My 9/24/17 response

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Hi all. I would like to say blessings to you in Christ, and I hope you are doing well.

First off, I kindly would like to say that I'm not apologizing for my beliefs and convictions I had (at that time). On 9/20/17 I did however apologize in my thread for upsetting or offending others with my personal responses, if I did. There is no sin in loving the Lord's appearing, 2 Tim 4:8. End time discussion always gets personal and arbitrary, and I understand that completely.

Getting eschatology wrong does not make you a false (name here), it simply means that eschatology is something that you're passionate about and enjoy studying in your walk with Christ. Not everyone enjoys it, in fact I believe it's one of the most difficult challenges for a Christian to pursue. It takes prayer, discernment, risk, humility and courage to even approach it.

I could easily have done my studies in private, but I chose to share them on the Internet (on an eschatology page). I could of easily taken the path of the hermitage, and I'm sure many have in regards to Rev 12:1-5 sign, 1 Thess 4:9-12. Since the Rev 12:1-5 sign only occurred once in 7,000 years I felt it necessary to study the appropriate text, and if the pharisees would like to stone me to death then go ahead. I am covered in the blood of Jesus, and there is no condemnation for those in Christ. I am already dead, Acts 7:54-60, (Acts 7:60), Rom 6:3, Gal 2:20, Col 3:3.

Eschatology is made up of 1/4 of the entire Bible, so to ignore it is to ignore His Word. For example, some might say we can't know the day and hour so it's pointless to study end times scripture, and I would have to disagree since Daniel and John have already given us a day count. It's easier and safer to say nothing will happen rather then study His Word and take that risk, and that is what I will continue to do because I love that part of His Word. I love the risk.

Studying eschatology does not bring me pain, it brings me joy. The only truth you will ever find is in the Word of God, and I will continue to search for that truth. To me, being wrong in eschatology is more confirmation that I'm on the right path. It does not weaken my walk with Christ, rather it strengthens it. I can finally check the errors off my list and move forward (with feelings of relief). However, going back to my original studies I do believe this was the Rev 12:1-5 sign that came to fulfillment in the heavens. How God fulfills it on earth is a completely different matter, for He is the one that is Sovereign.

Since the rapture did not occur does that mean the rapture doesn't exist, no (1 Thess 4:13, 18, Titus 2:13, Rev 12:5). It just means that we need to learn more about who Jesus Christ is and what He is trying to reveal to us. Abba Father is in control, and I am merely the student. The good news is that people still have time to come to a saving faith and knowledge of Jesus Christ, and at the end of the day that is what is most important. If you're not sure you have eternal life through Jesus Christ please consider.. John 3:3-7, John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Rom 6:23, Rom 10:9-10, 1 John 5:9-15.

God bless you, love you in Christ. - Heb 13:8, Col 3:15

Why is it that Our Lord Has Tarried Till Now? Why Has not the Redeemer Returned Long Ere This?

1. because God would give man full opportunity to develop his schemes and thereby demonstrate the world's need of a competent Ruler.
2. in order that God might fully display His long-sufferance.
3. third, in order that God might fully test the faith of His own people.
 

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Why is it that Our Lord Has Tarried Till Now? Why Has not the Redeemer Returned Long Ere This?

1. because God would give man full opportunity to develop his schemes and thereby demonstrate the world's need of a competent Ruler.
2. in order that God might fully display His long-sufferance.
3. third, in order that God might fully test the faith of His own people.

nope, the Lord is waiting for the last soul to cross over. then He will release His wrath. He's not going to exercise His vengeance one moment sooner. this is the statement that says it in a nut shell.


Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

that verse the Lord Jesus stopped in the middle of reads:

Isa_61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;


note the next thing to be fulfilled "and the day of vengeance of our God" which hasn't been proclaimed as of yet, which is what will come to pass when Jesus retruns. so the Lord our God awaits the last soul, then and the day of vengeance of our God shall be proclaimed. and the next event will be comfort all that mourn.
 

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note the next thing to be fulfilled "and the day of vengeance of our God" which hasn't been proclaimed as of yet, which is what will come to pass when Jesus retruns. so the Lord our God awaits the last soul, then and the day of vengeance of our God shall be proclaimed. and the next event will be comfort all that mourn.

I can't go with you there...
We know the original was in Isaiah 61
Jesus quoted it in Luke 4. As we know..Jesus did not say the last bit..." And the vengeance of our God."
I do not understand why people still think....after ALL Jesus came to do in fulfilling His Fathers Will and Plan..planned "from BEFORE the foundation of the earth"...that God is just waiting eagerly and expectantly for the Day of His Vengeance!!! o_O

The reason why Jesus did not quote that last part in Luke 4 ...was because He knew that = "the buck stops right here"... He knew that HE was the last part of that fulfillment..HIMSELF!!
He had come to draw all judgement upon Himself...to take all the punishment.
God is not eagerly waiting for any Day of Vengeance.
The judgement of everyman's hearts and works yes, but day vengeance no. That took place on the Cross..
"God shall see of the travail of His soul, and shall be satisfied.. "

Just my two cents.
 

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I can't go with you there...
We know the original was in Isaiah 61
Jesus quoted it in Luke 4. As we know..Jesus did not say the last bit..." And the vengeance of our God."
I do not understand why people still think....after ALL Jesus came to do in fulfilling His Fathers Will and Plan..planned "from BEFORE the foundation of the earth"...that God is just waiting eagerly and expectantly for the Day of His Vengeance!!! o_O

The reason why Jesus did not quote that last part in Luke 4 ...was because He knew that = "the buck stops right here"... He knew that HE was the last part of that fulfillment..HIMSELF!!
He had come to draw all judgement upon Himself...to take all the punishment.
God is not eagerly waiting for any Day of Vengeance.
The judgement of everyman's hearts and works yes, but day vengeance no. That took place on the Cross..
"God shall see of the travail of His soul, and shall be satisfied.. "

Just my two cents.

nope sorry Jesus is that very act of vengeance when He places His feet on the mt of Olives. the decision to do so has been made way back, hence the prophecy itself. and I didn't say God is hanging on the edge of His throne just waiting to destroy. I said He is waiting for the last soul to cross because the vengeance is already in place, and He holds it back. God has done this once before with Noah, why would you think He shouldn't do it again especially when the world has been warned as far back as over 2000 years.

God is nice to you if you are one of His, but that's not the case for the children of hell is it?


Mat_23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Act_13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?


also see Mat 13:36 - 43 not to mention the many, many scriptures written by the prophets. just as salvation is fulfilled, so shall the rest be fulfilled and its all through God's Word of which we know is Jesus Christ the Son of God.

it would be unrealistic for the faithful to expect anything else.
 

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nope sorry Jesus is that very act of vengeance when He places His feet on the mt of Olives. the decision to do so has been made way back, hence the prophecy itself. and I didn't say God is hanging on the edge of His throne just waiting to destroy. I said He is waiting for the last soul to cross because the vengeance is already in place, and He holds it back. God has done this once before with Noah, why would you think He shouldn't do it again especially when the world has been warned as far back as over 2000 years.

God is nice to you if you are one of His, but that's not the case for the children of hell is it?


Mat_23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Act_13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?


also see Mat 13:36 - 43 not to mention the many, many scriptures written by the prophets. just as salvation is fulfilled, so shall the rest be fulfilled and its all through God's Word of which we know is Jesus Christ the Son of God.

it would be unrealistic for the faithful to expect anything else.

Okay, no worries.
It's just a case of -" you in your small corner and I in mine." :D
We shall see.
 
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Hi all. I would like to say blessings to you in Christ, and I hope you are doing well.

First off, I kindly would like to say that I'm not apologizing for my beliefs and convictions I had (at that time). On 9/20/17 I did however apologize in my thread for upsetting or offending others with my personal responses, if I did. There is no sin in loving the Lord's appearing, 2 Tim 4:8. End time discussion always gets personal and arbitrary, and I understand that completely.

Getting eschatology wrong does not make you a false (name here) prophet


No we are not to ignore the study of prophecy but we are accountable to what we teach. For someone to claim he loves the Lord Jesus, and then act like the world, makes a mockery of every Christian. This is the demeanor of the world, “bad is good” and “wrong is right.”

The above is exactly what you teach when you do not apologize to Christians you have wronged. If I may borrow the Lord’s words: “Get behind me Satan!” Not that you are Satan but this is how Satan would act.

Consider the passages below:

Deuteronomy 13:3,5; 18:20-22:

Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.”
5 “And that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out from the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out from the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.”


20 “But the prophet which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.”
21 “And if thou say in your heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?”
22 “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”


Still no desire to apologize? Then consider this caution:

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

To God Be The Glory
 
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it would be unrealistic for the faithful to expect anything else.
ya no, those are believers, not faithful, and you are like the type of guy who goes to car races hoping for a big wreck or something lol, yikes. God save us all from Christian Believers, bunch of bloodthirsty freaks you ask me
 

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God has done this once before with Noah, why would you think He shouldn't do it again
are you serious, i mean what, you need a Bible 101 lesson here or what DP
because He promised He wouldn't do it again, hello

Quote me some Scripture of God treating any children of hell any different, while i just hold my breath

see you in about a week, if you got the stones to admit you can't find any that is.

Please tell me you are kept away from the public, sheesh
 
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Hi all. I would like to say blessings to you in Christ, and I hope you are doing well.

First off, I kindly would like to say that I'm not apologizing for my beliefs and convictions I had (at that time). On 9/20/17 I did however apologize in my thread for upsetting or offending others with my personal responses, if I did. There is no sin in loving the Lord's appearing, 2 Tim 4:8. End time discussion always gets personal and arbitrary, and I understand that completely.

Getting eschatology wrong does not make you a false (name here), it simply means that eschatology is something that you're passionate about and enjoy studying in your walk with Christ. Not everyone enjoys it, in fact I believe it's one of the most difficult challenges for a Christian to pursue. It takes prayer, discernment, risk, humility and courage to even approach it.

I could easily have done my studies in private, but I chose to share them on the Internet (on an eschatology page). I could of easily taken the path of the hermitage, and I'm sure many have in regards to Rev 12:1-5 sign, 1 Thess 4:9-12. Since the Rev 12:1-5 sign only occurred once in 7,000 years I felt it necessary to study the appropriate text, and if the pharisees would like to stone me to death then go ahead. I am covered in the blood of Jesus, and there is no condemnation for those in Christ. I am already dead, Acts 7:54-60, (Acts 7:60), Rom 6:3, Gal 2:20, Col 3:3.

Eschatology is made up of 1/4 of the entire Bible, so to ignore it is to ignore His Word. For example, some might say we can't know the day and hour so it's pointless to study end times scripture, and I would have to disagree since Daniel and John have already given us a day count. It's easier and safer to say nothing will happen rather then study His Word and take that risk, and that is what I will continue to do because I love that part of His Word. I love the risk.

Studying eschatology does not bring me pain, it brings me joy. The only truth you will ever find is in the Word of God, and I will continue to search for that truth. To me, being wrong in eschatology is more confirmation that I'm on the right path. It does not weaken my walk with Christ, rather it strengthens it. I can finally check the errors off my list and move forward (with feelings of relief). However, going back to my original studies I do believe this was the Rev 12:1-5 sign that came to fulfillment in the heavens. How God fulfills it on earth is a completely different matter, for He is the one that is Sovereign.

Since the rapture did not occur does that mean the rapture doesn't exist, no (1 Thess 4:13, 18, Titus 2:13, Rev 12:5). It just means that we need to learn more about who Jesus Christ is and what He is trying to reveal to us. Abba Father is in control, and I am merely the student. The good news is that people still have time to come to a saving faith and knowledge of Jesus Christ, and at the end of the day that is what is most important. If you're not sure you have eternal life through Jesus Christ please consider.. John 3:3-7, John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Rom 6:23, Rom 10:9-10, 1 John 5:9-15.

God bless you, love you in Christ. - Heb 13:8, Col 3:15

Why is it that Our Lord Has Tarried Till Now? Why Has not the Redeemer Returned Long Ere This?

1. because God would give man full opportunity to develop his schemes and thereby demonstrate the world's need of a competent Ruler.
2. in order that God might fully display His long-sufferance.
3. third, in order that God might fully test the faith of His own people.
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Hi Jun2u. No, I'm not apologizing for studying the Word of God


I was NOT speaking about the study of the Word of God, rather about the lie you told concerning the date/return of Christ on September 23, 2017, which you deliberately ignored, even after Jesus said “no one knows the day or the hour?”

You acted like God knowing more than Jesus! You did know that Jesus never ceased to be God while on earth and therefore knew everything, right?

Since you admitted to studying Scriptures, tell me, what part of Deuteronomy did you not understand that is plain to see, that even a six year old who can read could understand?

A child of God should be able to teach and also be taught. What I see in you is no remorse but full of arrogance. But that’s between you and God. Your credibility is now suspect.

To God Be The Glory
 
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Hi Jun2u. No, I'm not apologizing for studying the Word of God.



"It's easier and safer to say nothing will happen rather then study His Word and take that risk". - Heb 13:8
When you are certain it is Him there is no risk.....But get ready for the onslaught of other 'believers'
 

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Hi all. I would like to say blessings to you in Christ, and I hope you are doing well.

First off, I kindly would like to say that I'm not apologizing for my beliefs and convictions I had (at that time). On 9/20/17 I did however apologize in my thread for upsetting or offending others with my personal responses, if I did. There is no sin in loving the Lord's appearing, 2 Tim 4:8. End time discussion always gets personal and arbitrary, and I understand that completely.

Getting eschatology wrong does not make you a false (name here), it simply means that eschatology is something that you're passionate about and enjoy studying in your walk with Christ. Not everyone enjoys it, in fact I believe it's one of the most difficult challenges for a Christian to pursue. It takes prayer, discernment, risk, humility and courage to even approach it.

I could easily have done my studies in private, but I chose to share them on the Internet (on an eschatology page). I could of easily taken the path of the hermitage, and I'm sure many have in regards to Rev 12:1-5 sign, 1 Thess 4:9-12. Since the Rev 12:1-5 sign only occurred once in 7,000 years I felt it necessary to study the appropriate text, and if the pharisees would like to stone me to death then go ahead. I am covered in the blood of Jesus, and there is no condemnation for those in Christ. I am already dead, Acts 7:54-60, (Acts 7:60), Rom 6:3, Gal 2:20, Col 3:3.

Eschatology is made up of 1/4 of the entire Bible, so to ignore it is to ignore His Word. For example, some might say we can't know the day and hour so it's pointless to study end times scripture, and I would have to disagree since Daniel and John have already given us a day count. It's easier and safer to say nothing will happen rather then study His Word and take that risk, and that is what I will continue to do because I love that part of His Word. I love the risk.

Studying eschatology does not bring me pain, it brings me joy. The only truth you will ever find is in the Word of God, and I will continue to search for that truth. To me, being wrong in eschatology is more confirmation that I'm on the right path. It does not weaken my walk with Christ, rather it strengthens it. I can finally check the errors off my list and move forward (with feelings of relief). However, going back to my original studies I do believe this was the Rev 12:1-5 sign that came to fulfillment in the heavens. How God fulfills it on earth is a completely different matter, for He is the one that is Sovereign.

Hi Heb 13:8. I just wanted to reply to your post because I thought it's very brave of you to post it. I know a lot of people would have probably cut and run after a prediction date like that failed. So...respect.
I do heartily disagree with your date-setting, but I think we can agree to disagree there and set it aside.

I agree that there is no sin in loving the Lord's appearing, or finding eschatology fascinating or a joy to study. In fact, I find it boggling that a lot of the Christians I know don't really think about it much. o_O

This last month has taught me to loosen some tightly held convictions I've previously held. I am no longer 100% sure which End Times 'school' I land in, and surprisingly, I'm okay with that. There has been so many, well, I suppose you'd have to call them signs of the times, this month, that barely a day has passed without something. The eclipse, earthquakes, hurricanes, solar flares, meteor showers (in Australia), volcanoes rumbling to life, bush fires. The North Korea thing, Russia, Iran... And that's not even going into the Political/racial/leftist stuff at the moment. I think we can say without a doubt that things are heating up. The problem is, we don't yet know how 'hot' God has decreed things to get before he will intervene.

Since the rapture did not occur does that mean the rapture doesn't exist, no (1 Thess 4:13, 18, Titus 2:13, Rev 12:5). It just means that we need to learn more about who Jesus Christ is and what He is trying to reveal to us. Abba Father is in control, and I am merely the student. The good news is that people still have time to come to a saving faith and knowledge of Jesus Christ, and at the end of the day that is what is most important. If you're not sure you have eternal life through Jesus Christ please consider.. John 3:3-7, John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Rom 6:23, Rom 10:9-10, 1 John 5:9-15.

God bless you, love you in Christ. - Heb 13:8, Col 3:15

Why is it that Our Lord Has Tarried Till Now? Why Has not the Redeemer Returned Long Ere This?

1. because God would give man full opportunity to develop his schemes and thereby demonstrate the world's need of a competent Ruler.
2. in order that God might fully display His long-sufferance.
3. third, in order that God might fully test the faith of His own people.

No, the rapture most certainly does exist! When...that would be the big question! I suppose, if I could urge you in going forward. Be a little more circumspect about putting a date on it, even if you really like a particular date! There are so many reasons it could go wrong. We are only human, and as best we try, our interpretations of God's word is only human. I don't think he ever intended us to know the exact day, but even if he did, there is no guarantee that human understanding would find it. You're not alone in the desire to know that moment...that wonderful moment when we see our Lord face to face. But if a date comes and goes and he doesn't return, so much can be broken...is it worth it?

And I feel I must add: the last time we talked I was quite angry and dismissive of your date setting. So, I don't blame you if you brush aside my advice. I apologize for my attitude, but I do see the harm in setting dates. There are currently numerous derogatory news articles circulating about the Christians, who thought the world was going to end. They mock us. They mock God. But as dismissive to you as I was, you did make me think about things, and do some research on other things, and I want to thank you for that.