Jesus is a human being but not the one true God

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I know persons who do not believe Jesus is God and yet they call themselves Christian.
Most forums ban this.
Here I see a special forum for this.

And I don't mind that these can be allowed on the forum, as long as the forum doesn't mind my response. In fact I think it is good that they do allow it so Christians can sharpen their skills in dealing with these people. It can be aggravating...but that is part of it.

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Are you saying that you don't know?
You didn't complete your sentence, so I didn't understand.
No problem.
I see that you had a vision.

Perhaps Jesus said that he does not impute sin to children and not that they don't sin.
We don't recognize sin, but God does.
He certainly will not hold a child responsible for what the child does not know.;

This is also true of adults. If you don't know something is a sin, then for you it is not.
 

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And I don't mind that these can be allowed on the forum, as long as the forum doesn't mind my response. In fact I think it is good that they do allow it so Christians can sharpen their skills in dealing with these people. It can be aggravating...but that is part of it.

Stranger
I'd have much more to say if my NEW keyboard would work.Must be the computer....
Prophecy
Scripture
Jesus' words
Jews anger...why?
Apostles fear
Their death...
 

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I'd have much more to say if my NEW keyboard would work.Must be the computer....
Prophecy
Scripture
Jesus' words
Jews anger...why?
Apostles fear
Their death...

I know that is aggravating. Sorry. I don't understand your six references though. Maybe tomorrow. Dallas Cowboys are playing your New York Giants and I'm having a hard time paying attention to the computer. Later.

Stranger
 

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I'd have much more to say if my NEW keyboard would work.Must be the computer....
Prophecy
Scripture
Jesus' words
Jews anger...why?
Apostles fear
Their death...

Whats wrong with your keyboard? Is it wireless? If so, do you have a USB 3.0 device hooked up to your computer? My wireless keyboard was hardly working because the signal coming from the Keyboards receiver was somehow being interrupted by the flash drive. I just bought a wired keyboard to save myself the hassle.
 

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I do believe that He was the I AM during His time on earth ...but I also believe that 'when He came' He laid all His power and glory down.
I think this is shown when He said :- "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?" Matt 26:53 . His own power was laid aside, it had to be...as He was the second/Last Adam while here... He passed the Adam test in the wilderness temptation. He took back victoriously all that Adam had lost...and the death blow to the devil, of that victory was on the cross.
GINOLJC, to all. Yes the Lord Jesus is the GREAT "I AM" of the OT (Spirit) and the NT (spirit) in flesh as a man in his "OWN" image that was to come, (see Romans 5:14b).

I notice you said, "I admit I don't really understand this thread much". anytime a child of God is in doubt about anything is to TEST the spirit by the SPIRIT, meaning the word of God. for the apostle said, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good". may I help you out. you're correct about the Lord Jesus laying down his power, ... well, what if we say that he veiled his powers. same as saying laying down, but without removing his power, meaning not openly showing them because he "WILLED" NOT to show them openly. by not openly showing them, he set the example for us to follow. "HE HUMBLED" himself when he was in flesh. according to the record in book to the Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men". made himself is an act of his will. understand, most people don't know or fully understand the "WILL" of God. God willed not to use his power while in flesh and blood. let me give you an example of his will in his working. scripture, Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". STOP and think for a moment. your left hand and your right hand is your hands... right. but how can you not know what both are doing. how? it's an act of your will not to know. let's see this Godly principle in action by God himself. scripture, in the new covenant that God made with us today, he said this, concering the new covenant. Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more". hold it, how can all knowing God "not remember". just as in Matthew 6:3 it's the Godly principle of the ACT of one's "WILL". here, God willed not to remember. just let that settle in. also in Philippians 2:7, "he made HIMSELF of no reputation", meaning it was an act of his will NOT to be of no reputation. meaning, NOT to show his powers openly.

Now knowing that, to help you understand God as a man, (in flesh), hence the topic. staying in the record of the Philippians, now at verse 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God". without going into any details, I'll make it plain. the word "form" here is key in understanding God in flesh. definition time, FORM, this word can be used internally and externally to describe the schema of a things or a person. Form,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
here this word "form" identifies our Lord fundamental nature. remember he put on flesh, so what is his nature before he put on flesh? answer, Spirit, and John 4:24a states... God is a Spirit. and there is ONLY ONE GOD. so, the Lord Jesus is the Spirit, meaning GOD. but how as God in flesh? answer, the root of G3444 μορφή morphe is G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n. 1. a portion. notice it's not a verb, nor an adverb but a noun. and a portion means "share" and not divide. so our Lord Jesus is the "EQUAL SHARE" of himself in flesh as the Philippians record states, "equal with" and not equal to" big difference. because equal with means the same one person, if equal to that means another separate person as some mistakenly assume, and that want fly. because, Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?". this verse just eliminated another separate "PERSON" in the Godhead, which is no other. also this verse do the same, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One". see, John 1:1 is correct as in its use of the word "with". John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". with here complement Philippians 2:6 as being Equal "WITH". so the Lord Jesus is God as the equal of himself "shared in flesh. and that word "share" indicate another of one self, simply put, the sharing of ONESELF is called being an "OFFSPRING", which our Lord is.
hoped that helped, be blessed.
 
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The 'feet' that this one feel down at, were the feet of God. Which happened to be the feet of Jesus. Yes, we worship Jesus Christ as God.
i don't see a thing wrong with that perspective if that is what suits you Stranger
i have always held that i do not know, and all i have is an opinion
 

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I was taught the Bible. I guess some traditions must come in to it. Maybe.
I met Jesus when I was about 28. Many years ago.
I had never read the Bible.
But I did desire to know more, although everything I mportant I already knew.
Like, for instance, to trust Him.
I was baptized Catholic at age 6. At age 32 [1976] I was drawn to the UPC and began for the first time in my life to read the Bible. I left the UPC the last time in 1987 when I moved to Oklahoma. For the most part I learned from my own Bible reading and studies with help given to me here and there along the way from various people.

I learned many hard lessons during those years from 1976 until now. One thing I learned is that the Truth does not come from study alone no matter how good of a student a person is. I changed, or had changed in me, some those doctrines that some people will call, essential.
 
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My point is that your eyes to see should not contradict with the Book that was by the Spirit. There should be no opposition. Correct?

Stranger
The Book was written by men inspired by God. To understand God message from the Book requires the same kind of inspiration in the reader or hearer.
 

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The Book was written by men inspired by God. To understand God message from the Book requires the same kind of inspiration in the reader or hearer.
amen you cannot find God with your mind, and logic and reason will not work. it is simply unnatural to yield in the manner that is commanded. Anti-self makes no sense.
 

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i don't see a thing wrong with that perspective if that is what suits you Stranger
i have always held that i do not know, and all i have is an opinion

It is not what suits me. It is what it says

I have held the same...that you do not know. And all you have is opinion.

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The Book was written by men inspired by God. To understand God message from the Book requires the same kind of inspiration in the reader or hearer.

So, what are you saying? You don't understand the Book because God has not given you the same kind of inspiration?

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it strikes me that the truth is best expressed somewhere in the middle of our two perspectives, and removing either one would be catastrophic to any truth. Adding a third perspective would be even better imo, i should go grab @habibiii zahra lol

Why not just pay attention to the verses I gave. muslim.

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@Stranger Geez 'Stranger' that's a little harsh, don't you think ( in relation to your answer to 'bbyrd')? Did Jesus not instruct us to try to make peace with those around us? Also in order to be forgiven by them, they should first 'repent' to us, and THEN we are to forgive them.. At least that is how I understood what is written. I have not heard about this issue from the Lord, nor do I think I have asked Him.
I have a hard time believing that if you are a Christian, that you can be this hard hearted toward others. You do list yourself as a Christian, so may I ask why you try so hard to come across as an unsaved person at times?
In all honesty, I am NOT trying to heap dung upon you, I am just confused by this, so please don't take offense, I do not mean it that way, I am however curious.
I get the sense that you have been hurt a lot by people who say they are Christians, or am I way off the mark there?
 
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Why not just pay attention to the verses I gave. muslim.

Stranger

So who spat in your oatmeal this morning?:rolleyes: :oops:
Do you ever have anything polite or positive to say to people? I am sure you make your mother very proud.
 
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Yes I did ! I asked you a question.....
Pia,
I don't know the question anymore!
If it's do I know why Jesus died for us, Yes, I DO!
If I don't know that, what kind of Christian would I be??

There are two reasons:
One is for the atonement.
There are different ideas of the atonement.

One is that Jesus died in our place. This is a legalistic view.
The other is that He died to free us from satan's power. This is the old view which was from the beginning, the early Church -- it does seem to be coming back into style, but I'm not sure since I don't live in the U.S. anymore.

I say "style" because Christianity does seem to be going through some changes and I'm trying really hard to understand why. Maybe there could be a thread on this...
 

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I was baptized Catholic at age 6. At age 32 [1976] I was drawn to the UPC and began for the first time in my life to read the Bible. I left the UPC the last time in 1987 when I moved to Oklahoma. For the most part I learned from my own Bible reading and studies with help given to me here and there along the way from various people.

I learned many hard lessons during those years from 1976 until now. One thing I learned is that the Truth does not come from study alone no matter how good of a student a person is. I changed, or had changed in me, some those doctrines that some people will call, essential.
I'm hearing a lot of talk on this thread about how we cannot just have knowledge.
I reply that knowledge is also necessary.

The best I could do is post
1 Corinthians 2:14-16

The bible can only be understood SPIRITUALLY.
The canal man will not understand it.

There are persons in university that study the bible like a book.
THAT will not bring to saving faith -- although God could work through that too.

One has to be born again first, and THEN he will understand the bible.

Seems simple enough...
One is not born a Christian,
One becomes a Christian, as our experiences have shown both of us.