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To everyone who promotes hate for homosexuals, think oh what christ himself would do when he would talk to a homosexual.Would he call them names? NO!Would he degrade them? NO!Would he take away their humanity? NO!Would he banish them to hell? NO!Would he say that "God hates fags"?(Westboro) NO!He would say: "Amen, amen I say to you. I hope you soon discover the light of the Lord."To the rest of you that promote hate for homosexuals, GROW UP, and try to understand the love that Christ and our Lord wish to promote. Responding to sin with hate will only force them to continue their sin. The only way to reach out to those who sin is with the love of our Lord.People like those in the Westboro Church have no right to call themselves followers with the hate they promote.
I agree with the Westboro Church part, they help nobody... but you are missing one thing.John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments....Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Matthew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.This is a difference between a sinner and a habitual sinner. Please learn. Homosexuality is a sin. (Romans 1:24, Romans 1:26-28)
 

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Oh what a web we weave The fact is its an abomination to God do not give me this what would Christ do in fact God told us exactly what he would do ever read what he did to Sodom an Gomorrah???????Did he say to them I hope you see the the light.. get real ..there is no grey area here Gods hates the sin of Sodomy ..period.. If we love these homosexuals we are to warn them of danger there souls are in ...Not doing so makes you guilty of encouraging their sins. Yes, we are to hate the sin not the sinner but that doesnt mean accepting their sin as OK Gen 13:13 But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. If you love them be honest and tell them their fate we dont encourage them by giving them rights and coddeling them....to their death
 

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To everyone who promotes hate for homosexuals, think oh what christ himself would do when he would talk to a homosexual.Would he call them names? NO!Would he degrade them? NO!Would he take away their humanity? NO!Would he banish them to hell? NO!Would he say that "God hates fags"?(Westboro) NO!He would say: "Amen, amen I say to you. I hope you soon discover the light of the Lord."To the rest of you that promote hate for homosexuals, GROW UP, and try to understand the love that Christ and our Lord wish to promote. Responding to sin with hate will only force them to continue their sin. The only way to reach out to those who sin is with the love of our Lord.People like those in the Westboro Church have no right to call themselves followers with the hate they promote.
Study the word "ABOMINATION".Habitual sinners could care less about anything right, they are evil.Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
 

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Study the word "ABOMINATION".Habitual sinners could care less about anything right, they are evil.Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
THEY ARE STILL HUMANS DAMNIT! THEY STILL HAVE ROOM FOR GRACE!I don't know where you get off calling them an abomination. No one is an abomination. Everyone has room for grace. You know nothing of sin or grace or the great word of our Lord. Only the Lord has the right to cast someone because of their sins, not us mortals.
 

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Someone obviously has a problem with scriptures clearly from what God says. Humans itself is not an abomination, but humans who does and keeps living in sin is a habitual sinner and could careless what God says... every form of sin is clearly evil. It is an abomination. P-E-R-I-O-D.
 

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(The White Wolf;67057THEY ARE STILL HUMANS DAMNIT! THEY STILL HAVE ROOM FOR GRACE![/SIZE)
I don't know where you get off calling them an abomination. No one is an abomination. Everyone has room for grace. You know nothing of sin or grace or the great word of our Lord. Only the Lord has the right to cast someone because of their sins, not us mortals.
Your language is unacceptable You can get as angry as you like but profanity is unacceptable and you are being over the top no one said they were not humans you are angry because we are not willing to compromise God and listen to your politically correct opinions... God say its a sin its abomination to him period ... We do not encourage sin ..because we love the sinner.... not because we hate them.... A lesson you might take to heartWe live in a time when evil is called good and good evil.Read Sodom and Gomorrah they were warned and warned before they were destroyed... If you follow your God we need to warn them ...to save them... Your defense of their rights and actions ... Will bring them death of their soul.. Your either with God or against on this no room for in between
 

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Of course God hates all sin and habitual sinners are in big trouble if they don't repent and turn from their sins by accepting Christ and putting Him first in their lives.As I mentioned earlier, I was a lesbian but I have been saved because of my faith in Christ and turned my entire life around for the will of God.Every sinner has the chance to do that and we should encourage all by sharing the gospel. I agree that the gay / lesbian community do nothing for their cause by being up front and confrontational about it but I was one of them only a couple of months ago!! By being confrontational as Christians, we are only acting the way they are acting. Of course we should stand our ground and never sway from the word of God but to hate the sinner is just not biblical and will lead nobody to Christ. Remember the power of prayer. By confronting habitual sinners with the gospel, we are often aggravating things if we do not use the power of prayer. Jesus says not to cast your pearls before swine and we should, of course, heed that but that does not mean we should not pray for these sinners. God acts when He hears genuine prayer.I would still be a lesbian habitual sinner heading straight for hell if not for the grace of almighty God.
 

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THEY ARE STILL HUMANS DAMNIT! THEY STILL HAVE ROOM FOR GRACE!I don't know where you get off calling them an abomination. No one is an abomination. Everyone has room for grace. You know nothing of sin or grace or the great word of our Lord. Only the Lord has the right to cast someone because of their sins, not us mortals.
You are exactly right except that God calls it an abomination. Lev.18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. You are exactly right except that they (Jude:4) turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness.Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.I would say you know nothing of sin or grace or the great word of our Lord.God is Judge and examples are set forth (Jude:7) for our admonition.Are you (Jude:8) speaking evil of dignities? 2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.From such turn away.
 

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........From such turn away.
I'm so grateful that God didn't turn away from me. I was most of the above.
 

Wayne Murray

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I'm so grateful that God didn't turn away from me. I was most of the above.
His grace is sufficient but we must put forth our hand.Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Put forth our hand and assimilate from the tree of life, i.e. Jesus Christ.
 

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His grace is sufficient but we must put forth our hand.Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Put forth our hand and assimilate from the tree of life, i.e. Jesus Christ.
I'm not quite sure I follow what you mean there. In that passage, God is banishing Adam from the garden so he does NOT reach out his hand and take from the tree of life.That is very different from reaching out for Jesus Christ to be the core of your life.
 

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I'm not quite sure I follow what you mean there. In that passage, God is banishing Adam from the garden so he does NOT reach out his hand and take from the tree of life.That is very different from reaching out for Jesus Christ to be the core of your life.
Jesus Christ is the living Word, you must put forth your hand and assimilate knowledge. Christ had not paid the price yet for some but after the crucifixion this changed.1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
 

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His grace is sufficient but we must put forth our hand.Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Put forth our hand and assimilate from the tree of life, i.e. Jesus Christ.
I'm not quite sure I follow what you mean there. In that passage, God is banishing Adam from the garden so he does NOT reach out his hand and take from the tree of life.That is very different from reaching out for Jesus Christ to be the core of your life.AusDisciples, the Tree of Life is our Lord Jesus Christ. (John 14:6, Genesis 3:22)
 

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Jesus Christ is the living Word, you must put forth your hand and assimilate knowledge. Christ had not paid the price yet for some but after the crucifixion this changed.1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
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AusDisciples, the Tree of Life is our Lord Jesus Christ. (John 14:6, Genesis 3:22)
Guys, I realise that Jesus Christ is the tree of life but I'm not making the connection with the reason Wayne mentioned the Genesis account of banishing Adam from eating from the tree of life in response to me saying I am eternally grateful to our Lord for transforming my life so that I am saved.
 

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Guys, I realise that Jesus Christ is the tree of life but I'm not making the connection with the reason Wayne mentioned the Genesis account of banishing Adam from eating from the tree of life in response to me saying I am eternally grateful to our Lord for transforming my life so that I am saved.
God is always there and His grace is sufficient, but, we must put forth our hand, it requires action if you will on our part. We must gain knowledge from Jesus Christ (put forth our hand) before His grace is given. Freewill as it is called. Freewill and responsibility are inseparable. I pray this makes sense. If you take no action on your part, reaching out to Him and assimilating knowlege of His truth, then you will not receive the gift of grace and are in danger of judgment. Those that have reached out and assimilated knowledge are forgiven upon repentance, this also requires action on our part. Yes some are called chosen but they were justified in the first earth age when Satan rebelled. All others have freewill. The fairness of God in this earth age (flesh) is the price is paid for sin, but again it requires action to receive the gift of grace.
 

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God is always there and His grace is sufficient, but, we must put forth our hand, it requires action if you will on our part. We must gain knowledge from Jesus Christ (put forth our hand) before His grace is given. Freewill as it is called. Freewill and responsibility are inseparable. I pray this makes sense.
That makes perfect sense and I am now a living example of that, but I still don't understand how that links with God banishing Adam from the garden so he cannot eat from the tree of life.
 

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Wait a minute.... I think it just clicked!! I still have much to learn but was Adam then banished from the garden so that he needed to have faith in God for salvation rather than cheating with the eating of the fruit of the tree of life?
 

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Wait a minute.... I think it just clicked!! I still have much to learn but was Adam then banished from the garden so that he needed to have faith in God for salvation rather than cheating with the eating of the fruit of the tree of life?
Genesis 2:16 - And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:Genesis 2:17 - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.Adam's free will was to eat any tree he wants except the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. It requires action and faith to obey His Lord... but he ate the same fruit as Eve did... which obviously had dead faith...
 

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Wait a minute.... I think it just clicked!! I still have much to learn but was Adam then banished from the garden so that he needed to have faith in God for salvation rather than cheating with the eating of the fruit of the tree of life?
The price had not been paid yet for Adam and others. God purpose and plan is in dispensations of time. We are now in the dispensation of grace. I will gladly help you in His Word, email me [email protected]
 

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Thank you both for your replies. I shall have to do some more study on this matter. I am a long way from having read the entire word of God but He reveals new things to me every day as I study His written word with His guidance in my heart. I have only been awakened for a few weeks and yet, God fills me with the understanding He knows I am ready to receive at the pace that He knows is right for my growth as one of His children and as a messenger for Him.