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I just meant that it started with the first organized religion and has spread to every other religion which has sprung up from that ever since.....I think there is a big difference between IN CHRIST and IN an institution set up by men.
You're right...In the world and of the flesh that would not have been possible....But WITH God nothing is impossible...
I have nothing against both, Pia - that’s my point. It seems as if you do. You seem to believe that your private relationship with Jesus carries more authority than the Bible, the church, doctrines, sacraments or any other agreed upon religious activity or idea. This is a dangerous practice because it is rife with temptation towards pride, radical individualism and heresy
Correct BG, a re-writing of history. The apostle Paul said it best. read the very first chapter of the book of Romans, especially verses 19-32. then the apostle states the the obvious in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way". this mystery was already at work in the apostle day. we have today, many records. but my question, why the records written now don't match up with the word of God? not all, but most. case in point, no reflection on any one personally, but the ROMAN Catholics from their writing today exclude women from leadership roles in the church of God. and not only ROMAN Catholics, but many other denominations and major religions of the world do the same. when clearly in Romans chapter 16 the first bishop in Rome was a woman. this is why the book was written and carried by our sister Phebe to establish, or organize the church at Rome. why was this not understood, or known by the early church writers, who wrote to churches after the demise of the original apostles. and why the harsh treatment of women in some churches
GINOLJC, to all. @pia, you're correct. these brute beasts as the apostle Peter says, and our brother Jude said the same thing. Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ". he calls them filthy dreamers, spots in your feasts of charity. clouds they are without water, Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars. murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. WHY? Jude 1:19 "These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit".
it is also fair to say then that they never would have died, by the same measure, right
Wow, that's certainly written in a way no one should have been able to misunderstand........Well that really does seem to point to organized religions over the centuries, as surely this would not have been written about actual believers ?
GINOLJC, you hit the nail on it's head. NO, no way is God the author of confusion. there are so many religions in the world, and many denominations within them, and (everyone says that they are right, see the lie). not counting cults who accountability is to no one, but the one, or one's in charge. as the Lord Jesus said, "search the scriptures", and if you do, you'll find him. not that he don't know where you are, it's you just don't know where you are, and that's dangerous. but the benefit, people get tried of lies. and when that happens, they search for the TRUTH, and that's a GOOD thing. my advice, seek he while he can be found.
