you have heard it said, or were told"...
Then he goes on to CORRECT the old law, to make it more in line with what God REALLY wants - which is an internal change.

So before you had to kill your Brother, now if you just hate him, you have already killed him.

How is this taking the law away? It makes it MORE DIFFICULT.
Ditto for Mathew 5:27-28

The ordinances were taken away, as you said. NOT THE MORAL LAW.

We are not UNDER the Law, it is not our taskmaster, but we are still to keep the law.

This is the Whole difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

The Law did not change, the way to keep it changed.

Jesus said that whoever annuls one of the least of the commandments shall be called gthe least in the Kingdom. Jesus also said that our righteousness must SURPASS that of the pharisees and scribes.
Mathew 5:19-20

Hebrews 10:20 (which you posted)
BY A NEW AND LIVING WAY...

The way to obey has been changed,
but we are still to obey.
We still must obey ALL the commandments.

See Mathew 28:19
Jesus sends the Apostles out on the Great Commission. He tells them to teach all the nations to observe all that He commanded.

ALL that He commanded.

mjrhealth · Aug 31, 2017

GodsGrace said:
You see that look on your face in that avatar of yours?
That's the look you'll have someday when you understand that God DEMANDS A LOT from you.

God has not changed. He's the same God that was speaking in the burning bush to Moses. The same God that told Abraham to sacrifice his son. The same God that wiped the earth clean with a flood and turned Sodom and Gemorrah to ashes.

Do you think he's changed?
Hebrews 13:8

God gives you a choice. Choose to obey Him and choose LIFE.
Deuteronomy 30:15-17...

Oh you really cannot see, Liufe chose me.

I ma the way teh truth and teh life, it is why I am no loner under condemnation.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

But to so many He is still there, on that cross where He was humiliated and put to shame.

God never changed its men that keep changing Him

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

GodsGrace · Aug 31, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Oh you really cannot see, Liufe chose me.

I ma the way teh truth and teh life, it is why I am no loner under condemnation.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

But to so many He is still there, on that cross where He was humiliated and put to shame.

God never changed its men that keep changing Him

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Who's Liufe?

Romans 1:21-23
Why? God was not known yet at that time.
He was only known by His creation.
No revelation yet.

Romans 6:3-10
We died to sin and are alive in Christ.
Sin no longer has a hold on us.
What does this have to do with anything?
I don't understand. Where does it say here that we're to DO NOTHING?
or where does it say here that we're NOT TO OBEY THE LAW?

I could post many verses where Jesus tells us that we are to do many different things.
For instance, try Mathew, chapters 5 to 7.

Could you post one verse where Jesus says that all we need to do is to believe in Him and DO NOTHING and we will still be saved?

mjrhealth · Aug 31, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Who's Liufe?

Romans 1:21-23
Why? God was not known yet at that time.
He was only known by His creation.
No revelation yet.
.

Could you post one verse where Jesus says that all we need to do is to believe in Him and DO NOTHING and we will still be saved?

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Are you going to pay for your salvation, i doubt you can afford it.

pia · Aug 31, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I can personally testify that this statement is the absolute truth ! I called........He rescued me, then He came........What a wonderful Lord we serve, and what a privilege to KNOW that He REALLY is a truly resurrected being.........Made me totally convinced that God was then, ALSO real...... Praise Him Pia

pia · Aug 31, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Could you post one verse where Jesus says that all we need to do is to believe in Him and DO NOTHING and we will still be saved?

pia said:
I can personally testify that this statement is the absolute truth ! I called........He rescued me, then He came........What a wonderful Lord we serve, and what a privilege to KNOW that He REALLY is a truly resurrected being.........Made me totally convinced that God was then, ALSO real...... Praise Him Pia

This was in relation to 'mjrhealth' responding to you. He quoted Romans 10:13

Helen · Sep 1, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Hi BG,

This is not possible because Paul would be teaching the opposite of what Jesus said and since it's Jesus who inspired Paul to write, they would be in conflict with each other.
.

Looks like you mind is already made up...as is mine.

I never try to persuade anyone to believe what I believe.
That's between you and the Lord .....

As bbyrd009 mentioned , to see your whole post...just click the right hand side of your quoted name above after the word...'said'
There are no Forum rules saying that we must quote a whole post of a person.

Bless you....H

pia · Sep 1, 2017

GodsGrace said:
We still must obey ALL the commandments

Jesus said :" ONE new commandment I leave with you.......LOVE God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength and with all your mind
AND the 2nd. is LIKE the first ( thus He is able to say One commandment, because they are almost identical) Love others as you love yourself". This is what brings pleasure to God, when you choose to put ALL your faith IN HIM and what He says here...........

GodsGrace · Sep 1, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Are you going to pay for your salvation, i doubt you can afford it.

Just as I thought.
You're getting Justification mixed up with Sanctification.

WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH in Jesus.
NOTHING WE DO CAN SAVE US.

This is true.

But doesn't a lifetime come after that?
Are we not God's hands and feet?
Must HE come down here on earth to do His work for Himself?

Of course, we're saved by grace.
Why do you Always leave out
Ephesians 2:10 ?
We are made FOR GOOD WORKS as God planned before the beginning of the world.

You posted a lot of scripture that answers to HOW WE GET SAVED, but not what comes after.

It sounds like you might be against works. They do seem to be getting an ugly reputation these days.

What did Jesus mean in Mathew 25:35-46 ?
Are these works? Maybe you call it something different but the outcome is the same.

We are to obey Jesus and Jesus said to do things...

Jesus said we will be judged on our works...
John 5:28-29

What does the word ALL mean?

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