Over the last few months I've been feeling like I need to study Bible prophecy more and really start paying attention to what is going on in the world. Somehow I ended up here and I've been reading a lot of what you folks have to say about prophecy, end-times, news and politics. I definitely feel that this community is blessed. Please bear with me, this is long (and I hope I put it in the right forum), but I would appreciate any feedback you can give me. Let me start by saying that I was raised Catholic, turned away from Jesus in my early teens (but never my Creator or His Holy Spirit) and was turned back toward Jesus when I was 21. Since that time I have sought Jesus in the Scriptures. My husband was also raised Catholic but was influenced in his teens by Baptists. He and I both seek fellowship with other believers but are extremely wary of formal churches, believing that Satan works harder in the church than anywhere else. (I did read the thread about going to church. I have had friends lecture me about it and when God moves me I will go, but I do not believe that attending an organized service is necessary for salvation.) I have a lot of issues with the Catholic church but my husband feels it is better for one of our children to attend a Catholic school than a public one (and to some extent I agree). I've tried homeschooling (and am homeschooling one child right now) but I have not been as effective as I feel I could have been. When I began reading Revelation again (I have read it before and followed a radio preacher's study on it, though now I disagree with much of his interpretation) it took me a long time to go through the churches because I found it really interesting that Jesus' appearance is described in whole to us, the reader, but when John gives the messages to the churches there is a different aspect of His appearance which is stressed to each individual church. Then I got to the "doctrine of the Nicolaitanes" which God says He hates. So I began my internet journey looking to see what exactly this is. I came to 2 different answers. One being that the word Nicolaitanes means "to conquer the laity" in Greek and then the Wikipedia entry tells me that the Nicolaitanes were "they lead lives of unrestrained indulgence." When I initially read the two ideas, "conquer the laity" seemed like a stretch to me. But the more I let it sink in the more inclined I am to accept that definition. I have prayed that God would help me discern the truth and that he would move my husband to be acceptable to removing our child from the school if that was true. I don't want to knowingly put my child/ren in a setting that espouses something that God hates.And this leads me to my second question. I do not believe in any rapture. So if, and it seems likely, we are the generation which will experience the Tribulation, how do we protect our children? I do not worry for my own life, whether I live or die and if I live what manner of life I will have, be it in captivity or not, and if I die I pray that I am blessed to die for my Savior. I will not accept the mark of the beast and I pray and pray that I will not be deceived, for God to open my eyes and show me. But what if our children are separated from us? Yesterday I cried because it really hit me that I may not be able to protect them from it, that it will be forced on them. And I told them that it would be better for them to die than to accept it. But they are young. I do believe in my heart that my 10 and 5 yo understand. Since I have really started to see better the way our world is aligning with God's Word I have experienced much anxiety and panic. I say that I believe my children understand because I know that God speaks to my 5yo. In the midst of an anxiety(spiritual) attack, he began to pray with me and told me that God said to , "Be brave, listen to God and do what He says." But even if the older ones do understand, they are still just children. And what about my toddler?
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I don't want to knowingly put my child/ren in a setting that espouses something that God hates.And this leads me to my second question. I do not believe in any rapture. So if, and it seems likely, we are the generation which will experience the Tribulation, how do we protect our children? ....I will not accept the mark of the beast and I pray and pray that I will not be deceived, for God to open my eyes and show me. But what if our children are separated from us? Yesterday I cried because it really hit me that I may not be able to protect them from it, that it will be forced on them. And I told them that it would be better for them to die than to accept it. But they are young. I do believe in my heart that my 10 and 5 yo understand. .....In the midst of an anxiety(spiritual) attack, he began to pray with me and told me that God said to , "Be brave, listen to God and do what He says." But even if the older ones do understand, they are still just children. And what about my toddler?
Please trust in our Father...completely. He has complete control of what will happen, to whom and when. He puts the souls in the bodies that are now on earth. If we are old enough to make a choice, to choose Him or Satan then we are either of the elect or of free will.....you have made your choice :angel1: as I have. There was an age before this one and all souls from that time must be born into this age before the end can come. We are nearing (I believe) the end of days and His children are being awakened to His truth just as the evil ones are to his vile deception.My point is that if children aren't old enough (as yours are) to make a decision then I have no doubt that God has placed either the souls of those that stood with Him in the first age into the bodies of those precious children and they are NOT IN HARM'S WAY. At the same time, He will also place the souls that followed Satan into the bodies of others
. This is why I said you must trust Him.If it was up to a human mother or grandmother all babies would have only the finest soul but we don't make the decision....He does and He loves us. So....pray for your babies, pray for all babies and know that He is their Father. Remember too that if the end comes soon then they can't "take the mark of the beast." They aren't at an age where they could "buy or sell" and God's wrath is reserved for those that do take the mark........Whirlwind
I don't want to knowingly put my child/ren in a setting that espouses something that God hates.And this leads me to my second question. I do not believe in any rapture. So if, and it seems likely, we are the generation which will experience the Tribulation, how do we protect our children? ....I will not accept the mark of the beast and I pray and pray that I will not be deceived, for God to open my eyes and show me. But what if our children are separated from us? Yesterday I cried because it really hit me that I may not be able to protect them from it, that it will be forced on them. And I told them that it would be better for them to die than to accept it. But they are young. I do believe in my heart that my 10 and 5 yo understand. .....In the midst of an anxiety(spiritual) attack, he began to pray with me and told me that God said to , "Be brave, listen to God and do what He says." But even if the older ones do understand, they are still just children. And what about my toddler?
Please trust in our Father...completely. He has complete control of what will happen, to whom and when. He puts the souls in the bodies that are now on earth. If we are old enough to make a choice, to choose Him or Satan then we are either of the elect or of free will.....you have made your choice :angel1: as I have. There was an age before this one and all souls from that time must be born into this age before the end can come. We are nearing (I believe) the end of days and His children are being awakened to His truth just as the evil ones are to his vile deception.My point is that if children aren't old enough (as yours are) to make a decision then I have no doubt that God has placed either the souls of those that stood with Him in the first age into the bodies of those precious children and they are NOT IN HARM'S WAY. At the same time, He will also place the souls that followed Satan into the bodies of others
Thanks you for replying, whirlwind.
There was an age before this one and all souls from that time must be born into this age before the end can come. We are nearing (I believe) the end of days and His children are being awakened to His truth just as the evil ones are to his vile deception.
Can you tell me where in the Bible I can read about this? I have a memory/dream from before I was born and I have always wondered about it, whether it was vain imagining, delusion or just simply a dream.
There was an age before this one and all souls from that time must be born into this age before the end can come. We are nearing (I believe) the end of days and His children are being awakened to His truth just as the evil ones are to his vile deception.
Can you tell me where in the Bible I can read about this? I have a memory/dream from before I was born and I have always wondered about it, whether it was vain imagining, delusion or just simply a dream.
(LittleLightShining;32538)
Thanks you for replying, whirlwind. Can you tell me where in the Bible I can read about this? I have a memory/dream from before I was born and I have always wondered about it, whether it was vain imagining, delusion or just simply a dream.
There are many references to that first age throughout the Bible LLS but it isn't known by many and taught by even less, even those that are supposed to be our teachers.Understanding that there was an age before this one, knowing the truth of what happened in the garden and the chronological order of events in the end of days is the true meat of His Word. They are the mysteries He wants to open to His children. Knowing that there will not be a rapture is one of the most important truths.....and you have that truth :angel9:I don't know about the memories you had but you must know there is NO REINCARNATION. In the first age we were in spirit bodies just as we will be in the next age. We have the same soul we did then and will have in eternity....that doesn't change. Perhaps you did have a memory from the time before but we were to be born innocent, no knowledge from the other age, in order to make our decision in this age. That was one of the reasons for God's displeasure at the fallen angels. They brought knowledge of that first age to God's children and it corrupted many....so many He sent the flood.I'm glad you are interested in this and would love to teach you what I have learned. I'll have more time a bit later in the day.........Whirlwind
Thanks you for replying, whirlwind. Can you tell me where in the Bible I can read about this? I have a memory/dream from before I was born and I have always wondered about it, whether it was vain imagining, delusion or just simply a dream.
There are many references to that first age throughout the Bible LLS but it isn't known by many and taught by even less, even those that are supposed to be our teachers.Understanding that there was an age before this one, knowing the truth of what happened in the garden and the chronological order of events in the end of days is the true meat of His Word. They are the mysteries He wants to open to His children. Knowing that there will not be a rapture is one of the most important truths.....and you have that truth :angel9:I don't know about the memories you had but you must know there is NO REINCARNATION. In the first age we were in spirit bodies just as we will be in the next age. We have the same soul we did then and will have in eternity....that doesn't change. Perhaps you did have a memory from the time before but we were to be born innocent, no knowledge from the other age, in order to make our decision in this age. That was one of the reasons for God's displeasure at the fallen angels. They brought knowledge of that first age to God's children and it corrupted many....so many He sent the flood.I'm glad you are interested in this and would love to teach you what I have learned. I'll have more time a bit later in the day.........Whirlwind
Littlelightshining here is some verses that when understood properly Peter is telling us a mystery that has been hidden 2 Peter3:5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. Notice these two verse above talk about the earth and the HEAVENS being first the destroyed Now most will tell you this was noah's flood but this can not be as the flood never destroyed the heavens and the earth second we are told this was hidden Noahs flood was not only never hidden it was and is one of the best known stories passed down through history not only in scripture but many anceint civilization have a story about it. Now look at the next verse 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] This is this earth age it has always been told to us that this earth age would be destroyed by fire Then comes a new world and a new haeven this is nothing new to God to destroy an earth age he has done it before and will do it again*although I recommend the KJV of Bible for study this particular verse is better understood by some so I have used this translation for better illistration.
The beginning - the 3 Earth Ages.Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. He didn't say when the beginning was but science lets us know that it could be millions or billions of years old. Notice that here "heaven" is singular. When you go to chapter 2:1 it has become plural - 2nd age.2.And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.The Hebrew word "was" can also be translated "became" and most modern Bibles now footnote Gen.2:1 as became.3.And God said, "Let there be light." And there was light.4.And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.5.And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.In the text "first day" is "day one."What has happened since the creation and day one? It could be billions of years. There was an age before this one and for a time in that age Satan was loved by God and called the king of Tyrus:Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.13.Thou has been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering....(snip)17..(snip)....I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.Satan was here on earth, in the garden of Eden and God loved him, thought him beautiful and wise but.....he rebelled.This obviously predates Adam and would be the time period between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. Sounds to me as if Satan (Lucifer) may have been a previous resident of the garden 
. And I'm sure this also predates his revolt against God - Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"There were nations in that age! Had Satan been up to his stuff during the creation God would not have said that it was "very good." God didn't say that until Gen.1:3. This may be why John refers to him as "Prince of this World" [John 12:31].Also, it could be why Satan was called king of Tyrus in one verse and the prince of Tyrus in another....after his demotion. [Ez.28:2 & 12]So....he rebelled in that age and took 1/3 of God's children with him:Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Instead of killing His children for their disobedience He destroyed the age. In this present 2nd age all of us must be born of woman and make our minds up as to who we will follow. This age is a spiritual war and the next is one of spiritual judgment.Peter also refers to the first age:2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water.6.Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water perished: 7.But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.This was the first age as our world did NOT PERISH in Noah's flood nor did that flood destroy the heaven age of our time. That first age is also mentioned in:Jeremiah 4:22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children and they have none understanding; they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.23.I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.It "was"...it became without form and void. God created it to be inhabited but it became void.Isaiah 45:18 for thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.24.I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.25.I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.This is not the flood of Noah. Here there was NO MAN or BIRDS.26.I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger."All the cities"...cities as well as nations in that first age!27.For thus hath the Lord said, "the whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.He shook the earth and flooded it. This was the age of the dinosaurs. The earth is very old but it doesn't disagree with Genesis at all. When Satan makes his next appearance [Gen.3:1] in the garden, it is after the creation of Adam and Eve and long after his rebellion.The following is not scripture but the "Book of Jasher" is quoted twice in the Old Testament [Joshua 10:13 and 11 Samuel 1:18]. Some credence therefore should probably be given to this....Jasher, speaking of the creation (Jasher was the son of Caleb, a contemporary of Moses), says in 1:4-5...."And the abyss fled before the face of the light, and divided between the light and the darkness. So that the face of nature was formed a second time." The face was formed a second time....not earth. This is the same earth but He wiped it's face clean at the end of the first age.Isaiah 40:21 Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? The beginning was in the first age.Another clue to this first age is given in Gen. 1:28 when God told them to replenish the earth...not plenish it.The foundation of the world is spoken about by Jesus in:Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."Foundation #2602 ~ Katabole, from 2598 kataballo - a deposition, founding, conception, conceive, foundation, to throw down, cast down, descend, fall. It comes from #2596 kata, which list many applications but frequently denotes opposition, distribution or intensity.The katabole was the overthrow of Satan, when he was thrown to earth and it was intense! God flooded the earth and that age ended. It was so violent that the plates split. It began as one land mass but split into the continents. This is the reason you can find skeletons of African animals in Nebraska.I'm sorry this was so long but it is a very important subject. I hope that helped you.....If you have any questions please don't hestitate to ask. There are others on this forum that can help with these subjects too..........Whirlwind
. And I'm sure this also predates his revolt against God - Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"There were nations in that age! Had Satan been up to his stuff during the creation God would not have said that it was "very good." God didn't say that until Gen.1:3. This may be why John refers to him as "Prince of this World" [John 12:31].Also, it could be why Satan was called king of Tyrus in one verse and the prince of Tyrus in another....after his demotion. [Ez.28:2 & 12]So....he rebelled in that age and took 1/3 of God's children with him:Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Instead of killing His children for their disobedience He destroyed the age. In this present 2nd age all of us must be born of woman and make our minds up as to who we will follow. This age is a spiritual war and the next is one of spiritual judgment.Peter also refers to the first age:2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water.6.Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water perished: 7.But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.This was the first age as our world did NOT PERISH in Noah's flood nor did that flood destroy the heaven age of our time. That first age is also mentioned in:Jeremiah 4:22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children and they have none understanding; they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.23.I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.It "was"...it became without form and void. God created it to be inhabited but it became void.Isaiah 45:18 for thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.24.I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.25.I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.This is not the flood of Noah. Here there was NO MAN or BIRDS.26.I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger."All the cities"...cities as well as nations in that first age!27.For thus hath the Lord said, "the whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.He shook the earth and flooded it. This was the age of the dinosaurs. The earth is very old but it doesn't disagree with Genesis at all. When Satan makes his next appearance [Gen.3:1] in the garden, it is after the creation of Adam and Eve and long after his rebellion.The following is not scripture but the "Book of Jasher" is quoted twice in the Old Testament [Joshua 10:13 and 11 Samuel 1:18]. Some credence therefore should probably be given to this....Jasher, speaking of the creation (Jasher was the son of Caleb, a contemporary of Moses), says in 1:4-5...."And the abyss fled before the face of the light, and divided between the light and the darkness. So that the face of nature was formed a second time." The face was formed a second time....not earth. This is the same earth but He wiped it's face clean at the end of the first age.Isaiah 40:21 Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? The beginning was in the first age.Another clue to this first age is given in Gen. 1:28 when God told them to replenish the earth...not plenish it.The foundation of the world is spoken about by Jesus in:Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."Foundation #2602 ~ Katabole, from 2598 kataballo - a deposition, founding, conception, conceive, foundation, to throw down, cast down, descend, fall. It comes from #2596 kata, which list many applications but frequently denotes opposition, distribution or intensity.The katabole was the overthrow of Satan, when he was thrown to earth and it was intense! God flooded the earth and that age ended. It was so violent that the plates split. It began as one land mass but split into the continents. This is the reason you can find skeletons of African animals in Nebraska.I'm sorry this was so long but it is a very important subject. I hope that helped you.....If you have any questions please don't hestitate to ask. There are others on this forum that can help with these subjects too..........Whirlwind(kriss;32548)
Littlelightshining here is some verses that when understood properly Peter is telling us a mystery that has been hidden
Hi Kriss...our posts crossed. Thank you for helping with this subject.
......Whirlwind
Littlelightshining here is some verses that when understood properly Peter is telling us a mystery that has been hidden
Hi Kriss...our posts crossed. Thank you for helping with this subject.
Wow! Thank you both for spending so much time responding. It's going to take me some time to really pray and study this.
(LittleLightShining;32538)
Thanks you for replying, whirlwind. Can you tell me where in the Bible I can read about this? I have a memory/dream from before I was born and I have always wondered about it, whether it was vain imagining, delusion or just simply a dream.
You don't really have to believe this pre-earth age theological theory. It's not really necessary for salvation. I am neutral to the idea. And the best thing to do is look it up on your own and ask God for wisdom.I'm am a public high school student. And I can tell you that a Christian school would be so much better to go to than a public one. There are a lot of people who use God's name in vain, date for fun, drink alcohol, and who don't really care about God. There are a lot of self proclaiming Christians but they are blind to the truth. At least in a Christian school God is taught, and reading a Bible is a good thing.I would be careful to send a child to a Catholic school. The Catholic church (the leaders) are blasphemous (the priests being able to forgive sins is completely un-Biblical). Although, there are a lot of Catholics that follow the word of God over the worldly wisdom and teachings of man.As for prophesy and end times, we are reaching the Tribulation. May I point out that there is no Pre-Tribulation rapture. God uses the tribulation and Anti Christ to filter out the non-believers and believers (lukewarm Christians). This forum covers the end times pretty thoroughly. Remember, this forum has members with mixed beliefs, and we have debates every now and then. So if you see something you don't like, don't go running off to another forum, I haven't yet found one as good as this
.God Bless you!
Thanks you for replying, whirlwind. Can you tell me where in the Bible I can read about this? I have a memory/dream from before I was born and I have always wondered about it, whether it was vain imagining, delusion or just simply a dream.
You don't really have to believe this pre-earth age theological theory. It's not really necessary for salvation. I am neutral to the idea. And the best thing to do is look it up on your own and ask God for wisdom.I'm am a public high school student. And I can tell you that a Christian school would be so much better to go to than a public one. There are a lot of people who use God's name in vain, date for fun, drink alcohol, and who don't really care about God. There are a lot of self proclaiming Christians but they are blind to the truth. At least in a Christian school God is taught, and reading a Bible is a good thing.I would be careful to send a child to a Catholic school. The Catholic church (the leaders) are blasphemous (the priests being able to forgive sins is completely un-Biblical). Although, there are a lot of Catholics that follow the word of God over the worldly wisdom and teachings of man.As for prophesy and end times, we are reaching the Tribulation. May I point out that there is no Pre-Tribulation rapture. God uses the tribulation and Anti Christ to filter out the non-believers and believers (lukewarm Christians). This forum covers the end times pretty thoroughly. Remember, this forum has members with mixed beliefs, and we have debates every now and then. So if you see something you don't like, don't go running off to another forum, I haven't yet found one as good as this
(Wakka;32591)
You don't really have to believe this pre-earth age theological theory. It's not really necessary for salvation. I am neutral to the idea. And the best thing to do is look it up on your own and ask God for wisdom.I'm am a public high school student. And I can tell you that a Christian school would be so much better to go to than a public one. There are a lot of people who use God's name in vain, date for fun, drink alcohol, and who don't really care about God. There are a lot of self proclaiming Christians but they are blind to the truth. At least in a Christian school God is taught, and reading a Bible is a good thing.I would be careful to send a child to a Catholic school. The Catholic church (the leaders) are blasphemous (the priests being able to forgive sins is completely un-Biblical). Although, there are a lot of Catholics that follow the word of God over the worldly wisdom and teachings of man.As for prophesy and end times, we are reaching the Tribulation. May I point out that there is no Pre-Tribulation rapture. God uses the tribulation and Anti Christ to filter out the non-believers and believers (lukewarm Christians). This forum covers the end times pretty thoroughly. Remember, this forum has members with mixed beliefs, and we have debates every now and then. So if you see something you don't like, don't go running off to another forum, I haven't yet found one as good as this
.God Bless you!
Pre Earth theory? Nay, God created the Earth and the Heaven before our souls were created. So how can you call it Pre-Earth theory? It is called the Three Earth Ages. It is Truth.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
You don't really have to believe this pre-earth age theological theory. It's not really necessary for salvation. I am neutral to the idea. And the best thing to do is look it up on your own and ask God for wisdom.I'm am a public high school student. And I can tell you that a Christian school would be so much better to go to than a public one. There are a lot of people who use God's name in vain, date for fun, drink alcohol, and who don't really care about God. There are a lot of self proclaiming Christians but they are blind to the truth. At least in a Christian school God is taught, and reading a Bible is a good thing.I would be careful to send a child to a Catholic school. The Catholic church (the leaders) are blasphemous (the priests being able to forgive sins is completely un-Biblical). Although, there are a lot of Catholics that follow the word of God over the worldly wisdom and teachings of man.As for prophesy and end times, we are reaching the Tribulation. May I point out that there is no Pre-Tribulation rapture. God uses the tribulation and Anti Christ to filter out the non-believers and believers (lukewarm Christians). This forum covers the end times pretty thoroughly. Remember, this forum has members with mixed beliefs, and we have debates every now and then. So if you see something you don't like, don't go running off to another forum, I haven't yet found one as good as this
Pre Earth theory? Nay, God created the Earth and the Heaven before our souls were created. So how can you call it Pre-Earth theory? It is called the Three Earth Ages. It is Truth.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(thesuperjag;32615)
Pre Earth theory? Nay, God created the Earth and the Heaven before our souls were created. So how can you call it Pre-Earth theory? It is called the Three Earth Ages. It is Truth.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Yes I know that God created the heavens and the earth before he did man. But I don't believe it took millions of years. I'm a new earth believer, 6,000 years, whoo!
Pre Earth theory? Nay, God created the Earth and the Heaven before our souls were created. So how can you call it Pre-Earth theory? It is called the Three Earth Ages. It is Truth.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Yes I know that God created the heavens and the earth before he did man. But I don't believe it took millions of years. I'm a new earth believer, 6,000 years, whoo!
(whirlwind;32542)
Understanding that there was an age before this one, knowing the truth of what happened in the garden and the chronological order of events in the end of days is the true meat of His Word. They are the mysteries He wants to open to His children. Knowing that there will not be a rapture is one of the most important truths.....and you have that truth :angel9:........Whirlwind
You are talking about something called the GAP theory. It cannot be right. The reason is very simple. Death entered this world because of Adam's sin. Before that there was no death. The GAP theory teaches that there was a creation before this creation and they are now dead and long gone. This theory came in response to try and fit the Bible with the evolutionary time-line. It is not necessary to think the earth is old. There are many reputable scientist that teach a young earth e.g less than 10000 years old.The only way there could have been a prior civilization is if death came before Adam's sin. The Bible is real clear about this:Rom 5:12 Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: This GAP theory was made popular by a man named Charles Finnis Dake author of the Dakes Annotated Bible. He wasn't the first to come up with it, but he made it popular. Scofield had input as well.As a side note:Some people call Dakes bible "Dakes Anointed Bible" and the Scofield song;My faith is based on nothing less than Scofield's notes and scripture press.Some real good info on the Gap theory can be found here:http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c003.htmlhttp://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/compromise.aspAnd of course my website belowThere is some really weird stuff, unscriptual, downright false stuff believed on this board. Gap Theory and America is a lost tribe of Israel. I would have never thought ....
Understanding that there was an age before this one, knowing the truth of what happened in the garden and the chronological order of events in the end of days is the true meat of His Word. They are the mysteries He wants to open to His children. Knowing that there will not be a rapture is one of the most important truths.....and you have that truth :angel9:........Whirlwind
You are talking about something called the GAP theory. It cannot be right. The reason is very simple. Death entered this world because of Adam's sin. Before that there was no death. The GAP theory teaches that there was a creation before this creation and they are now dead and long gone. This theory came in response to try and fit the Bible with the evolutionary time-line. It is not necessary to think the earth is old. There are many reputable scientist that teach a young earth e.g less than 10000 years old.The only way there could have been a prior civilization is if death came before Adam's sin. The Bible is real clear about this:Rom 5:12 Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: This GAP theory was made popular by a man named Charles Finnis Dake author of the Dakes Annotated Bible. He wasn't the first to come up with it, but he made it popular. Scofield had input as well.As a side note:Some people call Dakes bible "Dakes Anointed Bible" and the Scofield song;My faith is based on nothing less than Scofield's notes and scripture press.Some real good info on the Gap theory can be found here:http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c003.htmlhttp://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/compromise.aspAnd of course my website belowThere is some really weird stuff, unscriptual, downright false stuff believed on this board. Gap Theory and America is a lost tribe of Israel. I would have never thought ....
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There is some really weird stuff, unscriptual, downright false stuff believed on this board. Gap Theory and America is a lost tribe of Israel. I would have never thought
As soon as I hear lost tribes, my ears pick up. Actually, I am always open-minded to the explanations as to where the lost tribes of Israel ended if anyone has a better explanation for them. I have been known to change my beliefs. However, All the biblical, prophetic and archaeological evidence points to NW Europe and America, and any other explanations do not fit some biblical description or prophecy about them. And don't say that the Jews are all 12 tribes, either. No serious historian believes this, and the Jews themselves don't even back in Jesus' time as quoted in the New Testament. One has to be an ostrich to believe the Jews are all 12 tribes. The word Jew is derived from the tribal name "Judah"---- simple fact.I have yet to hear evangelist types, who would quickly call the likes of me as a cult, explain Genesis 35:11, and Genesis 48:19. They don't. They sweep those verses under the rug. But as I stated before, the Abrahamic covenant INCLUDED the promise of many nations with the Messianic promises. If one cannot explain or believe in Genesis 35:11 and Genesis 48:19, they are effectively throwing out the promises of Messiah as well. As a matter of fact, I think I will even get a tad nasty this morning and accuse the likes of the same thing they accused me already. I think they need to get born again and then they can see clearly enough to know the truth.From an end-time perspective, knowing who Israel is remains important since prophecy is attributed to them.If some folks don't like lost tribes beliefs on this board, they can go back to another forum and regress to kindergarten Christianity elsewhere. As for me, I like spiritual calculus.
As soon as I hear lost tribes, my ears pick up. Actually, I am always open-minded to the explanations as to where the lost tribes of Israel ended if anyone has a better explanation for them. I have been known to change my beliefs. However, All the biblical, prophetic and archaeological evidence points to NW Europe and America, and any other explanations do not fit some biblical description or prophecy about them. And don't say that the Jews are all 12 tribes, either. No serious historian believes this, and the Jews themselves don't even back in Jesus' time as quoted in the New Testament. One has to be an ostrich to believe the Jews are all 12 tribes. The word Jew is derived from the tribal name "Judah"---- simple fact.I have yet to hear evangelist types, who would quickly call the likes of me as a cult, explain Genesis 35:11, and Genesis 48:19. They don't. They sweep those verses under the rug. But as I stated before, the Abrahamic covenant INCLUDED the promise of many nations with the Messianic promises. If one cannot explain or believe in Genesis 35:11 and Genesis 48:19, they are effectively throwing out the promises of Messiah as well. As a matter of fact, I think I will even get a tad nasty this morning and accuse the likes of the same thing they accused me already. I think they need to get born again and then they can see clearly enough to know the truth.From an end-time perspective, knowing who Israel is remains important since prophecy is attributed to them.If some folks don't like lost tribes beliefs on this board, they can go back to another forum and regress to kindergarten Christianity elsewhere. As for me, I like spiritual calculus.
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You are talking about something called the GAP theory. It cannot be right. The reason is very simple. Death entered this world because of Adam's sin. Before that there was no death. The GAP theory teaches that there was a creation before this creation and they are now dead and long gone. This theory came in response to try and fit the Bible with the evolutionary time-line. It is not necessary to think the earth is old. There are many reputable scientist that teach a young earth e.g less than 10000 years old.The only way there could have been a prior civilization is if death came before Adam's sin. The Bible is real clear about this:Rom 5:12 Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
The reputable scientist you reference aren't correct Todd....I think they so want to believe what they have been taught is correct that they try to make their findings fit their truth. It isn't done out of malice but because they believe anything else will disprove God's Word. It is truly just as bad as the scientist that say there is no God because this world is billions of years old. Saying the world is only 6,000 years old keeps others with a factual mind from belief in His Word.His Word does NOT dispute the fact of this earth being ancient and it has nothing to do with evolution. We did not evolve. We are as He made us, in His image and He is not an ape! When you say, "Death entered this world because of Adam's sin. Before that there was no death," you are correct. We were not flesh in the first age just as we will not be flesh in the next age....we are the same soul and same spirit but now (2nd age) in a flesh body. Death, physical death, is in this age and concerns our physical, flesh bodies....the 3rd age will be about the death of our souls, the true death. This is why we find remains of animals from millenia ago but not humans...humans were not in flesh bodies!
There is some really weird stuff, unscriptual, downright false stuff believed on this board. Gap Theory and America is a lost tribe of Israel. I would have never thought ....
There are some unscriptural teachings coming forward but there is a great deal of truth, deep truths....the meat of His Word coming forward too. It is up to us to compare them to His Word. He is calling us and opening eyes and ears in these last days.Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, "shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Running "to and fro" means apostasy - there will be much apostasy, as there is today.9.And he said, "Go thy way,Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.10.Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.So...don't close your mind to it Todd. Compare it to His Word, not what you have been taught :study:. It isn't easy to accept at times but pray for understanding. I know that each day something new is opened to me in the Word....some of it completely opposite of what I had been taught and others just offer a deeper understanding. However, remember....don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out
, as you said there is a lot of junk being spread around....it's all part of this end time event..........Whirlwind
You are talking about something called the GAP theory. It cannot be right. The reason is very simple. Death entered this world because of Adam's sin. Before that there was no death. The GAP theory teaches that there was a creation before this creation and they are now dead and long gone. This theory came in response to try and fit the Bible with the evolutionary time-line. It is not necessary to think the earth is old. There are many reputable scientist that teach a young earth e.g less than 10000 years old.The only way there could have been a prior civilization is if death came before Adam's sin. The Bible is real clear about this:Rom 5:12 Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
The reputable scientist you reference aren't correct Todd....I think they so want to believe what they have been taught is correct that they try to make their findings fit their truth. It isn't done out of malice but because they believe anything else will disprove God's Word. It is truly just as bad as the scientist that say there is no God because this world is billions of years old. Saying the world is only 6,000 years old keeps others with a factual mind from belief in His Word.His Word does NOT dispute the fact of this earth being ancient and it has nothing to do with evolution. We did not evolve. We are as He made us, in His image and He is not an ape! When you say, "Death entered this world because of Adam's sin. Before that there was no death," you are correct. We were not flesh in the first age just as we will not be flesh in the next age....we are the same soul and same spirit but now (2nd age) in a flesh body. Death, physical death, is in this age and concerns our physical, flesh bodies....the 3rd age will be about the death of our souls, the true death. This is why we find remains of animals from millenia ago but not humans...humans were not in flesh bodies!
There is some really weird stuff, unscriptual, downright false stuff believed on this board. Gap Theory and America is a lost tribe of Israel. I would have never thought ....
There are some unscriptural teachings coming forward but there is a great deal of truth, deep truths....the meat of His Word coming forward too. It is up to us to compare them to His Word. He is calling us and opening eyes and ears in these last days.Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, "shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Running "to and fro" means apostasy - there will be much apostasy, as there is today.9.And he said, "Go thy way,Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.10.Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.So...don't close your mind to it Todd. Compare it to His Word, not what you have been taught :study:. It isn't easy to accept at times but pray for understanding. I know that each day something new is opened to me in the Word....some of it completely opposite of what I had been taught and others just offer a deeper understanding. However, remember....don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out
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As soon as I hear lost tribes, my ears pick up..... One has to be an ostrich to believe the Jews are all 12 tribes. The word Jew is derived from the tribal name "Judah"---- simple fact.From an end-time perspective, knowing who Israel is remains important since prophecy is attributed to them.If some folks don't like lost tribes beliefs on this board, they can go back to another forum and regress to kindergarten Christianity elsewhere. As for me, I like spiritual calculus.
Hi Tim....I agree with what you are saying about the tribes and the importance of people understanding who the prophecies are written to. It truly opens so much scripture to understanding, doesn't it? :shepard:.........Whirlwind
As soon as I hear lost tribes, my ears pick up..... One has to be an ostrich to believe the Jews are all 12 tribes. The word Jew is derived from the tribal name "Judah"---- simple fact.From an end-time perspective, knowing who Israel is remains important since prophecy is attributed to them.If some folks don't like lost tribes beliefs on this board, they can go back to another forum and regress to kindergarten Christianity elsewhere. As for me, I like spiritual calculus.
Hi Tim....I agree with what you are saying about the tribes and the importance of people understanding who the prophecies are written to. It truly opens so much scripture to understanding, doesn't it? :shepard:.........Whirlwind
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Like I said weird stuff.
But you don't answer anything. You can't answer Genesis 35:11 or Genesis 48:19 because it would shatter your theology. Why do you keep rebelling against God's word that clearly states the fate of Abraham's descendents? Don't bother answering, because I have yet to hear anything that makes logical sense regarding these verses from anyone against the lost tribes teaching.
Like I said weird stuff.
But you don't answer anything. You can't answer Genesis 35:11 or Genesis 48:19 because it would shatter your theology. Why do you keep rebelling against God's word that clearly states the fate of Abraham's descendents? Don't bother answering, because I have yet to hear anything that makes logical sense regarding these verses from anyone against the lost tribes teaching.
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LittleLight quote -I have prayed that God would help me discern the truth and that he would move my husband to be acceptable to removing our child from the school if that was true. I don't want to knowingly put my child/ren in a setting that espouses something that God hates.And this leads me to my second question. I do not believe in any rapture.----------------------------------------------Firstly, Catholicism is satanic, so the sooner you get your child away from a Catholic school the better..Secondly the Rapture is also Satanic, so stay away from that too..
(To expand on that - Catholics are basically decent people, but they let Satan loosen their hold on Jesus by praying to his human mum instead, and I bet Satan is chuckling! As for the absurd Rapture Cult, it thinks people will get a 'second chance' to become Christians after judgement day. Ha ha ha, we can almost hear Satan whispering in gullible ears - "psst don't worry about hell,it's fitted with a swing door and i'll let you out for a second chance, you can trust me, would I lie?"
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So....he rebelled in that age and took 1/3 of God's children with him:Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Instead of killing His children for their disobedience He destroyed the age. In this present 2nd age all of us must be born of woman and make our minds up as to who we will follow. This age is a spiritual war and the next is one of spiritual judgment.
Ok, bear with me because I really want to understand this. Are you saying that this explains your previous statement? (whirlwind)
There was an age before this one and all souls from that time must be born into this age before the end can come.
I don't see where it says that we must all be born of woman. And please don't dismiss me now, but I am not ready to study the GAP theory or the timetable of Genesis yet. I have often thought about these things and know that there are great mysteries, but I also know that I will fully understand when it is my time to understand. Right now I feel very urgently about the salvation of my children and how do I protect them from the mark of the beast. I believe that there are truly good people and truly wicked people, but Jesus didn't come here to save the saved. He came to heal the sick (physically and spiritually). I cannot assume that just because I am faithful and seek to know God's will for my life and my kids are little and they are saved. I need some scripture to back that up. (MickinEngland)
Firstly, Catholicism is satanic, so the sooner you get your child away from a Catholic school the better..Secondly the Rapture is also Satanic, so stay away from that too..(To expand on that - Catholics are basically decent people, but they let Satan loosen their hold on Jesus by praying to his human mum instead, and I bet Satan is chuckling!
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I would be careful to send a child to a Catholic school. The Catholic church (the leaders) are blasphemous (the priests being able to forgive sins is completely un-Biblical). Although, there are a lot of Catholics that follow the word of God over the worldly wisdom and teachings of man.
I do agree with you, Mick and Wakka. That was one problem that I had with my own Catholic upbringing (the praying to Mary and saints). But the alternative is to send him to a public school and I'm not sure that's better, especially here in Vermont, where the liberal social agenda is much more important in the schools than science and history. My kids know we are not Catholics, we teach them not to pray to saints, that no denomination has it all right (why else would Jesus take the time to warn the seven churches of their errors and judgements?). Just last night we talked about being careful not to say the prayers that praise the church. I am praying, praying that my husband will come to agreement with me about my desire to take him from that school.But in the meantime, what do you all think is the proper analysis of Nicolaitanes?
So....he rebelled in that age and took 1/3 of God's children with him:Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Instead of killing His children for their disobedience He destroyed the age. In this present 2nd age all of us must be born of woman and make our minds up as to who we will follow. This age is a spiritual war and the next is one of spiritual judgment.
Ok, bear with me because I really want to understand this. Are you saying that this explains your previous statement? (whirlwind)
There was an age before this one and all souls from that time must be born into this age before the end can come.
I don't see where it says that we must all be born of woman. And please don't dismiss me now, but I am not ready to study the GAP theory or the timetable of Genesis yet. I have often thought about these things and know that there are great mysteries, but I also know that I will fully understand when it is my time to understand. Right now I feel very urgently about the salvation of my children and how do I protect them from the mark of the beast. I believe that there are truly good people and truly wicked people, but Jesus didn't come here to save the saved. He came to heal the sick (physically and spiritually). I cannot assume that just because I am faithful and seek to know God's will for my life and my kids are little and they are saved. I need some scripture to back that up. (MickinEngland)
Firstly, Catholicism is satanic, so the sooner you get your child away from a Catholic school the better..Secondly the Rapture is also Satanic, so stay away from that too..(To expand on that - Catholics are basically decent people, but they let Satan loosen their hold on Jesus by praying to his human mum instead, and I bet Satan is chuckling!
(Wakka)
I would be careful to send a child to a Catholic school. The Catholic church (the leaders) are blasphemous (the priests being able to forgive sins is completely un-Biblical). Although, there are a lot of Catholics that follow the word of God over the worldly wisdom and teachings of man.
I do agree with you, Mick and Wakka. That was one problem that I had with my own Catholic upbringing (the praying to Mary and saints). But the alternative is to send him to a public school and I'm not sure that's better, especially here in Vermont, where the liberal social agenda is much more important in the schools than science and history. My kids know we are not Catholics, we teach them not to pray to saints, that no denomination has it all right (why else would Jesus take the time to warn the seven churches of their errors and judgements?). Just last night we talked about being careful not to say the prayers that praise the church. I am praying, praying that my husband will come to agreement with me about my desire to take him from that school.But in the meantime, what do you all think is the proper analysis of Nicolaitanes?
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