Is the Bible lying ?... Was Jesus?

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Most Christians I have met, from whichever denomination, has a lot of trouble believing that the Resurrected Jesus, can and does choose to Manifest Himself at times, so I went looking in the Bible....The following is some of what I found...( I can't physically type the entire chapters, so please read them for yourselves )
Matthew 28 : All
Speaks of the women going to the tomb, finding the angels there who tell them He is Risen and to go tell the disciples, saying :" He will go before you into Galilee."
Jesus then comes to them and His final Word to them is this :" I am with you ALWAYS, even till the end of the age ( or world as it says in some translations ).
Mark 16 : All

Reads very similar to the book of Matthew....Mary told the disciples....They didn't believe the women.
Jesus met two men on the road.........They told the disciples.....They didn't believe them.
Mk16:14 In this verse Jesus appears before the 11 and rebukes them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had Risen.

Luke 24 : All
A man who is named Cleopas and another man are on a road, Jesus goes with them, and He ends up having dinner with them, and as He does and breaks the bread, He vanishes before their sight and they suddenly know who had been sharing their time and food with them.
It makes a point of saying that Jesus opened the SCRIPTURES for them...Whenever scripture is referred to, it is talking about the Law and the Prophets. He showed them how He had fulfilled them, it says....
In verse 36......Jesus comes among the disciples and speaks to Thomas:
" Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself...Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bone, as you see I HAVE."
He goes on to tell them they will receive the promised Holy Spirit from the Father..

John 20 and 21 :
Jn:20 is filled with references with Jesus being seen and heard for some time after He had Risen.
Jn20:27....Then Jesus said to Thomas:" Reach your finger here and look at My hands, and reach your hand and put it into My side.
Do not be unbelieving BUT believing."
29) Because you have seen Me, you believe. Blessed are they who have not seen and believed
All these things were before the Day of Pentecost.
Acts 2: 21 And it shall come to pass, that WHOEVER calls upon the name of the Lord, SHALL BE SAVED......

I am, but one of many, who can verify the Truth of those written words. I was blessed to be saved upon calling and witness to both His appearance and the fact that He can be solid, as I was able to lean on Him at a certain time.
Yet I get ridiculed and outright rejected, made fun of, have to endure endless sarcastic remarks, EVEN when people can find the very things I pass on, in their Bibles, it may be written in slightly different language, but it is the same.... He is capable of speaking quite normal, but we have always been able to see, when someone has shown me a scripture, exactly what He's saying.......
So what am I supposed to do with that ????
Am I supposed to say to Him :" Lord this is just too hard, I had better not speak up...Perhaps I should give in to those who reject what you do and say ? Give in to the hurt and discomfort in having so many people, who say they are believers in you, turn on me and basically calling me a liar, for only saying what You said to me ?
Or perhaps I will remember the last words you spoke to me that first night :" Remember ! I am always here, whether you can see Me or not ! With the last words He disappeared from my sight, but I could still hear Him..
John 14:18......"I will not leave you orphans.
I will come to you.".
John 14:21.....They who love Me will be loved by My Father and I will love them and manifest Myself to them."........

WAS HE LYING ?

John 17:3.........And this is eternal Life....That they may KNOW You, the only True God AND Jesus Christ, whom You sent....

The point, as I have been shown so far, is that we have been given the opportunity to have a restored relationship with God, but as yet we cannot stand before Him......
But we can stand before Jesus and He before us, and once we believe with all of our hearts, we can also receive the promise, The Holy Spirit to be ANOTHER Helper.........
Adam walked in the garden in the cool of the day WITH God...
We are offered to LIVE with Him, while here on earth with Jesus and the Holy Spirit ( who are one with the Father ).

Humans may be the only creatures, we are aware of, who can CHOOSE to Love and appreciate God.
Angels may know how to praise Him but LOVE is the very substance of God, which He used when He made man. But it got soiled and mixed up with another substance, which has now been condemned to the flesh, thanks to what Jesus did.
We are now able to stand IN Christ, clean and pure, forgiven and accepted in the Beloved, and invited into fellowship with Him.....In and through His Spirit...

WE LOVE HIM BECAUSE HE FIRST LOVED US !!!!!!!!!

So to those here who think it good sport to have cheap shots at me, bring it on, because I am not running...
I am no teacher nor preacher, but I do have a couple of things to share, which I KNOW to be the total 100% Truth, as well as an invitation to give, that He asked me to give, but not here.

Why should I not tell the Truth ?
 

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Yet I get ridiculed and outright rejected, made fun of, have to endure endless sarcastic remarks, EVEN when people can find the very things I pass on, in their Bibles,


Why not pass on some truths that aren't recorded in the bible?
 
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Here? You must be joking?

Then why bring up your encounter at all?

Anyone can say they came face to face with Jesus and the things He said line up perfectly with scripture. I've actually crossed paths with a few of those individuals. I was hoping you were different.

You should've put your visit in the Testimonies Forum and left it there.
 
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Then why bring up your encounter at all?

Anyone can say they came face to face with Jesus and the things He said line up perfectly with scripture. I've actually crossed paths with a few of those individuals. I was hoping you were different.

You should've put your visit in the Testimonies Forum and left it there.
Should the writers of the NT books have declined to write them? The Book of Acts does continue after verse 28:31. God's work is not done and much of it or even most of it goes through His available people.
 
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Why not pass on some truths that aren't recorded in the bible?
What do you suppose a testimony is? Sometimes God wants us to share and, yes, discuss with others what He has done for us? Has God done nothing for you?
 
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What do you suppose a testimony is? Sometimes God wants us to share and, yes, discuss with others what He has done for us? Has God done nothing for you?

This individual is not willing to do that.
 
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What do you suppose a testimony is? Sometimes God wants us to share and, yes, discuss with others what He has done for us? Has God done nothing for you?

Not everything that happens in your relationship with God should be for public consumption. Sometimes, it's nobody's business but your own, otherwise, there is bound to be a backlash. Relationships are built on trust and when in a relationship you don't blab every little detail of it to anyone within earshot, do you? If I wanted to hear the nitty-gritty details, the visions, the dreams and what God has done specifically for you personally, perhaps the Testimony forum is a place for that, yes?
 

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If it is indeed God's work, why would anyone refuse to share those revelations?
This individual is not willing to do that.
Oh, but she has shared many of them if you were paying attention and not looking for what you expected to see, but in spite of this remember the meaning of these words:

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1
"A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:7

Jesus most certainly did:

"Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly." Matt 27:13-14

That individual was not willing to open his mouth when he had nothing to say. Should someone have twisted his arm? Did they not in effect do something much worse than twist his arm?

We are not Jesus, but who is to tell us when are and when we are to speak or not... other than God? Must we share every secret that God has shared with us because you or me or someone else would feel more comfortable if we did?
 
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As I said: Anyone can say they came face to face with Jesus and the things He said line up perfectly with scripture.
 

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Not everything that happens in your relationship with God should be for public consumption. Sometimes, it's nobody's business but your own, otherwise, there is bound to be a backlash. Relationships are built on trust and when in a relationship you don't blab every little detail of it to anyone within earshot, do you? If I wanted to hear the nitty-gritty details, the visions, the dreams and what God has done specifically for you personally, perhaps the Testimony forum is a place for that, yes?
I most certainly agree that it is often no one else's business, but sometimes it is and sometimes it is something that needs discussions rather than just posting in a place of little or no discussion. The posted has to decide what it is. Sometime he does it right [in God's eyes] and sometimes he misses the mark. Who has not missed a mark at times? I am certainly in that crowd, for crown it certain would have to be.
 
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well when it comes to the Lord appearances in scripture it seems there is more than one witness to that event. Moses was alone at first but there was plenty of witnesses afterwards that could attest to the truth of whether God was with Moses or not. the Lord proved His Prophets and the apostles were not alone. also even when the Lord appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus there were witnesses to the effect that something spectacular was happening. so if the appearance is private maybe it should remain private unless the Lord Himself proves it to the public.
 

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Then why bring up your encounter at all?

Anyone can say they came face to face with Jesus and the things He said line up perfectly with scripture. I've actually crossed paths with a few of those individuals. I was hoping you were different.

You should've put your visit in the Testimonies Forum and left it there.
I actually thought of doing that, but then the problem becomes one of......'But that's not in the Bible ! " or "It says it different in the Bible", so you tell me, why should I do that ?....Don't you think I get enough ridicule as it is...My testimony I send privately to those who have asked over many years, and believe me there have only been a few, so for the most part, on forums people are not really interested in that, just who's right about various scriptures, it's quite funny really at times, but can also bring me to tears.......I have had people who have known me for more than 20 years finally coming to me after years and saying that they now know I was not putting anyone on, and that can be a satisfying feeling, but then I am not in for my feeling.
One thing I can tell you here, is that at NO time did Jesus tell me, that now I needed to go and get a Bible to read all about Him......You can take that whichever way you wish.
I too have met a few pretenders but they are quickly found out, because they go by second hand (modern0 testimonies and pretend it's their own...Saw a couple once trying to rip all of us off, at a church.. They seemed nice, took care of the kids 'Sunday' school meetings and all.......but I spent some time with them, and they ended up embarrassing the Pastor so very much and they 'borrowed' 1600 Aus. dollars from my daughter, which they made zero attempt to pay back. We found out later that they had traveled the entire west coast from top to bottom picking out small fellowships, taking on the jobs no one else really wanted to do, and got their in that way........but they were fairly quickly revealed to be as fake as a million dollar bill......Sad for my daughter as she got very hurt, even though I paid her back the money over some months, but it is difficult to this day for my daughter to want to outright trust any Christian, and obviously we were all too willing to accept them in , and were fooled by their 'rehearsing and speaking' of other peoples revelations, they had come across whatever way.
If you believe me to be so, that would sadden me, but I guess I can't blame you, as most of the time those who say they have revelation, simply don't.....shows the sad state of today's church, at least the one out in the open....
I had hoped that by NOT just using the Bible, you would have picked up on the straight forwardness I use.
But it's fine Job.....I can certainly stop writing to you if you so wish ?
All the very best to you Job, have enjoyed a lot of your writing...The Lord be with you in all that you do !
 

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why wasn't this in my 'new posts?' hmm
I find that too, sometimes I don't get my ones and sometimes as I hit post with some of my replies, it just disappears and I can't find them again. So weird at times....:)
 

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Then why bring up your encounter at all?

Anyone can say they came face to face with Jesus and the things He said line up perfectly with scripture. I've actually crossed paths with a few of those individuals. I was hoping you were different.

You should've put your visit in the Testimonies Forum and left it there.
I just thought....So it would be more accurate to call this forum 'Bible Debating Forum'.....If I had known that I wouldn't have joined. I had hoped to meet up with like minded Christians, and thankfully there are a few here, even if we have gotten to the Truth in different ways...alas, the Truth speaks for itself and needs no defending, thus, fairly easy to divide.
I just think it a shame that the Love which He has for us, is largely lost in all this posturing and debating over doubtful things.
He loves us with a Love almost no one here seems to recognize, which is the biggest pity of them all.
Hadn't heard back from you about if you want me to not write to you again, so just sneaking this in before I get your response....
Wasn't it also you who said you would not post your spiritual things on this forum?? Apologies if it wasn't you !
All the best on your journey, oh and one last little thing....I would not DARE to say anything about Jesus, which wasn't the absolute truth. I have to stand before Him and give account later, so why on earth would I or anyone even do that ??? Which is also why I don't even respond to some posts, because I don't have any Truth from Him about it.
Ok, sorry I veer again......God bless you Job
 

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Yes it was and now you're experiencing the reasons why.
Which is why your response surprised me a little. It was as if you were saying I should just post the Testimony and then crawl under a rock somewhere....
I purposely stick to the things other believers have shown me does exist in the Bible, as I have found that most Christians won't even begin to talk with you, unless you do so.....
But others I just write with privately, there is no point me going on and on in large posts if it all just gets rejected without a single thought, as I see so many doing here...
Well I am glad that we sorted that one out.... :)