Nearly a Third of the Bible is Prophecy but is Prophecy Taught in your Church??

GISMYS_7 · Oct 12, 2017

Nearly a Third of the Bible is Prophecy but is Prophecy Taught in your Church?? How important must Bible prophecy be??
Some 31% of the Bible is God letting mankind know what the future holds.
Bible prophecy is in the end all about Jesus. Jesus declared He must fulfill prophecy so that "...all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."

The angel of Revelation 19 even equated the testimony of Jesus with prophecy, declaring "...Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." If Jesus did not fulfill even one of the 109 distinct First Coming prophecies about the Messiah, then He couldn't be who He claimed to be -- the Savior.

Fulfilled prophecy validates Jesus' claim to divinity and being our Savior.

3. Fulfilled Prophecies Prove the Bible is Truly God's Word

The Bible is unique in being prophetic. There is no religious book, not by Buddha or Krishna or Mohammed or anyone else, ever written which contains so much prophecy. And, I'm not talking about general prophecies about the future, but super specific prophecies such as the Messiah would descend from the line of David, be born in Bethlehem, be killed by crucifixion, and be raised from the dead three days later.

The actual fulfillment of all these prophecies and over a hundred more proves the Bible truly is the Word of God, and so we can put our faith in what it teaches.

Read more at Why Study Bible Prophecy?

101G · Oct 14, 2017

GINOLJC, I believe the whole bible is Prophecy. for prophecy is simply a message inspired by God, a divine revelation. first meaning history. and second, within this history, it can be directed at a certain period of time in this history. and third, you said it, prophecy is the testimony of Jesus revealed, and he's the beginning and the end of every, and all prophecy. fourth, the fulfilling of all Prophecy is from Genesis to Revelation about JESUS.

"Fulfilled Prophecies Prove the Bible is Truly God's Word". not to me only. not just the fulfilled Prophecies, but every word JESUS/YESHUA have, and will speak. that's my proof. I have test his words and have not found him to be a liar. his track record is perfect, so I trust what he said, and REVEALED TO ME. so God/Lord Jesus is real to me.

Copperhead · Oct 16, 2017

Well, even though Peter was an eye witness of Yeshua, even he stated that we have "the more sure word of prophecy".

It is the prophetic applications to Yeshua that makes the case. The statistical probability of all the various prophecies regarding Messiah are greater than for any other event or even the probability of the DNA molecule coming into existence by chance.

If more pastors and teachers spent time explaining prophetical details and showing some of the statistical probability, I believe it would lead more to acceptance of Yeshua and shore up the faith of those who already believe. It is really a waste of a lot of valuable resources to not teach more along this line.

liafailrock · Oct 18, 2017

Add may I add.... Something like 70% of that prophecy is to the house of Israel, and then people mistakenly apply that to the Jew. The house of Judah has their share, too, but must be discerned. After all, you can't apply a Civil War prophecy addressed to the Yankees and apply them to the Rebels just because they are all called Americans. And, the bible is also a book about Israel in the the whole grand scheme of things. If that's misunderstood, then the whole of the bible is misunderstood.

Copperhead · Oct 18, 2017

liafailrock said:
Add may I add.... Something like 70% of that prophecy is to the house of Israel, and then people mistakenly apply that to the Jew. The house of Judah has their share, too, but must be discerned. After all, you can't apply a Civil War prophecy addressed to the Yankees and apply them to the Rebels just because they are all called Americans. And, the bible is also a book about Israel in the the whole grand scheme of things. If that's misunderstood, then the whole of the bible is misunderstood.

One can when they realize that all the tribes came together in 2 Chronicles, when all the tribes joined together with the southern kingdom of Judah under Rehoboam. And more so even later in the same book. And Ezra called the returning remnant of Babylon Jews 8 times and all Israel 40 times. Likewise, Nehemiah called them Jews 11 times and all Israel 22 times. Israel is the name God gave Jacob, from which all the tribes came from. Mentions of Israel even after the split can be viewed as all the tribes.

liafailrock · Oct 18, 2017

To ALL the exiles that returned and only them:

Ezra 10:9

explains who they are. Very clear.

FHII · Oct 18, 2017

Please excuse my ignorance... But is there a problem with people NOT wanting to hear about the prophecies of the Bible? In other words, are there a lot of Churches refusing to teach about them?

Seems to me you can't teach about Noah without touching on prophecy because God said it would happen. You can't teach about Abraham because he received prophecy about Isaac. John the Baptist was a prophet... The greatest ever! Jesus gave prophecy about his death so preaching the resurrection means you have to touch on prophecy. Same with his birth; and Im not talking OT prophecies. Mary received prophecy from Gabriel.

So again... Is there a big void of preachers skiping prophecy? Or is there another motive here?

Copperhead · Oct 18, 2017

It is generally a minefield that many pastors prefer not to touch. Thankfully, small groups meeting in homes are not afraid to tackle it. Actually, I think that is a better deal anyway, as it allows interaction instead of just one guy standing up in front and espousing his particular view. Groups can tackle things on a verse by verse basis and discuss.

Copperhead · Oct 20, 2017

liafailrock said:
To ALL the exiles that returned and only them:

Ezra 10:9

explains who they are. Very clear.

One should read any book from the beginning, not jump to the end to grab a verse to support a particular view. Let's see.... 7 chapters earlier.....

Ezra 3:1 (NKJV) And when the seventh month had come, and the children of Israel were in the cities, the people gathered together as one man to Jerusalem.

And 4 chapters earlier than chapter 10.....

Ezra 6:16 (NKJV) Then the children of Israel, the priests and the Levites and the rest of the descendants of the captivity, celebrated the dedication of this house of God with joy.

By you using Ezra 10:9 for your support text, please show us how the other 10 tribes then disappeared again before Ezra 10. I must have missed that one. Even the Levites are mentioned in the same chapter further on. Ezra 10 is probably not the best text to use to support who returned. It is calling out some who had transgressed the Torah. The passage is talking about those who had taken pagan wives. Seems Judah, Benjamin, and the Levites were the only ones who had done this.

Jay Ross · Oct 20, 2017

Hello

Why do pastors not teach about the End time prophecies? Because too many of their congregation have preferred infallible translations that are the direct word of God for them. They also have their pet theories about the End Time prophecies. We also have the politicalised reformation understanding of the End time Prophecies which they used to demonise the Roman Catholic Church, while the Roman Catholic Church also used End Time Prophecies to debunk the reformation spiel against them.

One of the Classical departures from the true meaning of prophetic parables is found in our understanding of the parable of the Minas and the Talents and who the leading character in these to parables was. In years past, pastors used the Parable of the talents to justify to their congregation that they had to work really hard to bring in the Kingdom of God and as such they portrayed Jesus in the leading role of this parable.

The reality is that both the Parable of the Minas and the Talents is about Satan shoring up his options while he is incarcerated in the Bottomless pit by getting his faithful servants to continue his oppression of the people so that they had no time for Jesus, who was to be given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him. This is still a future event.

Such a simple swap of who the character was in both parable changed the true meaning of the two End time parables.

Another issue for pastors today is that they are so busy attempting to keep their congregations happy that they themselves have no time to study the word of God and as such they use what they were taught in Theological school for their bachelor degrees in Divinity.

I challenged a recently retired pastor on his understanding of the above two parables and his excuse was that he did not have time to study the word of God to the depth that I had undertaken. His first call was that it was Jesus but he was red faced when the evidence in both parables actually pointed to Satan instead.

Sadly, I believe that this is reflected around the world.

Now a question to seek the understanding of the willing participants of this forum on the following question.

If a person want to go and gaze on the four beasts and the little horn beast of Daniel 7:1-12, where would you suggest that a person should go too.

Copperhead · Oct 20, 2017

The kingdom parables do outline something quite different than what many people have come to believe about the future time the Messiah will reign. The parable of the Leaven is short but paints a pretty bleak picture or the situation in the kingdom during that time. Leaven throughout scripture has been a symbol of pride and sin. This is one reason for the feast of Unleavened bread. The 3 measures of meal has been associated with the fellowship offering since the days of Abraham, where he told Sarah to prepare 3 measures of meal for the Lord and the two angels at Mamre..... unleavened. In this parable, we see a woman hiding leaven in 3 measures of meal. To hide leaven in the fellowship offering was punishable by death during the temple period. The kingdom will have sin that eventually permeates the entire kingdom. The Mustard Seed parable shows the very same thing going on. The birds in the parable of the Sower are Satan's cohorts. In the Mustard Seed parable, those birds are nesting in the tree of the kingdom. Not a good mental image.

I think a lot of people confuse that millennial reign with something like heaven and everything will be perfection idea. Just the time itself should give the idea that it is not going to be perfect. For one, it only lasts 1000 years. If it was perfect, it should last forever. Secondly, Yeshua will be ruling with a rod of iron. That implies that He will have to snap a knot into anyone who gets out of line. Also, rain is withheld from those nations that will not go to Jerusalem during the Feast of Tabernacles. And from what we see later when Satan is released, just about the entire kingdom rebels against Yeshua. Psalm 2 amplifies Rev 20 regarding this.

I doubt that more than a small percentage of believers have ever been exposed to detailed analysis of those kingdom parables.

tabletalk · Oct 20, 2017

Jay Ross said:
Hello

Why do pastors not teach about the End time prophecies? Because too many of their congregation have preferred infallible translations that are the direct word of God for them. They also have their pet theories about the End Time prophecies. We also have the politicalised reformation understanding of the End time Prophecies which they used to demonise the Roman Catholic Church, while the Roman Catholic Church also used End Time Prophecies to debunk the reformation spiel against them.

One of the Classical departures from the true meaning of prophetic parables is found in our understanding of the parable of the Minas and the Talents and who the leading character in these to parables was. In years past, pastors used the Parable of the talents to justify to their congregation that they had to work really hard to bring in the Kingdom of God and as such they portrayed Jesus in the leading role of this parable.

The reality is that both the Parable of the Minas and the Talents is about Satan shoring up his options while he is incarcerated in the Bottomless pit by getting his faithful servants to continue his oppression of the people so that they had no time for Jesus, who was to be given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him. This is still a future event.

Such a simple swap of who the character was in both parable changed the true meaning of the two End time parables.

Another issue for pastors today is that they are so busy attempting to keep their congregations happy that they themselves have no time to study the word of God and as such they use what they were taught in Theological school for their bachelor degrees in Divinity.

I challenged a recently retired pastor on his understanding of the above two parables and his excuse was that he did not have time to study the word of God to the depth that I had undertaken. His first call was that it was Jesus but he was red faced when the evidence in both parables actually pointed to Satan instead.

Sadly, I believe that this is reflected around the world.

Now a question to seek the understanding of the willing participants of this forum on the following question.

If a person want to go and gaze on the four beasts and the little horn beast of Daniel 7:1-12, where would you suggest that a person should go too.

The local Zoo.

Jay Ross · Oct 21, 2017

tabletalk said:
The local Zoo.

Tabletalk, you may be right in your suggestion, but where would you find the local zoo that has the four beasts from Daniel 7:1-12 in?

Copperhead · Oct 21, 2017

Jay Ross said:
Tabletalk, you may be right in your suggestion, but where would you find the local zoo that has the four beasts from Daniel 7:1-12 in?

Ask a local school teacher and they might say those beasts could be found in their classrooms!

Jay Ross · Oct 21, 2017

Copperhead said:
Ask a local school teacher and they might say those beasts could be found in their classrooms!

I thought that you were going to say in Church.

Copperhead · Oct 21, 2017

There is that...... bad mental image though!

Jay Ross · Oct 23, 2017

It seems that the simple straw poll I conducted with my question has answered why pastor do not spend time of the End times. Too many of the pew warmers thing the end times is simply a joke and not worth the effort for them to understand.

FHII · Oct 23, 2017

Copperhead said:
Ask a local school teacher and they might say those beasts could be found in their classrooms!

Well Copperhead, I am a local school teacher. The 4 beasts are taught about in the schools. We just don't identify them as such.

Then again, you (and others) might have a different understanding of who the 4 beasts are.

Lion=Babylon (or maybe Chaldia)
Bear=Assyria
Leopard=Greece (Alexander/Macedonia)
That Nutty Thing=Rome.

Yea... That nutty thing... Its been a while since I studied this and now that I've opened my big fat mouth... Guess I gotta go back and review it.

But my point is that these are taught in schools.

Helen · Oct 23, 2017

Jay Ross said:
It seems that the simple straw poll I conducted with my question has answered why pastor do not spend time of the End times. Too many of the pew warmers thing the end times is simply a joke and not worth the effort for them to understand.

I used to be interested a few decades ago...but just when I heard something and settled on it as a viable inturpretation..up popped someone else with a better interpretation!!

In the end I gave up on it...and figured that it didn't really matter.
What matters is staying under the shadow of His Wing ...then, come what may, I'd be ready.
Maybe a cop-out, but too much talk of bible prophesies makes my brain tired...and it's not like anyone REALLY has a " Thus says the Lord..." that convinces everyone on any of it!

Everything seems likes people 'best guess'.

liafailrock · Oct 26, 2017

Copperhead said:
One should read any book from the beginning, not jump to the end to grab a verse to support a particular view. Let's see.... 7 chapters earlier.....

Ezra 3:1 (NKJV) And when the seventh month had come, and the children of Israel were in the cities, the people gathered together as one man to Jerusalem.

And 4 chapters earlier than chapter 10.....

Ezra 6:16 (NKJV) Then the children of Israel, the priests and the Levites and the rest of the descendants of the captivity, celebrated the dedication of this house of God with joy.

By you using Ezra 10:9 for your support text, please show us how the other 10 tribes then disappeared again before Ezra 10. I must have missed that one. Even the Levites are mentioned in the same chapter further on. Ezra 10 is probably not the best text to use to support who returned. It is calling out some who had transgressed the Torah. The passage is talking about those who had taken pagan wives. Seems Judah, Benjamin, and the Levites were the only ones who had done this.

These were all the tribes that were there. A proclamation went out for all the exiles to meet. The other 10 tribes did not return with them so they never gotten lost again. By stating Judah and Benjamin, this shows they are the leaders and mostly people from the southern Kingdom. Levites were scattered throughout Israel, so a few came back, others were lost with the 10 other tribes. See Ezekiel 37 regarding the two sticks (nations) being rejoined in the end times. If they are not rejoined yet, then they are still separated. As I said, most of the prophecy is addressed to Israel,not Judah, and since its so vast, I am using more than one verse to support my position --- maybe hundreds. That one just states it plainly.

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