Two White Horses

(Red_Letters88;58480)
Now wait a minute Kriss, you assume that the kicking out of satan from heaven is ALSO the way the antichrist will make an entry. Thats all assumption
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So now the early church and the church fathers were infallible? Btw, check out that link.
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I already place more trust into this guys study then all the random grabs for understanding I see here. Please Tom, what (in scripture) do you not agree with this guy on?
This is why I trust NO one. I know I said this before to you on AIM, and I'm going to say this publically on this forum. Now this is not directly aiming at you, but everybody...If the whole world just SHUT UP for a minute, we can hear God clearly. Apparently I had SHUT UP myself for a while and still am doing it.

(1 of 3 Martyrs;58520)
And where are Polycarp's writings about Satan being the man of sin?
Im pretty sure hes got some writings on the eucharist as well.

(Red_Letters88;58519)
Um...He was responding to me 1 of 3...about a link I posted
Doh!Sorry.

Didnt Polycarp keep the Saturday Sabbath as well?

Im not trying to slander the guy, Kriss. But with some of the add-ons that these "church fathers" had, its difficult to ALWAYS take their word for it.

(Red_Letters88;58526)
Im not trying to slander the guy, Kriss. But with some of the add-ons that these "church fathers" had, its difficult to ALWAYS take their word for it.
Church fathers? What church fathers?Revelation 1:4 - John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;...1.Revelation 2:1 - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;2.Revelation 2:8 - And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;3.Revelation 2:12 - And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;4.Revelation 2:18 - And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;5.Revelation 3:1 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.6.Revelation 3:6 - And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;7.Revelation 3:14 - And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;......The two churches God is pleased are...1.The church of Smyyrna2.The church of Philadelphia

(thesuperjag;58527)
Church fathers? What church fathers?Revelation 1:4 - John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;...1.Revelation 2:1 - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;2.Revelation 2:8 - And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;3.Revelation 2:12 - And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;4.Revelation 2:18 - And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;5.Revelation 3:1 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.6.Revelation 3:6 - And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;7.Revelation 3:14 - And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;......The two churches God is pleased are...1.The church of Smyyrna2.The church of Philadelphia
I wasnt literally calling them church fathers- nor asking which ones had true leaders...Im pointing out even some of the "church fathers" had additional teachings that had been taught to them and they to others that are not biblical.

(Red_Letters;58528)
(thesuperjag;58527)
Church fathers? What church fathers?Revelation 1:4 - John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;...1.Revelation 2:1 - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;2.Revelation 2:8 - And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;3.Revelation 2:12 - And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;4.Revelation 2:18 - And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;5.Revelation 3:1 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.6.Revelation 3:6 - And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;7.Revelation 3:14 - And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;......The two churches God is pleased are...1.The church of Smyyrna2.The church of Philadelphia
I wasnt literally calling them church fathers- nor asking which ones had true leaders...Im pointing out even some of the "church fathers" had additional teachings that had been taught to them and they to others that are not biblical.None of the churches that God is SO pleased with preaches additional teaching...What kind of additional teaching has been going around...?Let me see...1. Satan is not the Anti-Christ, but some random human (seeing witness on this thread)2. Judas is the "son of Perdition" (Son of Perdition thread)3. 6,000 years old Earth (Our Young Earth thread)4. Rapture (Numerous threads)5. Judas committed suicide (obviously ignoring Acts 1:16-18)6. Adam and Eve ate a literal fruit off a literal tree. (Numerous threads)7. Cain is Adam's son. (Numerous threads)... AND so on...

(thesuperjag;58529)
None of the churches that God is SO pleased with preaches additional teaching...What kind of additional teaching has been going around...?Let me see...1. Satan is not the Anti-Christ, but some random human (seeing witness on this thread)2. Judas is the "son of Perdition" (Son of Perdition thread)3. 6,000 years old Earth (Our Young Earth thread)4. Rapture (Numerous threads)5. Judas committed suicide (obviously ignoring Acts 1:16-18)6. Adam and Eve ate a literal fruit off a literal tree. (Numerous threads)7. Cain is Adam's son. (Numerous threads)... AND so on...
Half of those are interpretations with add-ins that people are so quick to follow just because the "experienced" teach them. Dont forget to add to the list that Satans trinity is an actual trinity- not a unholy trinity. How fun it is to add to scripture!

(Red_Letters88;58530)
(thesuperjag;58529)
None of the churches that God is SO pleased with preaches additional teaching...What kind of additional teaching has been going around...?Let me see...1. Satan is not the Anti-Christ, but some random human (seeing witness on this thread)2. Judas is the "son of Perdition" (Son of Perdition thread)3. 6,000 years old Earth (Our Young Earth thread)4. Rapture (Numerous threads)5. Judas committed suicide (obviously ignoring Acts 1:16-18)6. Adam and Eve ate a literal fruit off a literal tree. (Numerous threads)7. Cain is Adam's son. (Numerous threads)... AND so on...
Half of those are interpretations with add-ins that people are so quick to follow just because the "experienced" teach them. Dont forget to add to the list that Satans trinity is an actual trinity- not a unholy trinity. How fun it is to add to scripture!Add-ins? List them please!And who is quick to follow?

This topic is going in circles. I will give it a little longer but then I think we should move on.

(Red_Letters;58553)
(kriss;58546)
Why are we even arguing this the point the Bible says what it says the fact the the early fathers back this teaching doesnt mean they are 100% right on everthing but if what they say backs fathers Word then I say we can take that as a second wittness this is getting out of hand. The story of Rev. is learned precept upon precept concept upon concept how many in this thread have put in the work to do so? you dont even understand the building blocks how we came to our conclusion but are arguing about the harest parts the last pteces of the puzzel without even understanding what the picture is.You find 3 four verses that are the very last thing that the final pieces that one comes to understand and then want to ignore the fifty to 100 that lead one to the answer and then ask us to explain the answer without any foundation learning that makes it possable to understand the last few and verses. It was a sealede book until the end times theopening of the seal is hidden in the book and one musy aquire wisdom to find it. I can tell you all day but until you have followed the precept upon precept to gain the wisdom You will not understand We have no problem teaching anyone the precept upon precet of how we got here but it seems all you want to do is prove us wrong. Without one iota of proof except to demand we explain what cant be explained without putting the puzzel together. This is really quite ironic sense not one single one of you nay sayers have a clue who antichrist is So tell me did God lie when he said he had foretold us all things? Where is your wisdom that you nay sayers know who he is ? I have not seen it. Yet You will attack us for saying God tells you who it is perhaps If you, as Jag says, shutup and listen to what God is saying, maybe God says it best Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.We have shown you who God says this man is yet because it doesnt fit your mens ideas you deny it because you dont understand the rest of the puzzel God himself says it takes wisdom to figure it out. Wisdom doesnt come from us it comes from God.Rev13:18 has an answer in Gods Word the question is do you have the wisdom to understand it.
You have yet to show me where The dragon (satan, lucifer) is ever called the false prophet or antichrist or beast. Rev 13:18 alone disproves its satan due to the fact that it says it is a number of a MAN, does it say this is the number of a fallen angel that will appear as a man? No. 2 Thess 2:9 (niv) says the COMING of the Man of Sin will be What??? satan? no- it says Satans WORK. Until we live 30 more years and read books from 70 years ago about how someone else interprets it- you guys will never even listen to people like me and 1 of 3. The only reason you havent faced opposition like this before- is because like most they are not willing to look into it- to disprove the "elders" interpretation. I simply am not settled with just taking your word for it- Or polycarps (even though you still havent shown us his writings on this). You accused of someone in a earlier thread- and I think its what you all are doing now- Start with a destination in mind- and try to simply force the pieces together with different interpretations and words like "offices."Please... it's not us who aren't listening... so who is right, Christ, the Son of the Living God? Or is it men, who is literally flawed is right? Scriptures has been telling us all over the place, of how Satan is and how he works, and why he is THE ONLY SOUL JUDGED to die the second death, which is the Lake of Fire...yet you just can't see it...nor does 1 of 3...There is much danger in believing in a lie Brandon even 1 of 3.Mark 13:23 - But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.I repeat, nowhere in the bible saying God and Satan being three people. All I see are titles to see a MAN'S characteristic and actions.

So verses like 2 thess 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,And Rev 20:10, have absolutely no place in our bible. Perhaps this was a translation error?

(Red_Letters88;58558)
So verses like 2 thess 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,And Rev 20:10, have absolutely no place in our bible. Perhaps this was a translation error?
II Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;II Thessalonians 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled....Ezekiel 28:2 - Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:Ezekiel 28:6 - Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

II Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.