Roots of Rapture - Origins of the Rapture Theory

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Christina

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Some Christians will go through the tribulation, because the Bible says, Jesus is coming for those that love Him, Some who are in a backsliden state will have to go through the tribulation. But I am going in the first rapture, You can stay if you want.Lets look at 2 Thess 2:3, "That day will not come, except ther come a falling away first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition".There are two ways to look at here, first, there has already been a falling away, among some Christians, and the way they have fallen from biblical truths.But what 2 Thess 2:3, means is, This is how the Greek has it and some Bible scolars agree. "Falling away" [A catching away, a withdrawing] "The rapture". Then and then only can the Devil be revealed, Are you saying the devil is greater then the greater one in you.Look at v 7--8, v7, "The mystery of iniquity doth already work, only he The [church] holds it back untill he [the church] is taken out of the way.v8, "then shall the wicked one be revealed" "When the church is raptured the devil can be revealed".
And when are you told this so called catching away occurs? THE 7th TRUMPthere is no rapture in the Bible as you say there are those who are falling away from Biblical truth and who are they ? Those that twist Gods word and follow a rapture doctrine of Men THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE in the word of God only men who are falling away from his word rapture believe isnt the solution its the problem.Just as God said it would be. and When there is war in heaven Michael will be removed and Satan will come to earth claiming to be christ and probaly promising a rapture to the mislead we are to wait. until the 7th trump as God says
 

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This stuff is just too Mormon for me.. The plain reading of the Bible is literal nations decended from the loins of Abraham. Nuff said. I know no matter what I say, I'll change no minds. Tends to be the case with weird stuff like this: My final thought on this matter is ya'll sound like a bunch of Mormons. The Book of Mormon, one of the religious texts of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), claims that early residents of the Americas were actually descended from the tribe of Joseph, and particularly through Manasseh.
 

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When God refers to any tribe he is referring to Jews from the loins of Abraham that make up the nation or Israel, physical Israel. Judah and the northern tribes make up Israel. Two nations from the loins of one Jacob. When God speaks of Ephraim and Manasseh he speaks of the physical tribes of Israel, not Britain and the US. That is one long stretch to get that conclusion!Two nations are Judah with Benjamin and Levi included as 1/2 and the other 1/2 are the tribes that broke off after Solomon. That is the only sound understanding the Bible gives on this matter. The two nations are coming together now in ALIYAH.That would be incorrect. Abraham is the father of the Jews/Jacob, Arabs/Ishmael, Edomites/Esau, Those people made up many nations. Ishmael himself had 12 kings and kingdoms from his loins. These are the many nations he is the father of. Not so-called Christian nations.Christian gentiles are a spiritual heir of Abraham and not a fleshly heir. The US and Britain are for the most part gentile.I've said my piece about this, you are free to believe what you want. I don't see any point in discussing this any further.
I don't know much about the Scriptures, but can someone explain Rom. 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.Who is a Jew?
 

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Paul is speaking of Jewish heritage, fellowship with the father. You have to take in all accounts in Romans where Paul talks about the Jews to figure out if it is fleshly Jews he is speaking of e.g. nation of Israel, or spiritual Jews, e.g. the the Messianic Jews and the Church. Example:Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, since I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my office: Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to envy them who are my flesh, and might save some of them. Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches. Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you. Rom 11:19 You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not arrogant, but fear: Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you. Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off. Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. Rom 11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
 

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I'll add this as to who is a Jew. Fleshly it is IsraelRom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertains the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
 

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This stuff is just too Mormon for me.. The plain reading of the Bible is literal nations decended from the loins of Abraham. Nuff said. I know no matter what I say, I'll change no minds. Tends to be the case with weird stuff like this: My final thought on this matter is ya'll sound like a bunch of Mormons. The Book of Mormon, one of the religious texts of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), claims that early residents of the Americas were actually descended from the tribe of Joseph, and particularly through Manasseh.
Mormons are a not bible students because you cant understand the word stop with accusations/insults MORMONS FOLLOW THEIR OWN BOOK NOT GODS BECAUSE YOU DONT GET what we are saying ITS NOT OUR PROBLEM YOU DONT LIKE THE WORD OF GOD then FOLLOW WHOM EVERbut just because some religion/cult has a particular belief that happens to be based on a biblical scripture they twist does not give you anyright to judge sense you obviously dont have any answers to the scriptures your veiw goes against what makes you think you are right. and GOD is WRONGNone of your above scripture disproves any of what we have said and none prove you right How does it futher your point to make false accusations all I see is its your way whether it goes against God word or not we are not here to study your theroys Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? There is more hope of a fool than of himIf you arent interested in what scripture has to say fine but just tooting your own out of tune horn ....Well we'll take God Words
 

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I've been called a "Mormon" or sometimes "Worldwide Church of God" because of my beliefs in the lost tribes. In fact, I am a member of a Protestant Denomination that has its roots in German Reformed---- as Protestant as one can get. I also was once a member of an Evangelical Congregational church, another mainline Protestant group. I came to the conclusion that I was lumped there because to some people the lost tribes teachings are too alien, or maybe threatening, or whatever and people just love to put others into a box of some sort so that they can label and classify them and put them onto a shelf so-to-speak.I am partly forgiving of this because as the bible teaches, the lost Israelites would not know they are lost (i.e. their national identity) and one sign is the thick-headed refusal to admit it. They like all Israelites to fit into their little Jewish mold, even though the bible teaches that the Israelites that are lost did not behave like the Jews, but in fact became as gentiles. However, the time is ripe to know this as God gave us adequate evidence and the time of the end approaches.But this is serious stuff. The reason why this is so important is because of the birthright thread I brought up. If God cannot make nations from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph, then He indeed failed His word. Why? Because In those same promises included the promise of Messiah. If God failed on one point, the rest of the promises, including the Messianic ones, go out the window by default! Very Serious Business.
 

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The Word of God is very clear just study His word and compare 'the day' with 'the coming of....' and all will be revealed for His glory.
 

Christina

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Couldnt agree more Tim important stuff anyone who thinks that all Gods word can be fulfilled in just modern day Israel, Jews(Judah), alone is denying a large part of Gods promises and prophecy. Israel today is only a part of the promise and it serves the important purpose of being our calander/clock.If you dont realize the importance of the birthright you havent understood his word.