Satan - a bitter, jealous adversary of Job

Dcopymope · Sep 16, 2017

face2face said:
Lets stay on Matthew 25

Matt 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels!

Just so we are clear - I assume you are inferring this judgement of mortals is also a judgement of your demonic being and its evil angels?

Yes or no will do.

That's what the text says pal. And if you were actually reading the text with eyes to see, you would realize that the Lake of Fire was never meant for us, his image bearers, but was reserved for Satan A.K.A 'the anointed cherub', and his angels, although many humans will end up in the Lake of Fire. At no point are angels ever stated to be of any origin but heaven.

(Matthew 10:26-28) "Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. {27} What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. {28} And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

bbyrd009 · Sep 16, 2017

"ByGrace" said:
Glad you asked that.
I asked similar in some thread somewhere...saying something like..If Satan is a means God uses to perfect and mature us...and if he's a good servant doing a good job in testing every person in the world...how can he be chucked into the fire at the end after doing a good job of it????

when you completely abandon selfish desire in service, you have bound satan in the Abyss. satan is 'released for a short season' if/when you relapse, but at some point you toss satan into the lake of fire. is one perspective

face2face · Sep 16, 2017

Dcopymope said:
That's what the text says pal. And if you were actually reading the text with eyes to see, you would realize that the Lake of Fire was never meant for us, his image bearers, but for Satan AKA 'the anointed cherub', and his angels, although many humans will end up in the Lake of Fire. At no point are angels ever stated to be of any origin but heaven.

You have been messed up in a big way....its not impossible to fix you know.

Revelation 20:14

Question 1. How can death literally be cast into a lake of fire?
Question 2. Is Hell the same place as the lake of fire?
Question 3. If "the woman" is "that great city" in Revelation 17:18 and "waters" are "peoples" in Revelation 17:15 what is the "lake of fire"?

Re angels
It should be noted that the Greek word "aggelos" translated "angels" (Revelation 12:7,9), can refer to either human or divine angels. The word means "messenger, agent". Robert Young, Analytical Concordance to the Holy Bible. Aggelos refers to human messengers or agents in the following passages: Matthew 11:10; Luke 7:24, Luke 7:27; Luke 9:52; and James 2:25.

Aggelos is used occasionally in both the OT (Mal 2:7; 3:1) and the NT (Matt 11:10; Luke 7:24; 9:52; Jas 2:25) to refer to a human messenger. The angels of the seven churchs are the leaders of the church, their bishops. The Yale Bible Dictionary

F2F

bbyrd009 · Sep 16, 2017

face2face said:
Boy, imagine if the entire OT was silent on this so called demonic being.

"pleased to meet you; hope you guessed my name"

face2face · Sep 16, 2017

Dcopymode

Can angels be humans?

Yes or no?

Dcopymope · Sep 16, 2017

face2face said:
Dcopymode

Can angels be humans?

Yes or no?

You must have me confused me for a man who repeats himself.

bbyrd009 · Sep 16, 2017

the need of the human psyche for a scapegoat should be examined here maybe

Job · Sep 16, 2017

face2face said:
Only because you are not willing to see How God can be a good satan to someone.

That's the only thing you've got right so far.

o

face2face · Sep 16, 2017

Dcopymope said:
You must have me confused me for a man who repeats himself.

Evidence can do things to a man - even make them to change ones mind.

face2face · Sep 16, 2017

Job said:
That's the only thing you've got right so far.

o

Once you understand the language and context anything is possible.

Job · Sep 16, 2017

face2face said:
Once you understand the language and context anything is possible.

2 Peter 3
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

o

Dcopymope · Sep 16, 2017

face2face said:
Evidence can do things to a man - even make them to change ones mind.

What evidence?

Job said:
That's the only thing you've got right so far.

o

HA!!!!

Dcopymope · Sep 16, 2017

Job said:
2 Peter 3
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

He fits this description to an absolute T.

face2face · Sep 16, 2017

face2face said:
You have been messed up in a big way....its not impossible to fix you know.

Revelation 20:14

Question 1. How can death literally be cast into a lake of fire?
Question 2. Is Hell the same place as the lake of fire?
Question 3. If "the woman" is "that great city" in Revelation 17:18 and "waters" are "peoples" in Revelation 17:15 what is the "lake of fire"?

F2F

@Dcopymope

Angels referenced as Church elders

x 7
Angels referenced throughout the gospel as human messengers

Angels symbolic of those evil messengers who oppose Christ and the Saints to be judge in the last days.
Devil simply means "false accuser" (more on this later)

And then there is those 3 unanswered questions.

Question 1. How can death literally be cast into a lake of fire?
Question 2. Is Hell the same place as the lake of fire?
Question 3. If "the woman" is "that great city" in Revelation 17:18 and "waters" are "peoples" in Revelation 17:15 what is the "lake of fire"?

O...and play the ball not the man.

F2F

tabletalk · Sep 17, 2017

face2face said:
Once you understand the language and context anything is possible.

Your Post #81 states, in part, "Satan can be God"
#95 states, in part, "God can be a good Satan"
And this post says " Once you understand the language and context anything is possible."

I've discovered over the years that I am more simple-minded than the average Christian, so bear with me here:
God is Light.
Satan is darkness.
The darkness hates the Light.
So, Satan cannot be God and God cannot be a good Satan.

face2face · Sep 17, 2017

tabletalk said:
Your Post #81 states, in part, "Satan can be God"
#95 states, in part, "God can be a good Satan"
And this post says " Once you understand the language and context anything is possible."

I've discovered over the years that I am more simple-minded than the average Christian, so bear with me here:
God is Light.
Satan is darkness.
The darkness hates the Light.
So, Satan cannot be God and God cannot be a good Satan.

Seek out what the word Satan means and how it's used in the Hebrew and Greek.

Once this knowledge is obtained you will be able to discern how it is possible to have a good Satan.

tabletalk · Sep 17, 2017

face2face said:
Seek out what the word Satan means and how it's used in the Hebrew and Greek.

Once this knowledge is obtained you will be able to discern how it is possible to have a good Satan.

You didn't say: just a good Satan, you said God can be a good Satan. Are you suggesting that if I discover that Satan can be good that it will lead me to believe that God can be a good Satan?

bbyrd009 · Sep 17, 2017

tabletalk said:
You didn't say: just a good Satan, you said God can be a good Satan. Are you suggesting that if I discover that Satan can be good that it will lead me to believe that God can be a good Satan?

ya, i mean God admitted "I created evil," but light and darkness are also separated by God, which doesn't seem to be considered in this.

face2face · Sep 17, 2017

tabletalk said:
You didn't say: just a good Satan, you said God can be a good Satan. Are you suggesting that if I discover that Satan can be good that it will lead me to believe that God can be a good Satan?

No I'm suggesting you use a lexicon to discover the meaning of the word satan - from there you will be able to understand the context in which Satan is used.

face2face · Sep 17, 2017

tabletalk said:
You didn't say: just a good Satan, you said God can be a good Satan. Are you suggesting that if I discover that Satan can be good that it will lead me to believe that God can be a good Satan?

The Lord stirred up an adversary (A SATAN) unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite" (1 Kings 11:14

How do you understand this verse?

Was Hadad Satan?

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