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The Foley story seems to be the elephant in the room so lets just get it out there,this is one of those stories that makes you react from all directions.As humans we have many sides and can have a religious opinion, a political opinion, and a personal opinion.I choose the article below to post because it was one of the few I found that didn't seem to have to much slant one way or the other. I think the one positive thing in this whole story so far is that no one is defending his actions, and that gives me some comfort and hope that Americans can still tell the difference between right and wrong even in Washington D.C. -------------------------------- Mark Foley story is weird and getting weirder, and although there doesn't seem to be any doubt that Foley's guilty of making advances to teenage boys (he did resign!) - Let's be clear here, no one is defending Foley's "sicko actions," or suggesting that he has done anything less than despicable; it's just that there appears to be "some serious questions that need to be answered about this story.Some e-mails that pretty much sum it up: Disgraced GOP Rep. Mark Foley's instant messages with an underage page are absolutely appalling. He was a 54-year-old man abusing his position of power with a 16-year-old boy. Based on all the reporting so far, and there may yet be more to come, Rep. Foley was exactly the kind of sexual predator--"sicko," in his own words--he crusaded against in Congress. Alcoholism seems the least of his problems."Rep. Foley's apparent abuse of office and lecherous communications with a 16-year-old boy -- during what should have been one of the best times in his life as a page in Washington -- is every parent's worst nightmare," she wrote. "It happens to both boys and girls, and all parents must be vigilant and immunize their children against predators early and often
 

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The Foley story seems to be the elephant in the room so lets just get it out there,this is one of those stories that makes you react from all directions.As humans we have many sides and can have a religious opinion, a political opinion, and a personal opinion.I choose the article below to post because it was one of the few I found that didn't seem to have to much slant one way or the other. I think the one positive thing in this whole story so far is that no one is defending his actions, and that gives me some comfort and hope that Americans can still tell the difference between right and wrong even in Washington D.C. -------------------------------- Mark Foley story is weird and getting weirder, and although there doesn't seem to be any doubt that Foley's guilty of making advances to teenage boys (he did resign!) - Let's be clear here, no one is defending Foley's "sicko actions," or suggesting that he has done anything less than despicable; it's just that there appears to be "some serious questions that need to be answered about this story.Some e-mails that pretty much sum it up: Disgraced GOP Rep. Mark Foley's instant messages with an underage page are absolutely appalling. He was a 54-year-old man abusing his position of power with a 16-year-old boy. Based on all the reporting so far, and there may yet be more to come, Rep. Foley was exactly the kind of sexual predator--"sicko," in his own words--he crusaded against in Congress. Alcoholism seems the least of his problems."Rep. Foley's apparent abuse of office and lecherous communications with a 16-year-old boy -- during what should have been one of the best times in his life as a page in Washington -- is every parent's worst nightmare," she wrote. "It happens to both boys and girls, and all parents must be vigilant and immunize their children against predators early and often
I agee with your above post. Very incrediably disqusting. The timing is what seems curious. Seems like they knew about this character for a long time.The dems pretend that they're christians with a, " we go to church", and I think Hillary was seen with a Bible in her hand once but no one 's buying that crap. The fiscal republicans are just as sleezy but they need us to bulk up their voting base.I think the democraps are thinking bc of the disquisting behaviour, many christians will stay at home.I hope Christians see thru that.
 

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See through it and what? Continue to vote for a party that claims to be Christian onoy to do the same things the dems want to declare normal? Time for this joining at the hip of the Church and GOP to be severed. God is not the mascot for any political party.You can argue about the timing all you want but if it isn't there, they can't take it.
 

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Berniedems want to declare normal?
The whole point of the posts above Bernie that this shouldn't be a political matter. We are not discussing Foley's sexual preference here we are discussing child abuse and neither REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS HAVE EVER DECLARED THIS NORMAL BEHAVIOR
 

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I disagree. First, we demolished the marriage barrier to sex. Then, we wiped out the gender barrier. Now, the age barrier is under assault. Two minors havinf sex is ok.The next barrier to be under assault is the age barrier and the dems are trying to muddy those waters as well. Since the GOP is no better, it is time for the Church to jettison it.I'm afaraid that this age barrier is not as solid as you would like to believe. And so what if dems conside it wrong as of this time? By what standard? Any human standard is open to debate.
 

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See through it and what? Continue to vote for a party that claims to be Christian onoy to do the same things the dems want to declare normal? Time for this joining at the hip of the Church and GOP to be severed. God is not the mascot for any political party.You can argue about the timing all you want but if it isn't there, they can't take it.
Okay Bernie, see thru what you said.I live in Florida. In Sept. we voted for some judges. Hardly anyone turned out in thevoting district I was in. Nevertheless, I voted for conservative judges. Yes, I checked their records. Why do I vote conservative? Because if we hound them enough, they'll put in conservative judges. Yes, we have to keep after the republicans. Yes, they try to shuck and jive us. BUT the dems don't give a damn. I used to be a dem until second term of Jimmy Carter. Yes, he was a nice man. probably still is-saw him on a cooking show just recently seemed nice-but I digress.Am I a republican?? NO! But I am a conservative.IF a decent, real Christian democrat came along, well, I might vote for him.I don't want to see the wackos in office and that is what will happen if Christians stay home and don't vote.
 

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I consider myself conservative but not Republican as well. But since these same people who give lip service to conservative values only to act no differently than their democratic counterparts. And then want to invade other countiries to impose this brand of life upon others, it is time for a change. I will either not vote or (GASP!) for the first time in my life, vote democrat. Not because I believe in their platform but because we need some checks and balances. Working in wastewater treatment has taught me something that appears to be useful in politics. We adjust the pH of the wastewater to 9. If it is too high, we add acid, if it is too low, we add caustic. The nation has swung too far to the caustic side and needs a little acid.
 

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I consider myself conservative but not Republican as well. But since these same people who give lip service to conservative values only to act no differently than their democratic counterparts. And then want to invade other countiries to impose this brand of life upon others, it is time for a change. I will either not vote or (GASP!) for the first time in my life, vote democrat. Not because I believe in their platform but because we need some checks and balances. Working in wastewater treatment has taught me something that appears to be useful in politics. We adjust the pH of the wastewater to 9. If it is too high, we add acid, if it is too low, we add caustic. The nation has swung too far to the caustic side and needs a little acid.
Well I can understand how you feel, Bernie, but the democrats are, for the most part, scary people. If they're in charge, I doubt our lives would be any better and I'm taking bets that our freedoms would go to zero real fast. Most far left dems that happen to be in charge these days HATE Christians.Count on political correctness be prioity # 1.The war? They have no plans. Liberal judges will abound. It'll be chaos.
 

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Neocons are just as bad as liberals. They pay lip service to conservativism but run left with a different twist. Bush has no plan either but to "Stay the course" and continue doing what has always been the actions of an evil empire. While I agree that the party of Sarah Brady cannot win a war, some wars are not worth winning. Occupation of another nation and imposing our idea of freedom is plain wrong.2 Peter 2:19 Promising freedom while they themselves are slaves to sensual passions.
 

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Neocons are just as bad as liberals. They pay lip service to conservativism but run left with a different twist. Bush has no plan either but to "Stay the course" and continue doing what has always been the actions of an evil empire. While I agree that the party of Sarah Brady cannot win a war, some wars are not worth winning. Occupation of another nation and imposing our idea of freedom is plain wrong.2 Peter 2:19 Promising freedom while they themselves are slaves to sensual passions.
Remember 9-11? We got attacked; thousands loss their lives in very horrible ways.More then at Pearl Harbor. We haven't had an attack here since 9-11-01. The fighting with the terrorists is over there; not here. Unless you're suicidal; you got to appreciate that.Our enemies determine how long this is going to go on-look at them; how barbaric they are. It's their way or death; no middle ground; no compromise.Are you saying we're an evil empire?If you feel that way, maybe people like you should pack up and go to the middle eastso you won't have to put up with the " evil empire".They attacked us first; that is what you should keep in front of you at all times. They don't want an end to war not until the last of us ( YOU ALSO ) are dead. On the dome of their rock is words to the effect that their god doesn't have a son.As I said, I'm independent but I'm also a Christian and a conservative.
 

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I agree with you Ros777 I been tryin to tell Bernie this same thing,these guys want us dead and even if we stayed home and wrote them love letters they would still come to kill us
 

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Remember 9-11? We got attacked; thousands loss their lives in very horrible ways.More then at Pearl Harbor. We haven't had an attack here since 9-11-01. The fighting with the terrorists is over there; not here. Unless you're suicidal; you got to appreciate that.Our enemies determine how long this is going to go on-look at them; how barbaric they are. It's their way or death; no middle ground; no compromise.Are you saying we're an evil empire?If you feel that way, maybe people like you should pack up and go to the middle eastso you won't have to put up with the " evil empire".They attacked us first; that is what you should keep in front of you at all times. They don't want an end to war not until the last of us ( YOU ALSO ) are dead. On the dome of their rock is words to the effect that their god doesn't have a son.As I said, I'm independent but I'm also a Christian and a conservative.
Not again! Another neocon christian with a gospel of bombs & bullets.1) They hate us because WE have been manipulating events over there to get thier oil. We toppled government we didn't like, installed puppets that wopuld do our bidding. Then, our last president AKA Rapist in chief sent Maddaline albright over there to impose thier godless liberal agenda upon them.2) Bombing "Them" over there and kicking in doors "Over there" will only win more people over to thier side. They next time 9-11 happens, the world will believe we deserved it.There is no fighting over there vs over here in assymetrucal warefare.Can you show me the vast fleet of ships that are poised to bring all those evil Arabs over here and force us to bow to Mecca?Being a 26 year veteran, I cannot worship the military te same way you cheering chickenhawks do. The military is just another corrupt self serving government instituion that needs a boogie man to justify its existence.3) How barbaric "They" Are? Sorry but the USAF has killed more innocent civilians than all the so called terrorists organizations combined. Only we do it with wonder weapons from 20,000 feet up. Don't try to push this collateral damage stuff either. We dropped fire bombs on the civilian population of Tokyo and then sprayed diesel fuel on the fleeing civilians. More recently, we showered Bagdad and Belgrade with cluster bombs. In Belgrade, we actually avoided anything that could shoot back and bombed ONLY civilians.So this myth about how "Good" We are and how "Evil" they are is busted.4) If you are so gung ho about the war, why don't you call a recruiter and sign up for a blast in Bagdad?5) "They did not attack us first. WE have been manipulating them for over 50 years. Bin Laden did not declare war on us until we arrogantly proclaimed "We llied! We are staying in Saudi forever! Aftr promising not to establish a permanant presence there.6) Can you show me where Jesus calls upon us to bomb anybody into submission?How about the will of the people aka democracy? Can you show me in the Bible where it calls for that. Nowhere in the Bible is the will of the people EVER spoken of favorably.As far as what threatens us:Our abortion clinics kill more American BabiesOur Drug dealers poison more of us than anybody's chemical weaponsOur own Gangs shoot more of us than those terroristsOur own sexual imorality infects more of us than anybody's bio weapons.We bomb o5her countries in order to make them submit to our godlress decadence as we rot from within. And since the abortion rate, drug abuse rate, divorce rate, and all other vices inside our churches is little different than those of the unbelivers, we have little moral authority.Imposing ones way upon another nation is the mark of an evil empire and I pray that the Lord humble us now rather than judge us later.There is no room in the Gospel for any of us to say "Those evil people""ALL fall short of God's glory. There are none rightious, not a one!"As Christians, all we are is one convicted criminal on death row telling another how to obtain a pardon, nothing more.
 

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Bernie When everyone but you see it differently maybe its your view that needs to be re-examined.
 

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Where in Scripture is there a gospel of bombs and bullets?Where are we commanded to strike down governments and replace them with a pro criminal, pros sexual immoral "Democracy"Where in Scripture, can we claim that "We" are good and "They" are evil"Quite to the contrary, ALL of the Prophets saw things that were different from the majority.Jesus was against the majority, does he need his head examined?Luke 6:26 "Woe unto you when men speak well of you! For in the same way thier grandfathers treated the false prophets"
 

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bernie you crack me up you remind me of one of those old phonograph records when the needle gets stuck in the grove and just repeats and repeats the same thing,the needle doesnt realize there is more words in the song it just keeps repeating the same thing
 

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It's funny how a thread about Mark Foley ends up over in the Middle East. Perhaps that says a thing or two about politics here in America. Maybe all politics are not really local as the quote says.Getting back to the topic, I think Foley is a disgrace. I think, as a Conservative who backs the Republicans when they warrant backing, that there was some degree of a small "coverup" but that this all falls on Hastert and not the party as a whole. I think Hastert was just concered with holding on to his spot until he's done so he didn't act hoping it would go away. I don't think Republicans should defend either one and particularly Foley. The problem is that you cannot generally make broad sweeping statements that are true, but politics makes them all the time.The Republicans need to say: "Look, Foley did this, he's a disgrace and has been taken care of. We don't claim him anymore and we had no idea this sicko was doing this otherwise we would have removed him long ago."
 

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The real problem is that the GOP,Like too many Curches pay lip service to the Word of God practice the same things their counterparts on the godless left do. The divorce rate, abortion rate, teen pregnancy rate, and other vices within the Church is no different than the conduct of the so called unbelievers. Newt Gingrich, while pusing Clintons impeachment was having an affair with his secretary. After leaving office, he divorced his second wife and married the secretary. As you say Swamp, the GOP needs to say something in the area of "Our platform is to be against this behavior and we will not tolerate those who do such things within our ranks." But they already fropped the ball by doing the same thing the Catholic Church did when they had thier pedophile scandal. The coverup is worse than the crime.
 

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When you and your like continue to talk about how "Evil those muslims are" and how "Great we so called christians are" I will repat the same rebuttal to the same song you keep singing.
 

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I guess I'm more skeptical than you I have been slowly coming to the conclusion that whats wrong with our politics is this voting for a party mentality if you vote for the person who best represents your own values regardless of party you tend to get a majority of the people represented when you start voting for a party instead of people you give them all the power and power corrupts, as we have seen, in both parties. If they were never sure how the next election was going to go the emphasis would be on the people running not how much money and power a party had. This Foley thing is not an isolated incident there is a Republican named Shepard running for reelection his adds say he is sorry for committing adultery and the alligation of abuse to his mistress aren't true,I do believe Hastert knew more than he is admitting but I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt till its proven how much he did know.Don't get me wrong I don"t think the Democrats are any better they just aren't in the news this week. I only know one thing there is no party in D.C. that represents my values only single individuals and I will never vote party lines again.
 

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The real problem is that the GOP,Like too many Curches pay lip service to the Word of God practice the same things their counterparts on the godless left do. The divorce rate, abortion rate, teen pregnancy rate, and other vices within the Church is no different than the conduct of the so called unbelievers. Newt Gingrich, while pusing Clintons impeachment was having an affair with his secretary. After leaving office, he divorced his second wife and married the secretary. As you say Swamp, the GOP needs to say something in the area of "Our platform is to be against this behavior and we will not tolerate those who do such things within our ranks." But they already fropped the ball by doing the same thing the Catholic Church did when they had thier pedophile scandal. The coverup is worse than the crime.
Bernie, it's hard to take you seriously when you call the USA the " EVIL EMPIRE" . Where did you get that; from Star Wars?Christians are not second class citizens; people have the right to defend themselves.Quick example: Peter carried a sword and loped off a man's ear. The sword was for self defense. When one attacks you; you have the right to defend yourself; personally or as a country. Does it make the attackers evil; yeah, it does.Jesus said if you are angry, WITHOUT CAUSE, you are in danger of hell. Anger with a just cause is okay. Being jealous and coveting others goods isn't a just cause. Their god isn't my GOD. They have no right to murder. Murdering others ( lying in wait) is murder and that is a sin. Defending oneself is not a sin.