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In two places Jesus said He only came to the lost sheep of Israel (Matt. 10:5-7 and Matt. 15:23-24)

Did Jesus lie? Or is main street Christianity lying?

In the book of James 1.1 it tells us who James is writing to.

Did James lie? Or is main street Christianity lying?

In Paul’s epistles he states that the gospel he is preaching was “HIDDEN IN GOD” and revealed to him, by revelation, and is about God’s grace offered to man; if the man has faith to believe it. Grace excludes the law since it can not be earned. Under grace the law has been satisfied because Jesus atoned for, paid for, all the sins the mankind committed in the past, present, and future. For these the law is no longer in effect since Jesus’ shed blood paid the price for them.

The above is what Paul says, his gospel was hidden in God.

Is Paul lying? Or is main street Christianity lying?

The answers will tell a lot.
 

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I take that as Jesus' intention during his ministry, but after he was rejected his invitation was expanded to include the gentiles.
 
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Neither lied. Even Christ saying bread is not to be cast to the dogs, Was a fulfillment. Did Jesus lie? For a season, The testimony of Jesus was sealed for Israel, (for our sake) until the fullness of the gentiles comes in. Then the testimony of Jesus will be against Israel to bring sight and repentance. (Even if He is the one we pierced) During the tribulation. Right now, the Jews don't see Him. I don't understand the debate. Isn't it obvious? God had a plan from the beginning and His plan is good. Why did God order the unclean lepers without, and in the NT Paul's says that is where we meet Him; without bearing His reproach.

1 Kings 8:41-43 KJV
[41] Moreover concerning a stranger, that is not of thy people Israel, but cometh out of a far country for thy name's sake; [42] (For they shall hear of thy great name, and of thy strong hand, and of thy stretched out arm when he shall come and pray toward this house; [43] Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.

Isaac (the son) on the altar shows God always had a plan. Hidden for a season. But present all the way through the OT.
 
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Romans 3:4 " God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written.." :)
 
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I take that as Jesus' intention during his ministry, but after he was rejected his invitation was expanded to include the gentiles.

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Show where Jesus changed His ministry??? That is why He, Jesus, sent Paul. The scripture says He was the apostle to the Gentiles.
 

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Show where Jesus changed His ministry??? That is why He, Jesus, sent Paul. The scripture says He was the apostle to the Gentiles.

His ministry changed after the Jews killed him. I can think of no clearer way to convey rejection than to kill them. What did they say before Pilate, "his blood is on us and our children." Jesus also said:
"But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation."
 
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GINOLJC, to all. addressing the OP. there is the spirit of ERROR in your statements. Yes the the Lord Jesus came to save the lost sheep of Israel. the error is, WHO ARE THE LOST SHEEP. I notice you mention James 1:1, but you need to add 1 Peter 1:1 also. for all the strangers in the bibles are not only of the tribes of Israel. the Lord JESUS said the HOUSE, and not ONLY the tribes of Israel. listen to the record. Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob".
Strangers: H1616 גֵּר ger (gare) n-m.
גֵּיר geyr (gare) [fully]
1. (properly) a guest.
2. (by implication) a foreigner.
so now the question is "who is of the HOUSE of Jacob". watch the red. we have a carnal tribes, Israel, and a spiritual HOUSE Jacob. and now we have "Strangers". looking at the definition above, a stranger can be a guest, a foreigner. let the record speak. for now we will see who a stranger is concering GRACE and the LAW. Genesis 17:12 "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed". stranger here is the Hebrew word, Stranger: H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m. please look it up, which means "Son". now for a side note. for all those who believe that the sons of God mention in Genesis 6 are angels well Genesis 17:12 here proves that they are not angels. for H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) used here is the same word used in Genesis 6, as well in Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east". see that word in red "men" of the east. it's the same word H1121 בֵּן ben (bane). just killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. but let's Continue . so the stranger in Genesis 17:12 unto Abraham is a spiritual. How do we know this. the covenant was with Abraham and his "SEED". Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee". now let's hear the apostle paul concering this seed in Grace and the Law. Galatians 3:16-18 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise". and the promise is by FAITH. now, was not Abraham himself a stranger in the Land himself? look for a city not built with mortal hands. Hebrews 11:8 "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God". he was a sojourner. well let's see who a sojourner is. listen to the record, Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob". the house of Jacob is a house that contain strangers, and it was Jacob who inherent the Promise that was many unto his father Issac, which was made unto his father Abraham. now knowing that it is by FAITH that the promise was made. and is not Abraham the father of MANY NATIONS/G1484 ἔθνος ethnos (eth'-nos by FAITH. yes the Gospel was hidden. why do you think they are called the "LOST", be it tribes, or People, for all must hear the gospel. Luke 19:10 "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost". all men are lost, got to start some where.

PS, side note. concering the Law, it's not for the faithful who are righteous. and yes the the Law still in effect, but not for the righteous. scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine". oop's contrary to sound doctrine. yes your doctrine need to be correct. if not you will have to face the LAW, which was MADE FOR YOU. other words if you don't have sound doctrine, (the truth), then you're still a sinner". don't argue with me, read the record, "but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners".

be blessed
 
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101G, I struggled with "stranger" and who exactly they are. There seemed to be a contradiction. Praise God, your post clarified a lot. Do you mind if I paraphrase what I gathered from your post? Please correct, if I misheard.

We are all lost sheep of the house of Israel. Those that are of His seed. We all were once strangers to that promised land. Now we are sojourn; strangers to this land; looking with joyful expectancy of one that is to come?
 

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His ministry changed after the Jews killed him. I can think of no clearer way to convey rejection than to kill them. What did they say before Pilate, "his blood is on us and our children." Jesus also said:
"But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation."
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You are correct in that Jesus changed the message after His death and gave Paul a hidden message of grace. Jesus and the 11(120 Never preached the message of God's grace But He, Jesus, sent Paul with that Message, not the 11(12). This has to be preached or people will just ignore Paul's message of grace as they do today. It give rise to the idea that Jesus' message was the same as Paul's in the 4 gospels.

When the Jews said His blood is own us and our children. it was not that His blood paid for their sin of killing Him. It was accepting the resposibility for it.
 
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GINOLJC, to all. addressing the OP. there is the spirit of ERROR in your statements. Yes the the Lord Jesus came to save the lost sheep of Israel. the error is, WHO ARE THE LOST SHEEP. I notice you mention James 1:1, but you need to add 1 Peter 1:1 also. for all the strangers in the bibles are not only of the tribes of Israel. the Lord JESUS said the HOUSE, and not ONLY the tribes of Israel. listen to the record. Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob".
Strangers: H1616 גֵּר ger (gare) n-m.
גֵּיר geyr (gare) [fully]
1. (properly) a guest.
2. (by implication) a foreigner.
so now the question is "who is of the HOUSE of Jacob". watch the red. we have a carnal tribes, Israel, and a spiritual HOUSE Jacob. and now we have "Strangers". looking at the definition above, a stranger can be a guest, a foreigner. let the record speak. for now we will see who a stranger is concering GRACE and the LAW. Genesis 17:12 "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed". stranger here is the Hebrew word, Stranger: H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m. please look it up, which means "Son". now for a side note. for all those who believe that the sons of God mention in Genesis 6 are angels well Genesis 17:12 here proves that they are not angels. for H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) used here is the same word used in Genesis 6, as well in Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east". see that word in red "men" of the east. it's the same word H1121 בֵּן ben (bane). just killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. but let's Continue . so the stranger in Genesis 17:12 unto Abraham is a spiritual. How do we know this. the covenant was with Abraham and his "SEED". Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee". now let's hear the apostle paul concering this seed in Grace and the Law. Galatians 3:16-18 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise". and the promise is by FAITH. now, was not Abraham himself a stranger in the Land himself? look for a city not built with mortal hands. Hebrews 11:8 "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God". he was a sojourner. well let's see who a sojourner is. listen to the record, Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob". the house of Jacob is a house that contain strangers, and it was Jacob who inherent the Promise that was many unto his father Issac, which was made unto his father Abraham. now knowing that it is by FAITH that the promise was made. and is not Abraham the father of MANY NATIONS/G1484 ἔθνος ethnos (eth'-nos by FAITH. yes the Gospel was hidden. why do you think they are called the "LOST", be it tribes, or People, for all must hear the gospel. Luke 19:10 "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost". all men are lost, got to start some where.

PS, side note. concering the Law, it's not for the faithful who are righteous. and yes the the Law still in effect, but not for the righteous. scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine". oop's contrary to sound doctrine. yes your doctrine need to be correct. if not you will have to face the LAW, which was MADE FOR YOU. other words if you don't have sound doctrine, (the truth), then you're still a sinner". don't argue with me, read the record, "but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners".

be blessed
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The OP is very simple. Your long reply is your attempt to rationalize the three questions under a barrage of verbalism.

Which means you are hunting for a way to make both of them blended into one. All of the O.T. was a history of the Jewish people and the Gentile were not included.

The question for you is to answer the OP using the verses given and say who is lying. But I see you want to say on the fence and not give an answer. But that is also an answer. It is a smoke screen to avoid an answer.
 

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GINOLJC, first thanks for the response. at least you did read it, but yet not understand it. anyway,..
Which means you are hunting for a way to make both of them blended into one. All of the O.T. was a history of the Jewish people and the Gentile were not included.
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ERROR all of the OT in not a history of the Jewish. it a History of People and their interaction with EACH other. there is nothing special about the Jews. as a matter of fact people was keeping covenant with God before there was a nation called Jews. example. Moses Wife Zippora, saved him from death when she circumcise their son which Moses had no clue to do before he went back to Egypt to free his fellow brother from slavery. this is found in Exodus 4:21-26.

and to address your blending that you accuse me of, let's check the record, Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob". here stranger are H1616 גֵּר ger (gare), meaning 1. a guest. STOP, is not the gospel an INVITATION?, yes. Guest are invited. don't miss the point of Christianity. and this Gospel is to be preached to all, or simply, invite all.

so what you said is inexcusable.
 

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101G, I struggled with "stranger" and who exactly they are. There seemed to be a contradiction. Praise God, your post clarified a lot. Do you mind if I paraphrase what I gathered from your post? Please correct, if I misheard.

We are all lost sheep of the house of Israel. Those that are of His seed. We all were once strangers to that promised land. Now we are sojourn; strangers to this land; looking with joyful expectancy of one that is to come?
Get out of here YOU GOT IT, congratulation. this is what the gospel, THE GOOD NEWS is all about. salvation to a dying world.
 

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In two places Jesus said He only came to the lost sheep of Israel (Matt. 10:5-7 and Matt. 15:23-24)

Did Jesus lie? Or is main street Christianity lying?

In the book of James 1.1 it tells us who James is writing to.

Did James lie? Or is main street Christianity lying?

In Paul’s epistles he states that the gospel he is preaching was “HIDDEN IN GOD” and revealed to him, by revelation, and is about God’s grace offered to man; if the man has faith to believe it. Grace excludes the law since it can not be earned. Under grace the law has been satisfied because Jesus atoned for, paid for, all the sins the mankind committed in the past, present, and future. For these the law is no longer in effect since Jesus’ shed blood paid the price for them.

The above is what Paul says, his gospel was hidden in God.

Is Paul lying? Or is main street Christianity lying?
The answers will tell a lot.
Jesus said that He was sent not that He simply came. He understood His "mission" according to all that was said of Him in the scriptures (old testament), and He said that the works that He did were those that the Father showed Him. In other words, He knew His purpose, He knew that His destination in ministry was the cross, He knew the promises of God of a restoration of His own glory, but what He did and what He said were things given to Him by the Father to do and to say to satisfy the requirements of God's covenant of law and to establish the new covenant promised by God through the prophets, the covenant of peace (with God). The New Testament teaches us that God emptied Himself of His divine attributes in order to take the form of a man and of a servant so that He might sympathize with us in our frailties and weaknesses, and be an advocate for us in judgment who understands our nature. Jesus had to be entirely human to represent us and yet without sin, to reveal what we could be (without sin.) When He did those things which scripture attributes to God, such as walking on water and raising the dead, He did them as signs of His divinity and through the power of His Spirit (the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Christ.) This is how His saints are meant to walk as well; that is, to be informed by scripture of God's will for them and to do those things which they are shown by Him through the working of the Holy Spirit within them. There's nothing contradictory about Jesus' words or actions, but timing was everything and He understood this very well. After the Pharisees and rulers decided to kill Jesus, Jesus refused to travel with His brothers and sisters to Jerusalem for one of the feasts, saying that His time had not yet come (presumably the time of His humiliation.) Yet He did go to that feast and taught there when the time was right. There is a time and a season for all things including judgment and salvation.
 

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Jesus said that He was sent not that He simply came.
both sent and came are positions of action, which are the same. but zeroing in on his mission
He understood His "mission" according to all that was said of Him in the scriptures (old testament), and He said that the works that He did were those that the Father showed Him. In other words, He knew His purpose, He knew that His destination in ministry was the cross, He knew the promises of God of a restoration of His own glory, but what He did and what He said were things given to Him by the Father to do and to say to satisfy the requirements of God's covenant of law and to establish the new covenant promised by God through the prophets, the covenant of peace (with God).
what was said in the OT was said by the Lord Jesus himself, listen to the record, Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I". so when was that day that God the Lord spoke and said "I AM HE? answer, John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins". people still don't believe.
The New Testament teaches us that God emptied Himself of His divine attributes in order to take the form of a man and of a servant so that He might sympathize with us in our frailties and weaknesses, and be an advocate for us in judgment who understands our nature. Jesus had to be entirely human to represent us and yet without sin
not saying that you're correct or not, but consider this. I'll make it short as possible. our Lord "TOOK PART" in our humanity, and not a "PARTAKER" in our humanity. please look up the difference.
When He did those things which scripture attributes to God, such as walking on water and raising the dead, He did them as signs of His divinity and through the power of His Spirit (the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Christ.)
I commend you on your recognition of the Spirit of Christ who is the Holy Spirit, meaning the Lord Jesus, and I like what you said "HIS" Spirit. 100%, while in flesh it is his Spirit/God, as he said to Mary, I ascend to my God, meaning HIS Spirit, for God is a Spirit, (John 4:24a.). and in the OT it's his Spirit that was in the Prophets, read 1 Peter 1:10 & 11.

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GINOLJC, to all. addressing the OP. there is the spirit of ERROR in your statements. Yes the the Lord Jesus came to save the lost sheep of Israel. the error is, WHO ARE THE LOST SHEEP. I notice you mention James 1:1, but you need to add 1 Peter 1:1 also. for all the strangers in the bibles are not only of the tribes of Israel. the Lord JESUS said the HOUSE, and not ONLY the tribes of Israel. listen to the record. Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob".
Strangers: H1616 גֵּר ger (gare) n-m.
גֵּיר geyr (gare) [fully]
1. (properly) a guest.
2. (by implication) a foreigner.
so now the question is "who is of the HOUSE of Jacob". watch the red. we have a carnal tribes, Israel, and a spiritual HOUSE Jacob. and now we have "Strangers". looking at the definition above, a stranger can be a guest, a foreigner. let the record speak. for now we will see who a stranger is concering GRACE and the LAW. Genesis 17:12 "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed". stranger here is the Hebrew word, Stranger: H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m. please look it up, which means "Son". now for a side note. for all those who believe that the sons of God mention in Genesis 6 are angels well Genesis 17:12 here proves that they are not angels. for H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) used here is the same word used in Genesis 6, as well in Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east". see that word in red "men" of the east. it's the same word H1121 בֵּן ben (bane). just killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. but let's Continue . so the stranger in Genesis 17:12 unto Abraham is a spiritual. How do we know this. the covenant was with Abraham and his "SEED". Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee". now let's hear the apostle paul concering this seed in Grace and the Law. Galatians 3:16-18 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise". and the promise is by FAITH. now, was not Abraham himself a stranger in the Land himself? look for a city not built with mortal hands. Hebrews 11:8 "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God". he was a sojourner. well let's see who a sojourner is. listen to the record, Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob". the house of Jacob is a house that contain strangers, and it was Jacob who inherent the Promise that was many unto his father Issac, which was made unto his father Abraham. now knowing that it is by FAITH that the promise was made. and is not Abraham the father of MANY NATIONS/G1484 ἔθνος ethnos (eth'-nos by FAITH. yes the Gospel was hidden. why do you think they are called the "LOST", be it tribes, or People, for all must hear the gospel. Luke 19:10 "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost". all men are lost, got to start some where.

PS, side note. concering the Law, it's not for the faithful who are righteous. and yes the the Law still in effect, but not for the righteous. scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine". oop's contrary to sound doctrine. yes your doctrine need to be correct. if not you will have to face the LAW, which was MADE FOR YOU. other words if you don't have sound doctrine, (the truth), then you're still a sinner". don't argue with me, read the record, "but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners".

be blessed
well, actually He was speaking specifically about the lost sheep of Israel and that's clear from the gospel texts, but those same texts mention other sheep as well. Even at the time of Christ's passion He refused to meet with some Greeks who desired to know Him, because it wasn't the time for the gentiles to receive Him. Jesus' mission wasn't specifically the founding of His church, but the redemption of mankind through the cross. Jesus' blood effectively redeemed all of creation in one solemn act. It all belongs to Him now and so He also judges all men, both the living and the dead. It's not so strange that He assigned the building of His congregation to His apostles and upon that great rock of confession "You are the messiah, the Son of the living God". Peter's answer to the question of "who do you think I am" is identified as the revelation of God which He could've only received by God's Spirit and so it is with all who believe Him.
 

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well, actually He was speaking specifically about the lost sheep of Israel and that's clear from the gospel texts, but those same texts mention other sheep as well. Even at the time of Christ's passion He refused to meet with some Greeks who desired to know Him, because it wasn't the time for the gentiles to receive Him.
was not the gospel preached to them in the OT but it was not mixed with FAITH.

second, did not a woman of Canaan recieve our saviour, and he her by FAITH?, listen to the record, Matthew 15:21-27 "Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table". now verse 28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour". well, it seem our Lord Left Jewish land and venture into Gentile territory, and he received her, because of her "GREAT FAITH". as well as some who was occupying the Land, a centurion (ROMAN) got his servant healed because of HIS FAITH. the record can be found at Matthews 8:5-13. Hmmm... seems like that FAITH thing is work here in and out of the land of the Jews. that same FAITH of father Abraham? I wonder.
 

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both sent and came are positions of action, which are the same. but zeroing in on his mission

what was said in the OT was said by the Lord Jesus himself, listen to the record, Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I". so when was that day that God the Lord spoke and said "I AM HE? answer, John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins". people still don't believe.

not saying that you're correct or not, but consider this. I'll make it short as possible. our Lord "TOOK PART" in our humanity, and not a "PARTAKER" in our humanity. please look up the difference.

be blessed.
According to Webster's dictionary a partaker is one who has a share or participates in, and that describes exactly what God did in Jesus Christ. We just haven't seen the end of it yet. Those that believe and receive Him are those that are renewed in the image of God, Jesus Himself, and are those that He is not ashamed to call His brothers. Yes, that's God honoring men by calling us brothers, and coinheritors with Christ. God didn't take part in humanity, He became a man for our benefit and in the eternal person of His "only begotten" Son. History is His story and has always been in His sovereign control, revealing Him in what He is not (sinful and rebellious) and in what He is in the person of His Son, our Lord Jesus the Christ.
 

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was not the gospel preached to them in the OT but it was not mixed with FAITH.

second, did not a woman of Canaan recieve our saviour, and he her by FAITH?, listen to the record, Matthew 15:21-27 "Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table". now verse 28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour". well, it seem our Lord Left Jewish land and venture into Gentile territory, and he received her, because of her "GREAT FAITH". as well as some who was occupying the Land, a centurion (ROMAN) got his servant healed because of HIS FAITH. the record can be found at Matthews 8:5-13. Hmmm... seems like that FAITH thing is work here in and out of the land of the Jews. that same FAITH of father Abraham? I wonder.
no. We find the gospel in parts through the Old Testament and most clearly in chapter 53 of the book of Isaiah, but the Holy Spirit couldn't be given to indwell men permanently until after the redemption price was paid in our Lord's precious blood. We have a scriptural record of prophets, priests, and kings looking forward to the coming of Christ, but not one of them was redeemed until the cross. We also have a record of many dead saints being seen in Jerusalem at the time of Christ's resurrection, which tells us that they were redeemed in that one act.
 
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In two places Jesus said He only came to the lost sheep of Israel (Matt. 10:5-7 and Matt. 15:23-24)

Did Jesus lie? Or is main street Christianity lying?

In the book of James 1.1 it tells us who James is writing to.

Did James lie? Or is main street Christianity lying?

In Paul’s epistles he states that the gospel he is preaching was “HIDDEN IN GOD” and revealed to him, by revelation, and is about God’s grace offered to man; if the man has faith to believe it. Grace excludes the law since it can not be earned. Under grace the law has been satisfied because Jesus atoned for, paid for, all the sins the mankind committed in the past, present, and future. For these the law is no longer in effect since Jesus’ shed blood paid the price for them.

The above is what Paul says, his gospel was hidden in God.

Is Paul lying? Or is main street Christianity lying?

The answers will tell a lot.
That, of course, is all over the map of history...which is the point that Paul was making: The complete truth as it has been hidden in God during times past, that was revealed in the fullness of time, does not make the former liars. But rather, makes the former only true of that time. This is the nature of God's revelation unto all truth. That is why Paul advocated that we "press on" to all that God has in store.