Islam and Christianity; truth?

Oh i see the word Whor* or we call today a call girl or hooker has been censored out by the forum board well I guess then the board also claims to be holier than god King james version ezekiel 23 .that word is used there multiple times as well as many other places in the book

(desertdude;33364)
whirlwind for the sake of argument all that crap you put in your post say it true ( which 99 percent insnt ).Lets look at your proof your book which you claim to be the word of god. Whirlwind it is a book filled with stories of incest,sexual escapedes and what not .And was even banned by the christian south african goverment censor board which also consisted of 2 christian scholars.( when a part from the book of ezekiel was printed on a flyer ) even the christian scholars failed to realise what they labeled as pornography was actually a qoutation from the bible. Now tell me can you read out loud this filth in front of your family .I dare you .And if have any shred of modesty in you you wont be able to .Try ezekiel 23 from one of christandoms greatest version of the bible .My Lord what is all that about what kind of language in being used in the so called word of god . Ezekiel 23:5 according to that verse your lord has a ***** as a wife ( does that shock you well if god has no problem in using the word ***** why cant I ,dont tell me your holy'er than god ,when he can speak it you sould have no trouble hearing it ) Sweet moses what pourpose all these stories of incest and sex described in great detail have anything to do with guidance and i refuse to believe that god can ever speak such language . Whirlwind u wanna start explaning the bible to me then here you go as allways i'll start from genisis 1.1 gods makes light and calls it day v 4 god makes 2 lights sun and moon .How the source of light comes after light itself .if 1st he made sun then light no worries then .Also still in v3 he makes 2 lights sun and moon .today even a 6 yr old will tell you the moons light is not its own it does not emit light it only refelts the light of the sun.I can go on and on and on and on . It has to be the most contradictory book in exsistance today. Another little fact .The accesion of jesus a key article of faith is mentioned in only two of your gospels but him riding a donkey into jurusalem in almost word to word is there in every bible.Now you tell me as a chirstian which is more important to you his riding a donkey or his acension to heaven. If you can logically answer all the questions I have ( and these are not even the tip of the iceberg) I annouce to all people here I am ready to denouce Islam as my religon and ready to be baptised as a christian today in any church of your choosing I'll probaly be banned from this forum for saying what i have said cuz that is what usally happens when u actually pose a serious question ?My thread on jesus has been floating here for a week and only one person has actually decided to actually come up with something . I urge all of my christian brethren to stop watching and getting influenced by the anti islam propoganda machine and actually using ur own brains to come up with answers
Dear desertdude, there is no contradictions. You can not look at the bible with a mere human mind, which means you can't look at a human perspective. You got to look at His Words at His perspective. No where in the bible says God has a literal/physical wife. Nor does He need one at all.When God created "light" (Day) in Genesis 1:3 it wasn't talking about the sun and the moon. For the sun and the moon was created at Genesis 1:16. I am not allowed to believe in a human perespective (taking it literally) but God's perspective (His mind of thinking, spiritually thinking) A human can not grow in His ways if they are so carnally.Once again desertdude, Islam has lied to every single soul on this planet. Christ alone is the one that can free every single soul that wants to be with Him personally and Truth gaining. It hurts to see this lies. Am I crazy to believe this? No! All the deceptions from Satan makes the righteous sad. I can't even see why men hates Christ, and His Truth...I love you desertdude.Jag

As always u'll never get a proper answer to any question .My friend the bible is a contradiction after contradiction .This is a default stand my christian bretren make when poked a little. Bro's and sis's how manyhave you actually read the quran ( or even alittle of it )or understand the religon you so blatantly drag thru the Mud .What most of you put up as very well reseached and wise questions are based on you knowledge of what you seen on tv.newspapers and hearsay. If you read the book and know the religon you have the full right to question.I can without a doubt claim I know more about the bible and christianty than most of you know the quran and Islam. Brother jag "you"people take the open liberty to take your own scriptures literally when its serves your cause and talk about not to take the words of the bible literally when its going against logic and contradicting itself. I dont care to win a debate of anything of the sort ,but when I see the hate being spewed out It's hard to keep quite. I love my christians brethren some of my best friends ,mentors,teachers are christians but I never seen such Ignorant behaviour from any of them .If you have questions or doubts about Islam dont sit in the comfort of this chirstian "room"and spew out hate and lies ,try to put forward your inquires in a islamic forum or try to enlighten them as u like to call it .There are many stauch believers of the christian faith having proper debates some are even preaching .But just blurting out crap out loud duznt make it right

(desertdude;33376)
As always u'll never get a proper answer to any question .My friend the bible is a contradiction after contradiction .This is a default stand my christian bretren make when poked a little. Bro's and sis's how manyhave you actually read the quran ( or even alittle of it )or understand the religon you so blatantly drag thru the Mud .What most of you put up as very well reseached and wise questions are based on you knowledge of what you seen on tv.newspapers and hearsay. If you read the book and know the religon you have the full right to question.I can without a doubt claim I know more about the bible and christianty than most of you know the quran and Islam. Brother jag "you"people take the open liberty to take your own scriptures literally when its serves your cause and talk about not to take the words of the bible literally when its going against logic and contradicting itself. I dont care to win a debate of anything of the sort ,but when I see the hate being spewed out It's hard to keep quite. I love my christians brethren some of my best friends ,mentors,teachers are christians but I never seen such Ignorant behaviour from any of them .If you have questions or doubts about Islam dont sit in the comfort of this chirstian "room"and spew out hate and lies ,try to put forward your inquires in a islamic forum or try to enlighten them as u like to call it .There are many stauch believers of the christian faith having proper debates some are even preaching .But just blurting out crap out loud duznt make it right
... *sigh* You do not know what we hate. Do we hate muslims the day they were born? (Arabs) No! In fact we love ALL human beings as we are human beings. The only soul we hate 100% is Satan, even though He was made by God. We hate the deceptions that came from Satan. (IE, Islam, denominations that is man-made Christianity) We as Christians loves the muslim so much to try to at least reach you into reality. If you think the Living God can create contradictions, then you have made Him a liar. If He is a liar, then what is Truth?My war is not with Muslims or Christians or Buddhist, My war is against Satan and His deceptions. His deceptions are leading souls where most people don't want to go...which is the second death, the Lake of Fire.I hate Satan with a passion. He wants to be God, and you will claim it to be in the future.To be quite, even true Christians can't win against the Devil and his wicked lies. All we can do is slow it down.If I take His Word in a literal sense, then yes it does create contradictions, if I take His Word in His perspective and not our human reasoning, then no it's not a contradictions. These apparent contradictions are only contradictions in our flesh eyes, It is not in our spiritual eyes and ears. (Proverbs 3:5-7, Isaiah 55:8-9)If you know His Words more than we do in your Qu'ran...Let me ask you a couple question, who is the father of Cain? What was Eve's sin? And how many years are in 1 Day?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

Oh plz bro ..................dont start a debate with me .U cant answer 1/100th of the question I can put up .As atheist85 say most of answers will be its a miracle .Thats the basis for most of your logic .I dont want miracles I want proof n logic

(desertdude;33390)
Oh plz bro ..................dont start a debate with me .U cant answer 1/100th of the question I can put up .As atheist85 say most of answers will be its a miracle .Thats the basis for most of your logic .I dont want miracles I want proof n logic
As you wish as it is a sin for to debate against the Word of the Living God. (Romans 1:29) but it's not a sin to debate a men's evil doctrine. Hey at least I can answer my own question with His Word and not my own mere opinion...Read Romans 3:4JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

(desertdude;33364)
whirlwind for the sake of argument all that crap you put in your post say it true ( which 99 percent insnt ).Lets look at your proof your book which you claim to be the word of god. Whirlwind it is a book filled with stories of incest,sexual escapedes and what not .And was even banned by the christian south african goverment censor board which also consisted of 2 christian scholars.( when a part from the book of ezekiel was printed on a flyer ) even the christian scholars failed to realise what they labeled as pornography was actually a qoutation from the bible.
There is a lot of "human" activity because He is teaching us to NOT SIN.....in other words HE DOES NOT CONDONE IT! He has laws AGAINST IT!
Now tell me can you read out loud this filth in front of your family .I dare you .And if have any shred of modesty in you you wont be able to .Try ezekiel 23 from one of christandoms greatest version of the bible .My Lord what is all that about what kind of language in being used in the so called word of god .
Of course I would read it to anyone. Perhaps you don't understand it. God is teaching about the house of Israel and the house of Judah...both of whom are committing adultery/idolatry with false religion...other gods. He uses a simply language and manner of speech so it can be understood by us. He does not want us selling ourselves / worshipping others.
Ezekiel 23:5 according to that verse your lord has a ***** as a wife ( does that shock you well if god has no problem in using the word ***** why cant I ,dont tell me your holy'er than god ,when he can speak it you sould have no trouble hearing it )
If it shocks you how do you think He feels when He sees someone He loves in that position. He is telling us how He feels when a child of His worships a false god. I have no problem using that word or hearing it in the context of teaching or learning.
Sweet moses what pourpose all these stories of incest and sex described in great detail have anything to do with guidance and i refuse to believe that god can ever speak such language .
To teach us NOT TO DO THEM, to teach us there will be punishment for the offenses.
Whirlwind u wanna start explaning the bible to me then here you go as allways i'll start from genisis 1.1 gods makes light and calls it day v 4 god makes 2 lights sun and moon .How the source of light comes after light itself .if 1st he made sun then light no worries then .Also still in v3 he makes 2 lights sun and moon .today even a 6 yr old will tell you the moons light is not its own it does not emit light it only refelts the light of the sun.I can go on and on and on and on . It has to be the most contradictory book in exsistance today.
No, it isn't. You don't understand most of it and no one understands all of it but one day we will......it does not contradict.The "light" of Genesis 1:1 (before the sun) is Christ....guess who the darkness is? I don't understand what you mean about the moon reflecting light....why is that a problem? He said the moon rules the night...rules the darkness.
Another little fact .The accesion of jesus a key article of faith is mentioned in only two of your gospels but him riding a donkey into jurusalem in almost word to word is there in every bible.Now you tell me as a chirstian which is more important to you his riding a donkey or his acension to heaven.
They were all with Him when He rode in on the donkey. They scattered like sheep during His crucifixion. Of course His ascension was more important but so was the donkey. It also fulfilled prophecy.
If you can logically answer all the questions I have ( and these are not even the tip of the iceberg) I annouce to all people here I am ready to denouce Islam as my religon and ready to be baptised as a christian today in any church of your choosing
Do you think God wants you on those terms? He wants you because you believe in Him....not because someone did or did not answer a question.
I'll probaly be banned from this forum for saying what i have said cuz that is what usally happens when u actually pose a serious question ?My thread on jesus has been floating here for a week and only one person has actually decided to actually come up with something . I urge all of my christian brethren to stop watching and getting influenced by the anti islam propoganda machine and actually using ur own brains to come up with answers
What serious question is that? If I can I will answer it but if not perhaps someone else will be able to help. Also....I am not part of any propaganda machine but I do urge anyone to truly research everything about Islam...including what I posted. As far as I know that is truth..........Whirlwind

ps77, I think what alanforchrist told you was the best evidence of all. Where is Christ's body? We can go see the graves of all of the other great religious leaders and they are buried there. But, Jesus isn't in His grave. How amazing is that!!!! And the fact that the religious leaders of his day paid off the Roman cohart to say the disciples stole the body is even more "fishy". And how could they steal His body if a Roman cohart were present? Don't you think at least a few of the guards would have heard what was going on when they tried to remove the large stone? How do you explain what happened in nature and was recorded historically on crucifixion day? At noon, the earth grew dark. The temple veil was torn into from top to bottom. There was a great earthquake.It convinced on of the centurion soldiers that was gambling for Jesus' robe. Tombs in the graveyards were cracked opened. There were over 500 witnesses that said they saw the living Christ. Even when they were filming the movie "The Passion of the Christ", at the point of the crucifixion scene they experienced some supernatural things just like happened at the real event and it scared the non-Christians. You are right that it seems there is a Christianity vs. Islam battle going on at this site a lot. I can tell you that you need to beware of anything that takes away from Christ's Godliness. He was as much an expression of God as God Himself. Otherwise, He would not have been a perfect sacrifice for our sin debt. But, He had His Father's holy bloodline. Christ is so amazing and was totally obedient to the Father until His mission was complete. When you meet someone who has fallen in love with Him, you will truly know it. Make no mistake. He is alive because He lives in me. I can see him at work through the kindness and sacrificial love of others every day. Is there any other group or religion that is told to treat others as if they were Jesus and to live a life honoring your commitments. Here's another thing about the Bible and possible errors and lifestyles. I like the fact that it was written by imperfect men. I think God let us see the imperfections of these people so we would know that he can use us. He is the only one that is holy. But, he can take us where we are and clean us with red blood and make us white as snow (Isaiah 1:18). It encourages me to know that these Bible folks were just regular men and women who fell, yet were used mightily by the Lord. I'm not saying the Bible has mistakes. It may have some numbers here and there that aren't the same, but the message or heartbeat of it is consistant and I truly believe every Word to be exactly what we need.

Where is moses body?David,Ezikeil or all the biblical prophets ?

never mind the FACT that light is a physical property and does not need the sun to exsist so it is possible to create light then the sun and moon what about the fact that your scripture says that allah can do anything? seems to me that a muslim would be first inline to say that he can create light before sun and moonyou might as well strap a bomb to yourself now cause we are not converting and you are going against your own scripture by trying to convince us of anything other than what we know to be true : Christ is Lord creator and author of ALL thingsAnd fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors." (Qur'an, 2:190-192)"Fight those who do not believe in Allah...And the Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say Christ is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; Allah's curse be on them; how they are turned away!" (Koran 9:29-30) And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM (8:71)FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29) O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123) This is not a debate message board if your looking for one google it, this place is for people who have not made up there minds and are looking for TRUTH so if you want to debate/convert christians on what you belive go somewhere thats appropriate or be prepared to be violating your own scripture

YAWN ....................................when anything new wake me up

so you dont care that you are violating your own scripture by even arguing with us?

i guess your true motivation is clear thanyou are not a true muslimyou violate your own tenents and speak blasphemy against your own god

(ps77;33667)
That's because when moses wrote the book of genesis, their understanding was not that the light of the moon reflected light from the sun, it was that the moon was glowing all on its own.Also, this is not a contradiction, because there is another place in the bible where it talks about light without sun - when it is talking about heaven, or, the new earth.I would've picked Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2 for an argument towards contradictions personally. Two seperate stories people have been trying to explain away for centuries (speculation).
They are two separate stories because they are two separate events. In the 6th day God created mankind....all the races.On the 8th day He formed Adam. This was the line that would lead to our Saviour....completely separate from the 6th day creation.There is no contradiction.I edit to add here: Moses didn't write the Book of Genesis, God did and He had full understanding of the events that took place.....Whirlwind

(desertdude;33675)
Where is moses body?David,Ezikeil or all the biblical prophets ?
David was buried in Jerusalem...supposedly his grave is there.Moses supposedly "died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. (6) And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. [Deu.34:5-6]Ezekiel (or all the Biblical prophets).....I don't know, nor does it matter. We know where their souls are.......Whirlwind

desertdude: the bible is a contradiction after contradiction .Thunder1: REALLY ??!!

(Tehillah;33678)
never mind the FACT that light is a physical property and does not need the sun to exsist so it is possible to create light then the sun and moon what about the fact that your scripture says that allah can do anything? seems to me that a muslim would be first inline to say that he can create light before sun and moonyou might as well strap a bomb to yourself now cause we are not converting and you are going against your own scripture by trying to convince us of anything other than what we know to be true : Christ is Lord creator and author of ALL thingsAnd fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors." (Qur'an, 2:190-192)"Fight those who do not believe in Allah...And the Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say Christ is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; Allah's curse be on them; how they are turned away!" (Koran 9:29-30) And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM (8:71)FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29) O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123) This is not a debate message board if your looking for one google it, this place is for people who have not made up there minds and are looking for TRUTH so if you want to debate/convert christians on what you belive go somewhere thats appropriate or be prepared to be violating your own scripture
Thunder1:I agree with you Tehillah, there is special debate forums , so why don't people go there to debate, I mean those who are not really seeking to the truth.:blessyou::cross2:

thanks im glad you see the point i am more worried about what allah thinks of him though debating us, when he should be enslaving us or killing us.......

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