The churches are in dire need of understanding this!
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Indeed! In addition to forgiving our sins, Jesus provided a Way for us to overcome our sinful nature. But... we have to make the decision for each time we need to overcome something and God will through the Holy Ghost provide the power for us to do it.
You lie against the scriptures, yet I'm the one with the negative faith. Thank you for the condemnation. I was starting to wonder if I was doing any good.
o
I am sorry you feel that way. You really do not understand what I meant. I believe what I post and what I strive to live. My life is Jesus and God. I never would purposely lie to you about the things of God.
A negative faith as I see it is a faith in God's lack of ability to accomplish what He has promised. You and I cannot do these things alone. But... we do not have to. God in us can do them IF we allow HIM to do them. This is why it is so important NOT to quench the Holy Spirit of God in us.
I understand exactly what you meant. You believe people can reach a state of sinlessness.
That's not true.
1 John 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
It doesn't get any clearer than that.
o
We can only hope...
Numbers 23
19 “God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
Strict adherence to the Word is crucial in our walk along the straight and narrow. We can't pick and choose what we want to accept. We have to accept it all. God does not lie. If He said it, He will do it. His words are the truth and shouldn't be viewed any other way.
It's all or nothing.
o
@pia
I am sorry I overlooked this before.
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No one could overcome until Jesus cleared the way. First Jesus had to overcome the temptations of his own flesh to qualify to pay the price. He did overcome and then he did pay the price. As a result there was then Way into the Gate guarded by the flaming sword in order to partake of the Tree of Life. [Time messes up our thinking. We are bound by time. Is God?]
No matter the time or the place any man until Jesus had paid the price of death could not open anything. They could not be their own sacrifice because they were all corrupted and spiritually dead to God until Jesus brought them Life. Again don't let time confuse you. The OT saints are not beyond redemption just because according to man's clock Jesus was not even born until after most of them were dead. John the Baptist along many others like David were looking in the right direction and their hearts were ready to be changed, but Jesus alone made a change possible. I really don't understand all of the details, but I do believe that God made a Way through Jesus. What is the Book sealed in Revelation 5? Clearly it something that no corrupted or dead person could open. At the "time" according to the scripture no one qualified, but Jesus. It says that he "hath prevailed to open the book" and likely that did not occur until He had overcome sin [John 16:33]. No one else was enabled until he did without regard to when they were born to their natural mothers or when they had the dirt shoveled on their faces.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
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The overcoming is not simply that Jesus paid for our sins, but that we overcame that which leads us back to sin repeatedly even after we have met the Master. What needs to be overcome, I believe, is seen in the underlined words of these verses:
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:16-17
When the "world" of each person passes away, the old man of each person is dead, finally. What remains? For believers who have partaken of the flesh and blood of Jesus the "new" or "inner man" remains. This is the "Life" of which Jesus spoke here:
"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:25-26
But Jesus did not leave with only our flesh to fight the "lust and the pride". That is why He went to the cross and that is in part why the Holy Ghost was poured out on "whosoever will" from that day of Pentecost described in Acts 2 up to the present day.
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Acts 1:8
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Yes, first Jesus overcame the temptations of his own flesh and then he went to the cross to do pay the price which we could not pay so our sins could be removed; and then to provide the means for you and me to overcome that which leads us to sin [I John 2:16].
God knew; Jesus knew, that it for impossible for men to do this. So in these verses is the means to do it explained:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:38-39
This is what happened to the 120 in the upper room in Acts chapter 1.
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Did Jesus pray for nothing?
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." John 17:15-17
Was Jesus not righteous?
"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:15
Sometime our prayers are not answered as we would like because we do not really believe or because we pray amiss, but Jesus never prayed that way. Rather was the following verse not speaking of Jesus? Is He not the Word of God made flesh?
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
And then where is Jesus to be?
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27
What is He doing in there? If we are allowing it, He is doing that is impossible for us alone in our flesh.
I am sorry I overlooked this before.
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No one could overcome until Jesus cleared the way. First Jesus had to overcome the temptations of his own flesh to qualify to pay the price. He did overcome and then he did pay the price. As a result there was then Way into the Gate guarded by the flaming sword in order to partake of the Tree of Life. [Time messes up our thinking. We are bound by time. Is God?]
No matter the time or the place any man until Jesus had paid the price of death could not open anything. They could not be their own sacrifice because they were all corrupted and spiritually dead to God until Jesus brought them Life. Again don't let time confuse you. The OT saints are not beyond redemption just because according to man's clock Jesus was not even born until after most of them were dead. John the Baptist along many others like David were looking in the right direction and their hearts were ready to be changed, but Jesus alone made a change possible. I really don't understand all of the details, but I do believe that God made a Way through Jesus. What is the Book sealed in Revelation 5? Clearly it something that no corrupted or dead person could open. At the "time" according to the scripture no one qualified, but Jesus. It says that he "hath prevailed to open the book" and likely that did not occur until He had overcome sin [John 16:33]. No one else was enabled until he did without regard to when they were born to their natural mothers or when they had the dirt shoveled on their faces.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
*****************************
The overcoming is not simply that Jesus paid for our sins, but that we overcame that which leads us back to sin repeatedly even after we have met the Master. What needs to be overcome, I believe, is seen in the underlined words of these verses:
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:16-17
When the "world" of each person passes away, the old man of each person is dead, finally. What remains? For believers who have partaken of the flesh and blood of Jesus the "new" or "inner man" remains. This is the "Life" of which Jesus spoke here:
"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:25-26
But Jesus did not leave with only our flesh to fight the "lust and the pride". That is why He went to the cross and that is in part why the Holy Ghost was poured out on "whosoever will" from that day of Pentecost described in Acts 2 up to the present day.
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Acts 1:8
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Yes, first Jesus overcame the temptations of his own flesh and then he went to the cross to do pay the price which we could not pay so our sins could be removed; and then to provide the means for you and me to overcome that which leads us to sin [I John 2:16].
God knew; Jesus knew, that it for impossible for men to do this. So in these verses is the means to do it explained:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:38-39
This is what happened to the 120 in the upper room in Acts chapter 1.
***************************************
Did Jesus pray for nothing?
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." John 17:15-17
Was Jesus not righteous?
"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:15
Sometime our prayers are not answered as we would like because we do not really believe or because we pray amiss, but Jesus never prayed that way. Rather was the following verse not speaking of Jesus? Is He not the Word of God made flesh?
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
And then where is Jesus to be?
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27
What is He doing in there? If we are allowing it, He is doing that is impossible for us alone in our flesh.
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pia
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pia
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I believe the infection is gone. Now she's back into just the healing process from the surgery. She can get up and walk, but of course no driving a car. I went to church service alone this morning as has been the case since her surgery, but this afternoon I took her to library. I was a short run but she was exhausted by the time we got home. Complete recovery will take a while.@amadeus .
That's fine, I know you have a lot to keep you busy, and a lot of posts to reply to.
Hope that infection has cleared up which your wife got? I'm sure a lot here are still praying for her
pia
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That it will, but wonderful to hear she has just the one thing now to contend with........Give her our love from the forum, I know there are quite a few 'prayers' here....
Truth
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In the beginning of this your post you refer to the Commandments, which Commandments, the 10 commandments, the 613 commandments in the old Testament, or the Two that most Christians refer to, love the Lord and love thy neighbor as thy self?
Truth
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Dcopymope
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Well hot damn, forgot all about the scroll that no one in heaven and earth was worthy of opening but Jesus Christ. Just makes me wonder if people truly understands the full magnitude of what this means. Not even the Father who is pure and holy could open it but the one he sent who overcame the world.
Truth
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Thank You! I never realized that God was out of the picture on that one, Jesus did overcome this world and defeated Satan at the same time, thus the Earth is His! The title is in HIS NAME!
3 times in John 14, Jesus said: "If you love Me, obey My commandments."
Why do you think I know which ones He's talking about?
FYI, He gave many dozens of them in the 4 gospels.
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pia
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Amen to that, and thank His precious Holiness for it. Truly to Him belongs ALL the Glory !
pia
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There is a lot more to what Jesus accomplished than we realize, took Him about 3 decades (give or take ) to get me to understand some of it.....Yep, there were reasons He had to be the Son of Man, to become the last Adam, which of course was all planned ahead of even creating us. Our Father is no dummy lol, He knew exactly what and how to do it.
Isn't He really something ? All around in all ways, and Jesus being the express 'image' of Him, well He is really something too!
Hallelujah !
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No one could overcome until Jesus cleared the way. First Jesus had to overcome the temptations of his own flesh to qualify to pay the price. He did overcome and then he did pay the price. As a result there was then Way into the Gate guarded by the flaming sword in order to partake of the Tree of Life. [Time messes up our thinking. We are bound by time. Is God?]
No matter the time or the place any man until Jesus had paid the price of death could not open anything. They could not be their own sacrifice because they were all corrupted and spiritually dead to God until Jesus brought them Life. Again don't let time confuse you. The OT saints are not beyond redemption just because according to man's clock Jesus was not even born until after most of them were dead. John the Baptist along many others like David were looking in the right direction and their hearts were ready to be changed, but Jesus alone made a change possible. I really don't understand all of the details, but I do believe that God made a Way through Jesus. What is the Book sealed in Revelation 5? Clearly it something that no corrupted or dead person could open. At the "time" according to the scripture no one qualified, but Jesus. It says that he "hath prevailed to open the book" and likely that did not occur until He had overcome sin [John 16:33]. No one else was enabled until he did without regard to when they were born to their natural mothers or when they had the dirt shoveled on their faces.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
*****************************
The overcoming is not simply that Jesus paid for our sins, but that we overcame that which leads us back to sin repeatedly even after we have met the Master. What needs to be overcome, I believe, is seen in the underlined words of these verses:
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:16-17
When the "world" of each person passes away, the old man of each person is dead, finally. What remains? For believers who have partaken of the flesh and blood of Jesus the "new" or "inner man" remains. This is the "Life" of which Jesus spoke here:
"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:25-26
But Jesus did not leave with only our flesh to fight the "lust and the pride". That is why He went to the cross and that is in part why the Holy Ghost was poured out on "whosoever will" from that day of Pentecost described in Acts 2 up to the present day.
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Acts 1:8
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Yes, first Jesus overcame the temptations of his own flesh and then he went to the cross to do pay the price which we could not pay so our sins could be removed; and then to provide the means for you and me to overcome that which leads us to sin [I John 2:16].
God knew; Jesus knew, that it for impossible for men to do this. So in these verses is the means to do it explained:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:38-39
This is what happened to the 120 in the upper room in Acts chapter 1.
***************************************
Did Jesus pray for nothing?
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." John 17:15-17
Was Jesus not righteous?
"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:15
Sometime our prayers are not answered as we would like because we do not really believe or because we pray amiss, but Jesus never prayed that way. Rather was the following verse not speaking of Jesus? Is He not the Word of God made flesh?
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
And then where is Jesus to be?
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27
What is He doing in there? If we are allowing it, He is doing that is impossible for us alone in our flesh.
No one could overcome until Jesus cleared the way. First Jesus had to overcome the temptations of his own flesh to qualify to pay the price. He did overcome and then he did pay the price. As a result there was then Way into the Gate guarded by the flaming sword in order to partake of the Tree of Life. [Time messes up our thinking. We are bound by time. Is God?]
No matter the time or the place any man until Jesus had paid the price of death could not open anything. They could not be their own sacrifice because they were all corrupted and spiritually dead to God until Jesus brought them Life. Again don't let time confuse you. The OT saints are not beyond redemption just because according to man's clock Jesus was not even born until after most of them were dead. John the Baptist along many others like David were looking in the right direction and their hearts were ready to be changed, but Jesus alone made a change possible. I really don't understand all of the details, but I do believe that God made a Way through Jesus. What is the Book sealed in Revelation 5? Clearly it something that no corrupted or dead person could open. At the "time" according to the scripture no one qualified, but Jesus. It says that he "hath prevailed to open the book" and likely that did not occur until He had overcome sin [John 16:33]. No one else was enabled until he did without regard to when they were born to their natural mothers or when they had the dirt shoveled on their faces.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
*****************************
The overcoming is not simply that Jesus paid for our sins, but that we overcame that which leads us back to sin repeatedly even after we have met the Master. What needs to be overcome, I believe, is seen in the underlined words of these verses:
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:16-17
When the "world" of each person passes away, the old man of each person is dead, finally. What remains? For believers who have partaken of the flesh and blood of Jesus the "new" or "inner man" remains. This is the "Life" of which Jesus spoke here:
"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:25-26
But Jesus did not leave with only our flesh to fight the "lust and the pride". That is why He went to the cross and that is in part why the Holy Ghost was poured out on "whosoever will" from that day of Pentecost described in Acts 2 up to the present day.
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Acts 1:8
********************************
Yes, first Jesus overcame the temptations of his own flesh and then he went to the cross to do pay the price which we could not pay so our sins could be removed; and then to provide the means for you and me to overcome that which leads us to sin [I John 2:16].
God knew; Jesus knew, that it for impossible for men to do this. So in these verses is the means to do it explained:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:38-39
This is what happened to the 120 in the upper room in Acts chapter 1.
***************************************
Did Jesus pray for nothing?
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." John 17:15-17
Was Jesus not righteous?
"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:15
Sometime our prayers are not answered as we would like because we do not really believe or because we pray amiss, but Jesus never prayed that way. Rather was the following verse not speaking of Jesus? Is He not the Word of God made flesh?
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
And then where is Jesus to be?
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27
What is He doing in there? If we are allowing it, He is doing that is impossible for us alone in our flesh.
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