If, assuming there is a god that created everything etc, then why have you chosen your particular faith? What makes the difference between, say, christianity and islam? Mormonism and scientology? I am not looking for textbook answers on religion, I do realize their superficial differences, I would just like personal opinions on why your god is better than anyone elses from now back to the first legends and myths. All religions are man made, so assuming a creator, why is one better than another? Why is christianity any better than the church of the flying spaghetti monster? How come it is more ludicrous that we were created by a plate of spaghetti, than by a "supernatural being that transends time, space and human knowledge" I am not looking to debunk anyones religion here, merely to see why so many people think their religion is superior than anyone elses. Nor am I looking for mindless bible quoting, so do me a favor if you will and leave these religious texts out as a reason for your beliefs. For example, if you were to say that the christian god is the one true and only god because the bible says so, I will automatically dismiss that statement because pretty much all religions state that you will be punished somehow if you don't believe in that particular god.I am not asking anyone to forsake their sacred books or anything, just personal reasons on why their faith is so much more important than others.
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It is because of the Bible it is 100% accurate in its prophecies whether you are reading from Exodus looking forward to the promised land or reading from the death of Christ toward the reformation of the state of Israel in 1948. It has the answer to every question about life about the past and about the future. There is no other book like it in the world not the Koran written several hundred years after Christ. Scientology is a man made religion the Bible has no religious denominations other than you must believe in Christ. other than that is has no religion it was written for all Even the Koran recognizes the Bible.No other book in the entire world tells you how the earth started and how it will end and what will happen in between
So if the bible is 100% absolutely correct, I am to believe, for instance, that noah took 2 animals of each kind on his ark to wait out a flood. 2 of every mammal, bird, reptile, whale etc. in the world onto 1 boat! You need not be a rocket scientist to figure out that cramming every living thing on earth on one boat is a physical impossibility. There must have been food for noah and the animals, taking up massive amounts of space and weight. Or did they all just starve for a week or so? The bible says that 8 people survived on this boat, 8 people tended to and cared for tens of thousands of different species? The bible also states that snakes and plants talked to man? Come on, maybe this can be accepted by a grade school class, but to logical thinking people this is absolute nonsense. Snakes cannot talk, this is known fact as they do not possess the organs to speak verbally. Not to mention plants, are..well...plants. If I am to believe it is 100% true and accurate, then the bible should have no contradictions? Right?For 1 example of rampant contradiction I will ask "Do christians sin?" Lets see what the bible says:No one is without sin. 1 Kings 8:46 There is no man that sinneth not.2 Chronicles 6:36 There is no man which sinneth not.Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. Romans 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.But wait..Christians are sinless.(And so are some non-christians.)Romans 5:14 Death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned.1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not.1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.3 John 11 He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.Ok with just those few examples, how can one believe something is truth, when the very thing they believe in is self-contradictory and goes against provable laws of physics and nature?
Yes it 100% accurate but you have to know the difference between fairy tales of men and what the hebrew an greek languages say and there would have been no need to take fish on board, And it was only the animals that existed at that time. and yes that is correct there is no man that is without sin but the death of Christ on the cross changed the penalty of sin now any one can repent that is ask Gods forgiveness with ones whole heart and you are forgiven. Every Christain will sin again because one can not be in the flesh and not sin but there is no end to forgivenessif one truly believes in Christ and asks for the forgivness with their heart another words are truly sorry for the sinSo the bible isnt contradictory its the same as it was from the begining only the penalty for sin has changed with the New testament
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Yes it 100% accurate but you have to know the difference between fairy tales of men and what the hebrew an greek languages say
So basically what you are saying is that it is an interpretation issue between languages, which is known and common. So the hebrew and greek language bibles would surely not have these fairy tales in them right?(kriss;33088)
and there would have been no need to take fish on board, And it was only the animals that existed at that time.
If it was only the animals then, are you saying we have more species now? If evolution is false then how did we get more, different animals? The bible makes no such claims to creating more wildlife after this flood, thats what the ark was for, right? So, one would assume that thousands upon thousands of different animals would have been rounded up and stuffed on a boat, according to the bible, which I am told, is 100% accurate.(kriss;33088)
and yes that is correct there is no man that is without sin but the death of Christ on the cross changed the penalty of sin now any one can repent that is ask Gods forgiveness with ones whole heart and you are forgiven. Every Christain will sin again because one can not be in the flesh and not sin but there is no end to forgivenessif one truly believes in Christ and asks for the forgivness with their heart another words are truly sorry for the sinSo the bible isnt contradictory its the same as it was from the begining only the penalty for sin has changed with the New testament
Thats is only opinion. If it is indeed accurate and infallible, one would have to literally interpret the truth right? I hear this a lot, that the bible is the absolute word of god and everything in it is truth. But when someone brings up passages dealing with the advocation of slavery, genocide, infanticide;the ark, talking bushes etc. It is open to interpretation, it changed through the years and so on. But when it comes to these core beliefs, such as jesus was dead for 3 days then rose from the dead, then it becomes absolute and immutable. That is cherry-picking what you want, and disregarding what you don't. So which is it, is the bible black and white, or grayish depending on what message you wish to convey?
Yes it 100% accurate but you have to know the difference between fairy tales of men and what the hebrew an greek languages say
So basically what you are saying is that it is an interpretation issue between languages, which is known and common. So the hebrew and greek language bibles would surely not have these fairy tales in them right?(kriss;33088)
and there would have been no need to take fish on board, And it was only the animals that existed at that time.
If it was only the animals then, are you saying we have more species now? If evolution is false then how did we get more, different animals? The bible makes no such claims to creating more wildlife after this flood, thats what the ark was for, right? So, one would assume that thousands upon thousands of different animals would have been rounded up and stuffed on a boat, according to the bible, which I am told, is 100% accurate.(kriss;33088)
and yes that is correct there is no man that is without sin but the death of Christ on the cross changed the penalty of sin now any one can repent that is ask Gods forgiveness with ones whole heart and you are forgiven. Every Christain will sin again because one can not be in the flesh and not sin but there is no end to forgivenessif one truly believes in Christ and asks for the forgivness with their heart another words are truly sorry for the sinSo the bible isnt contradictory its the same as it was from the begining only the penalty for sin has changed with the New testament
Thats is only opinion. If it is indeed accurate and infallible, one would have to literally interpret the truth right? I hear this a lot, that the bible is the absolute word of god and everything in it is truth. But when someone brings up passages dealing with the advocation of slavery, genocide, infanticide;the ark, talking bushes etc. It is open to interpretation, it changed through the years and so on. But when it comes to these core beliefs, such as jesus was dead for 3 days then rose from the dead, then it becomes absolute and immutable. That is cherry-picking what you want, and disregarding what you don't. So which is it, is the bible black and white, or grayish depending on what message you wish to convey?
Dear Athiest, Peace be upon You. The reason why I prefer the religion of Islam over other religions is because it doesn’t make me blindly follow its commandments. Rather it is very organized in terms of it’s Primary or secondary principles and provides the reasoning or logic for it’s ideologies and practices. For example, one of its primary principles is the belief in one God. Islam explains the reason why there can only be one God, if any. It explains how one reaches to the conclusion that God even exists and so forth. And, it’s answers satisfy my curiosity and questions. Likewise, another primary belief is that in Divine Leaders i-e Prophet Muhammad and the rest of the 124,000 Prophets sent by God. Islam explains the reason why Divine Leaders (with infallibility) are required in order to Guide rest of the humanity towards God’s religion and that why is it that God won’t do this job Himself e.t.c And so forth. As I continue to learn various reasoning and logics behind Islam’s ideologies, it makes sense to me and thus, it becomes easier for me to digest Islam’s literature. Although, in Islam, we have references of miracles of various Prophets, including Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, but in Islam, the pillar of faith is not to be relied upon miracles. Rather according to Islam, the greatest of miracles of God is the human mind. It allows ideas to be thought through and reasoned out. Islam appeals to human reason. Man must accept God through reason and not through miracles.Be blessed.
Brother atheist85 I choose islam not because i was born into a muslim family.Honestly I never really paid much attention to it until my late 20's and also questioned my self is it that I was born into a muslim family I'm suppose to believe its right what if for eg:- the christian faith is right then what ?So i looked at many religons from an unbaised point of view.Hinduism -too many gods and too much fantasy and mythology.I read some of the bible too many contradictions and some mythology,too many books/verses/stories which I felt god would not have put in his word .the fact 3 is 1 and 1 is 3 non logical.Jesus died for my sins and if i believe that ,its enough to be saved.the concept of orginal sin,first it says no man shall bear the sin of another and then tell's me I was born a sinner .Did adam ask me before he ate the apple,if he did than maybe i can be accused of being a accomplice. I only read the quran a few years back with some understanding .the beauty being there is only god and one alone I dont need intercessor to pray to him .And i will be held accountable for the only acts I do and not my forefathers did and nobody will be responsible for my acts other than myself .The many scientific facts mentioned which some we have only discoverd recently for eg the big bang.Facts on astronomy,geology,biology and many others .Which any person with even minimal knowledge can understand it was impossible for an illterate camel driver of arabia 1400 yrs ago,a land where only a few dozen men knew how to read or write to know these facts.It gives people and specially women rights ( something the so called modern west didnt have as late as the 60's ).Everything is explained with logic .It answers all my questions, Give me guidlines on how to love and take care of my parents, my wife,my children how to respect my elders .And gives rights to people and my self over me.for eg:-My neighbour has certain rights over me.How to respect people and humanity in general regardless wheter muslim or non muslim And most of all I repeat there is only ONE god and one alone ,not 1,2,3,4,5,6 but just one and he defines himselfs beautifully say there is one god ,he the everliving ,unborn or never to die,he does not beget and nor is he begotten ,and nothing in this universe which is like him . And that is why my brother I choose Islam as my faith
Atheist.85 :But wait..Christians are sinless.(And so are some non-christians.)Thunder1:What do you mean by that? Did I miss something? Are Christians sinless. I would like to meet one.
Desertdude:The reason why I prefer the religion of Islam over other religions is because it doesn’t make me blindly follow its commandments.Thunder1:What makes you think Christians follow BLINDLY what the Bible teaches?Desertdude: Rather it is very organized in terms of it’s Primary or secondary principles and provides the reasoning or logic for it’s ideologies and practices. Thunder1:I personally find it very non logical, yes possibly ideological and 'ritualistic'.Desertdude:For example, one of its primary principles is the belief in one God. Thunder1:Christians believe in one GOD.Desertdude:Islam explains the reason why there can only be one God, if any. It explains how one reaches to the conclusion that God even exists and so forth. And, it’s answers satisfy my curiosity and questions. Thunder1:The Bible tells there is only one true living God. And He is the Creator of everything.Desertdude:Likewise, another primary belief is that in Divine Leaders i-e Prophet Muhammad and the rest of the 124,000 Prophets sent by God. Islam explains the reason why Divine Leaders (with infallibility) are required in order to Guide rest of the humanity towards God’s religion and that why is it that God won’t do this job Himself e.t.c And so forth. Thunder1:Was Muhammed a divine leader and sent by the true living God? How do you know?Desertdude:As I continue to learn various reasoning and logics behind Islam’s ideologies, it makes sense to me... Thunder1:For me it does not make sense at all.Desertdude:...and thus, it becomes easier for me to digest Islam’s literature. Although, in Islam, we have references of miracles of various Prophets, including Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, but in Islam, the pillar of faith is not to be relied upon miracles.Thunder1:In Christianity people don't rely on miracles, miracles just happen.Wow, I wonder how that's possible for the Creator of the whole universe to do those miracles even today.Desertdude: Rather according to Islam, the greatest of miracles of God is the human mind. It allows ideas to be thought through and reasoned out. Islam appeals to human reason. Man must accept God through reason and not through miracles.Thunder1:As I said before Christianity don't rely on miracles, but they just happen. Who can limit the Creator of the whole universe. Human mind can play tricks on you. Devil can take hold of it. So watch out ! But it's ok to ask questions in Christianity. Nothing wrong with it. And you are allowed to be a sceptic, atheist, buddhist, hindu, muslim, nothing... rocket scientist, whatever you want to be. Choice is yours.Our Creator gave us a mind / brain to think, He did not make us robots or puppets. He is not forcing anybody, But our true living God loves people so much that He does not want anybody to perish but have eternal life. That's why He sent His only Son Jesus to die for our sins that we could go to heaven. But God gave you free will to choose. THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE LIVING GOD !
desertdude : I read some of the bible too many contradictions and some mythology,too many books/verses/stories which I felt god would not have put in his word .the fact 3 is 1 and 1 is 3 non logical.Jesus died for my sins and if i believe that ,its enough to be saved.the concept of orginal sin,first it says no man shall bear the sin of another and then tell's me I was born a sinner .Did adam ask me before he ate the apple,if he did than maybe i can be accused of being a accomplice.Thunder1:Yes you were born a sinner. And there is no other way to the only true living God than through Jesus. I've read Quran also and it does not make sense to me at all. Jesus was NOT ONLY a man, BUT THE SAVIOUR, and THE SON OF THE ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD. JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS, ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND IS LIVING IN me THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, TODAY.Desertdude: I only read the quran a few years back with some understanding .the beauty being there is only god and one alone Thunder1:IN Christianity there is only ONE GOD.Desertdude:I dont need intercessor to pray to him .Thunder1:I can pray myself, Jesus is also praying. One day you might cry to Him.Deserdude:And i will be held accountable for the only acts I do...Thunder1:... you mean the acts you are doing right now. May Our loving God have mercy on you I pray. I'm praying for you, I can't go against the truth.Desertdude:... and not my forefathers did and nobody will be responsible for my acts other than myself .The many scientific facts mentioned which some we have only discoverd recently for eg the big bang.Facts on astronomy,geology,biology and many others .Which any person with even minimal knowledge can understand it was impossible for an illterate camel driver of arabia 1400 yrs ago,a land where only a few dozen men knew how to read or write to know these facts.It gives people and specially women rights ( something the so called modern west didnt have as late as the 60's ).Everything is explained with logic .It answers all my questions, Give me guidlines on how to love and take care of my parents, my wife,my children how to respect my elders .And gives rights to people and my self over me.for eg:-My neighbour has certain rights over me.How to respect people and humanity in general regardless wheter muslim or non muslim Thunder1:The Bible gives guidelines how to live, it gives answers to those who are WILLING TO LISTEN. It tells who is the only true living God and what kind of God/ Heavenly Father He is.Desertdude:And most of all I repeat there is only ONE god and one alone ,not 1,2,3,4,5,6 but just one and he defines himselfs beautifully say there is one god ,he the everliving ,unborn or never to die,he does not beget and nor is he begotten ,and nothing in this universe which is like him .Thunder1:I repeat also there is only one TRUE LIVING GOD. AND HE LOVES ALL HUMANKIND.
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Atheist.85 :But wait..Christians are sinless.(And so are some non-christians.)Thunder1:What do you mean by that? Did I miss something? Are Christians sinless. I would like to meet one.
What I meant? I was showing evidence(found in your very bible) pointing to just one of the rampant and numerous contradictions in the bible. There are bible verses which clearly say all are without sin, yet there are verses which say everyone is a sinner? I found quite a few of these, which I gave above, and 6 of the ones I showed are even in the same exact book! How is this not contradictory?
Atheist.85 :But wait..Christians are sinless.(And so are some non-christians.)Thunder1:What do you mean by that? Did I miss something? Are Christians sinless. I would like to meet one.
What I meant? I was showing evidence(found in your very bible) pointing to just one of the rampant and numerous contradictions in the bible. There are bible verses which clearly say all are without sin, yet there are verses which say everyone is a sinner? I found quite a few of these, which I gave above, and 6 of the ones I showed are even in the same exact book! How is this not contradictory?
Atheist.85,I know I have told you that I used to be an Atheist, but am no longer one. I am a Christian without a religion, and don't need a religion made by man. In fact there is only one way to Heaven and that is Christ only. (John 14:6)Once we sinned against the Maker, we become sinful, there is only one without sin and that is Christ alone. (II Corinthians 5:21, 2 Peter 2:22, Hebrews 4:15, I John 3:15)Every single human is a liar. (Psalm 116:11) God Himself can't lie. (Romans 3:4) It is amazing so how many people accusing Christ these days. ... *sigh*JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(thesuperjag;33110)
Atheist.85,I know I have told you that I used to be an Atheist, but am no longer one. I am a Christian without a religion, and don't need a religion made by man.
Ok, a christian without a religion is an oxymoron. That would be akin to me saying I am a religious atheist. The fact that you say you are a christian and quote from the christian bible, while professing your love for christ, one would say you are part of christianity- a religion. (thesuperjag;33110)
It is amazing so how many people accusing Christ these days. ... *sigh*JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Hmm, not sure I follow this. What have I accused jesus of? Not being real, ok but to be fair thats more of a speculation than accusation.
Atheist.85,I know I have told you that I used to be an Atheist, but am no longer one. I am a Christian without a religion, and don't need a religion made by man.
Ok, a christian without a religion is an oxymoron. That would be akin to me saying I am a religious atheist. The fact that you say you are a christian and quote from the christian bible, while professing your love for christ, one would say you are part of christianity- a religion. (thesuperjag;33110)
It is amazing so how many people accusing Christ these days. ... *sigh*JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Hmm, not sure I follow this. What have I accused jesus of? Not being real, ok but to be fair thats more of a speculation than accusation.
hey Atheist.85! to answer your question of why i live for Jesus.. there are too many to list but aside from what Kriss said about all the prophesies comming true ect. it would be becouse before i have found that when i try to take on my life alone i always manage to mess up big time. when i sin and say to myself "oh well, what could possibly happen? its not that big of a deal and i cant see how it can hurt anyone" but something always happens as a result of it that makes me think "wow, i would have never quessed it would result in this happening
" even if its just a feeling of regret, i find it more fun being happy. also, when i make a choice on my own about something it usually ends up being a wrong one. but when i pray and ask Jesus to do his will in the situation it always turns out, even though alot of the time i would be in a mad panic if i didnt have faith that he will make the best choice for me, since i have come to find what i think is the right time and what are thinks is the right time are two very diffrent times haha. and of course, there are many times i have really messed up making my own choice.. i have baffled many that i am still alive, many times.. doctors included. but, becouse when i prayed after i messed up and asked for forgiveness, i am living proof that if you have faith and pray there is nothing God cant doas for Noah and his critters, i think its Gods way of helping us build faith. theres no doubt in my mind that it happened, and if i try to figure out how i will just give myself a sore head haha.. but i know it happened. same way it would hurt my head trying to figure out how this computer works.. its a blessing i even know how to turn it on, but i know its still possible to talk to people through it. if God can make a universe and everything in it, im shure he can figure out a way to get a few furrballs into a boat. i think he did it and had it recorded in the bible to show anything is possible through him. it does say in the bible that we have be like children to get into heaven, in otherwords trust with our everything and believe what we are told without picking it apart to see if they are telling the truth, just trusting that the one we love is loving and guiding us.:shepard:
" even if its just a feeling of regret, i find it more fun being happy. also, when i make a choice on my own about something it usually ends up being a wrong one. but when i pray and ask Jesus to do his will in the situation it always turns out, even though alot of the time i would be in a mad panic if i didnt have faith that he will make the best choice for me, since i have come to find what i think is the right time and what are thinks is the right time are two very diffrent times haha. and of course, there are many times i have really messed up making my own choice.. i have baffled many that i am still alive, many times.. doctors included. but, becouse when i prayed after i messed up and asked for forgiveness, i am living proof that if you have faith and pray there is nothing God cant doas for Noah and his critters, i think its Gods way of helping us build faith. theres no doubt in my mind that it happened, and if i try to figure out how i will just give myself a sore head haha.. but i know it happened. same way it would hurt my head trying to figure out how this computer works.. its a blessing i even know how to turn it on, but i know its still possible to talk to people through it. if God can make a universe and everything in it, im shure he can figure out a way to get a few furrballs into a boat. i think he did it and had it recorded in the bible to show anything is possible through him. it does say in the bible that we have be like children to get into heaven, in otherwords trust with our everything and believe what we are told without picking it apart to see if they are telling the truth, just trusting that the one we love is loving and guiding us.:shepard:(country_lad;33113)
as for Noah and his critters, i think its Gods way of helping us build faith. theres no doubt in my mind that it happened, and if i try to figure out how i will just give myself a sore head haha.. but i know it happened. same way it would hurt my head trying to figure out how this computer works.. its a blessing i even know how to turn it on, but i know its still possible to talk to people through it. if God can make a universe and everything in it, im shure he can figure out a way to get a few furrballs into a boat. i think he did it and had it recorded in the bible to show anything is possible through him. it does say in the bible that we have be like children to get into heaven, in otherwords trust with our everything and believe what we are told without picking it apart to see if they are telling the truth, just trusting that the one we love is loving and guiding us.:shepard:
So the bible is basically instructing all who believe in it to forget about thinking and the pursuit of knowledge because it says so? That alone defies reason. "Don't think, just do" is a common stance for a lot of religions it seems. From my own experiences in the world, trust and love must be earned, not to be blindly given away to anyone or anything that claims they have what I am searching for.
as for Noah and his critters, i think its Gods way of helping us build faith. theres no doubt in my mind that it happened, and if i try to figure out how i will just give myself a sore head haha.. but i know it happened. same way it would hurt my head trying to figure out how this computer works.. its a blessing i even know how to turn it on, but i know its still possible to talk to people through it. if God can make a universe and everything in it, im shure he can figure out a way to get a few furrballs into a boat. i think he did it and had it recorded in the bible to show anything is possible through him. it does say in the bible that we have be like children to get into heaven, in otherwords trust with our everything and believe what we are told without picking it apart to see if they are telling the truth, just trusting that the one we love is loving and guiding us.:shepard:
So the bible is basically instructing all who believe in it to forget about thinking and the pursuit of knowledge because it says so? That alone defies reason. "Don't think, just do" is a common stance for a lot of religions it seems. From my own experiences in the world, trust and love must be earned, not to be blindly given away to anyone or anything that claims they have what I am searching for.
well, for me it took a while to get to the trusting point. at first i figured the bible was a bunch of rules people wrote to keep peace in the world.. or maybe just to brainwash as you say. it wasnt untill after i accepted Jesus and started making sence of the things written in the bible that i started to see it for what it really is, the word of God. and i figure, if God created me, loves me, and wants me to be blessed by him for all eternity than the least i can do for him is trust him with my heart and soul and obey him.. after all, i trusted my parents and obeyed them, and in return they kept me away from danger, safe, and loved me unconditionally. how much more love God has for us, and how much more he has done for us.. dieing on the cross for us.. and all he asks is that we love and obey his teachings so we dont have satan trying to suck all the love and happiness from us and dragging us down with him to spend an eternity away from God, forever. if you had something you wanted to share with people, something that you know is the most wonderful thing ever.. would you share it with the people who turn their back on you, decieve you, dont trust you, or tell you they will be your friend if you prove to them you have something to share with them.. or would you rather share with the people who love you for you, trust you when you say you love them and want to make them happy, the ones who do thier best to make you happy, the ones who share with you? myself, i would rather spend eternity with true friends rather than the ones who dont care about me or even want to get to know me, but only have their own self intrest. ...kind of makes sence does it not?
(Atheist.85;33118)
So the bible is basically instructing all who believe in it to forget about thinking and the pursuit of knowledge because it says so? That alone defies reason. "Don't think, just do" is a common stance for a lot of religions it seems. From my own experiences in the world, trust and love must be earned, not to be blindly given away to anyone or anything that claims they have what I am searching for.
There is no need to not think...nor does He instruct us to not think....He does instruct us to study because with study comes knowledge and there are NO contradictions. There is misunderstanding only by those that do not study. Apparently you are one. May I suggest.....:bible:He loves you but He has IF's attached to His promises. It is His wish that all come to repentence but they won't. We have free will to make that decision...in other words you have a choice to make. Will you follow Satan or follow God because there are only two routes.So...continue to search in your worldly adventures for something to give your love and trust to. He'll be there for a time but not forever!Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me.Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open unto us;' and He shall answer and say unto you, 'I know you not whence ye are:'He stands there and knocks but you have to answer, you have to open the door. There comes a time when it will be too late. It's your choice!.......Whirlwind
So the bible is basically instructing all who believe in it to forget about thinking and the pursuit of knowledge because it says so? That alone defies reason. "Don't think, just do" is a common stance for a lot of religions it seems. From my own experiences in the world, trust and love must be earned, not to be blindly given away to anyone or anything that claims they have what I am searching for.
There is no need to not think...nor does He instruct us to not think....He does instruct us to study because with study comes knowledge and there are NO contradictions. There is misunderstanding only by those that do not study. Apparently you are one. May I suggest.....:bible:He loves you but He has IF's attached to His promises. It is His wish that all come to repentence but they won't. We have free will to make that decision...in other words you have a choice to make. Will you follow Satan or follow God because there are only two routes.So...continue to search in your worldly adventures for something to give your love and trust to. He'll be there for a time but not forever!Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me.Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open unto us;' and He shall answer and say unto you, 'I know you not whence ye are:'He stands there and knocks but you have to answer, you have to open the door. There comes a time when it will be too late. It's your choice!.......Whirlwind
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He loves you but He has IF's attached to His promises. It is His wish that all come to repentence but they won't. We have free will to make that decision...in other words you have a choice to make. Will you follow Satan or follow God because there are only two routes.
So, we were created with a plan in mind, from an omnipotent god, and given free will, only to be punished for exercising that very same free will to believe in whatever we want? What is the point of free will from a god, when that god says there is only one way? Not very free if you ask me. What is the point in creating us if hes just going to kill us all off eventually and torture the ones whom didn't believe exactly as they were told? This does not sound like a benevolent god to me, seems rather sadistic and enigmatic to put it lightly.
He loves you but He has IF's attached to His promises. It is His wish that all come to repentence but they won't. We have free will to make that decision...in other words you have a choice to make. Will you follow Satan or follow God because there are only two routes.
So, we were created with a plan in mind, from an omnipotent god, and given free will, only to be punished for exercising that very same free will to believe in whatever we want? What is the point of free will from a god, when that god says there is only one way? Not very free if you ask me. What is the point in creating us if hes just going to kill us all off eventually and torture the ones whom didn't believe exactly as they were told? This does not sound like a benevolent god to me, seems rather sadistic and enigmatic to put it lightly.
I am new...i wont make this long and drawn out. Its all about Faith...God is a faith God. I believe in Christ because I know for a fact that I am saved by his blood. There aint no reason to get into explaining it...if you dont have faith, you dont have anything. This may not answer your questions, but this is my simple answer to why i choose Christianity.
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