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This is a common misconception it is a system he gives his power tooThe first beast in Rev. is the One world system that he gives his power to heals its deadly wound and sets up his own one World system Satan is Antichrist (and the second beast in Rev.)
So you don't think there will be an individual world ruler just before the 2nd Coming?
 

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If Revelation is not to be interpited futuristically, but symbolically. I say if!
Um, it's not, at least not completely. Just a word to the wise.
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The Antichrist consists of two words, anti, which depending on the content can mean either against or for. So the word Antichrist would be more defined, to someone who is against Christ, but creates the impression as if he were for Christ. Sometimes it is used pertaining to every heretic, who opposes the person and doctrines of Christ, 1 John 2:18. But it generally pertains to the great Antichrist who opposes the doctrines and professors of Christ. This Antichrist is confirmed by scripture through many texts and this fact is not denied by anyone.Considering this, the Antichrist could not come out of the Muslim's, they deny Christs deity. They say he was a prophet or a good teacher.
Even assuming that your "for" definition is correct, what objective reason do you have for choosing the "for" meaning instead of "against"?
 

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Who is the Antichrist? Lets look and see. His seat will be in Rome, which is built upon seven hills.
Unfortunately, Revelation 17:9, where we get the “seven hills” from, is not given the best possible translation by several translations. The original Greek word “oros” is here translated as “hills”. While “hills” is indeed one possible translation for “oros”, the far more commonly used translation in all major English Bible translations is “mountain” in other passages where the same word appears. For example, all references in the Gospels as well as the Book of Acts to the “Mount of Olives” are written in the original Greek as “oros ho elaia”, “ho” being “of” and “elaia” being “olives”. The “Sermon on the Mount” in Matthew takes place on an “oros”. There are numerous other instances that could be cited, but the point is that the translators have not made the most likely choice in Revelation 17. They have likely chosen the word “hills” in this case because they are predisposed to assuming that Rome is in view, which, as I will post in another thread, is a major error on the part of prophecy interpreters of today.(Elf;43487)
Revelation 17:1 This refers to the Antichrist. Revelation 17:9, his seat is identified, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Are you aware that Mecca also has seven hills?(Elf;43487)
There were seven hills within the confines of Rome's walls.
Also Mecca.(Elf;43487)
Virgil who lived during this time, he died around 15 years before Christ, wrote: Rome has become the most glorious city of all, who alone has surrounded seven strongholds with a wall. Ovidius writes: Rome, the territory of the gods, which overlooks the entire earth from seven hills. and : I shall nevertheless be read as long as warring and victorious Rome overlooks a conquered world from her seven hills.---Who has his chair in this Rome built upon seven hills. His territory extends to the kingdoms of the earth and there he rules over many nations Revelation 17:15.---Revelation 17:10-11 the Antichrist would succeed the emperor in this territory. Seven heads refer to the sevenfold manner of government in Rome. five forms had already run their course during John's time, the sixth, consisting of the rule of the emperors, was in place at that time, after which the seventh would follow.
What Biblical reason do you have for assigning this interpretation to the heads? There is a Biblical explanation for them in Daniel…(Elf;43487)
Who has succeeded the emperors in governing Rome? He whose name would constitute the number 666 would ascend the throne upon the destruction of the empire. Ten kings would simultaneously receive power to govern with him. The ten horns are the ten kings. All this transpired between 500 and 600 A.D.------ He whose name would be expressed by 666 would be worshiped, and receive special (or superhuman) honor revelation 17:4. These clearly refer to Rome after the emperors, and not while they reigned. It is also a known fact that "the ****"? reigned from there after the emperors.
Just go ahead and put “Pope”, quit being cryptic with the “****”s. It’s not the Pope, trust me. What does the number “10” have to do with the Papacy?(Elf;43487)
How about the Antichrists behavior? First he will place himself in the temple of God, 2 Thessalonians 2:4. The church is God's house 1 Timothy 3:15, and God's temple 2 Corinthians 6:16. so, he will sit in the church as if he were God, viewing (or declaring) himself as the head and officer of the church.
A church is NOT the Temple. The Temple is always a specific structure on top of Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. What other words shall we change what they mean?(Elf;43487)
He will not attack the church externally, but instead proceed from withing her and occupy the leadership position in the church.
That is not prophecied for the Antichrist.(Elf;43487)
Who resembles this? who is recognized as the head of the church? Who has been given the title "Our Lord God the ****"? Rome places her declarations and traditions next to, and in opposition to, the word of God. Rome forbids the reading of the bible, commands that a piece of bread be worshiped as God, claims authority for herself alone to forgive sins, denies that the merits of Christ alone, are sufficient for mans sins, it teaches on must earn heaven, ect.....The **** gets carried around as if he was God, everyone bows a knee to him, and kisses his feet. He lives a life of great luxury Revelation 17:4. what about 1 Timothy 4:1-3? who forbids the clergy to marry? who forbids the eating of meat on good Friday? there is so much more on this. ----Some will probably say i have taken scripture out of context, or twisted it to fit my argument, but, isn't it an identical reflection of someone?
I do recognize that there are some aspects of the Papacy that could be taken as pointing to the Antichrist, that is why many believers have done it for centuries. But the Pope is only a decoy of Satan’s. He’s not the main act. There are too many prophecies of the Antichrist that the Pope does not fit.
 

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Elf;43494]The **** Church would teach that this harlot and great city refer to pagan Rome and the emperors. [/QUOTE]You’re [i]assuming[/i] that Rome is the culprit.[QUOTE=Elf;43494]Even to pagan Rome at the time of the emperor said:
It refers to the Islamic/Ottoman Empire of Mecca/Babylon.
Elf;43494]Revelation 13:1 1 And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea said:
Again, just go ahead and say “Pope”. If Rome is the final head, then how do you explain the conquest of the Roman Empire by the Islamic Caliphate in 1453? At that point, the Roman government ceased to exist. Also, Rome never conquered the Persian Empire and only held Babylon for one year. Rome is disqualified as Daniel’s fourth beast.
Elf;43494]Also this seventh head will not step aside as quickly as the other heads said:
The last time I checked, days do not equal years. You are reading something into the Scriptures that are not there. If God meant “years” He would’ve said “years”.
Elf;43494]Revelation 17:12-13 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom said:
The beast rose and gained possession of Rome' date=' The only one to accomplish this was the ****. Even when these other nations ruled Italy they did not have their seat of government in Rome, but they did in fact yeild their power to the **** who had his seat in the government of Rome (the city of seven hills), they desired to be confirmed and sanctioned by him. [/QUOTE']If the Pope is the AC, then why does he carry so little power today? Sure, he’s on the news a lot, but there’s not a single national leader in the world who allows him to change their policies.
Elf;43494]The executed his will in doing battle against Christ and His church.----This is the Antichrist said:
The Pope’s authority was ecclesiastical, not political. It gave him political influence in the past, yes, even enough to launch the Crusades, but today, he wields virtually no political power whatsoever. He certainly does not have the power to start massive world-wide beheadings.
Elf;43494]After the destruction of the empire the ten kings gained power said:
Who were these 10 kings? Names and kingdoms, please.
Elf;43494]This further strengthens the point that the reference is not to pagan Rome said:
Wrong. He no longer has that kind of power.
Elf;43494]Look at this said:
You’ll have to explain it for me. What is the image that people are worshiping today? And what is the Pope’s mark of the beast?
Elf;43494]Who has opposed the true church? [/QUOTE]Muslims are told every week in their mosque meetings that their sacred duty is “jihad” – the murder of every Christian and Jew they can get their hands on.[QUOTE=Elf;43494]Who has murdered true professors of the truth for their witness? [/QUOTE]In several Muslim nations TODAY said:
How many hundreds of thousands have already lost their lives by order and direction of the ****?
How about in the last 400 years? The Dark Ages are long gone. The Pope is no longer as strong as he once was.
Elf;43494]Who has become drunk with the blood of the saints? [/QUOTE]Muslim terrorists.[QUOTE=Elf;43494]All who did not confess to be Roman Catholic said:
That would have been a valid argument until 400 years ago. The Reformation put the Pope in his place and he has never had that kind of power ever since.
Elf;43496][b]What Religious organization insists that Christ governs His entire church by means of a vice-regent[/b] said:
These various offices are mentioned but never as to one being inferior to the other. Therefore this has to be rejected Luke 22:25-26' date=' 1 Peter 5:3.-----Where do we read that Peter was appointed to be head over all the church, and all the other Apostles? And where is it written that Peter gave them commands and ordinances? Where do we read the the Apostles acknowledged Peter as such and have subordinated themselves under him? Nowhere! These are fables. -----Jesus sent all of them (Apostles) forward with the very same commission Matthew 28:19, John 20:21-23. All the Apostles were together and qualified for their office on Pentecost Acts 2:1-4. Look at how the all conducted themselves, in the election of another apostle Acts 1:23. Was Paul sent to Peter? No! he was sent to the Apostles and elders at Jerusalem, to inquire about certain questions Acts 15:2. The Apostles sent Peter to Samaria Acts 8:14. James opinion rather than Peter's was followed Acts 15:7-29. Scripture teaches that Paul was entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised Galatians 2:7-9 if anyone had served in Rome it would have been Paul. -----Even if Peter was (which he is not) the head of the church, it would only have pertained to him, where is it written that he had the authority to transfer this position to another person? If he did where, where is it written that he transfered this position to the bishop in Rome? Why not to the bishop in Antioch? After all Peter did visit Antioch, but no where do we see that he visited Rome Galatians 2:11.----Suppose Peter had been in Rome and had been the bishop there, the ones who followed him were not the head of the church, It is known from history that every locality initially had its own bishop. And these bishops were never willing to submit to each other. The church was divided among four bishops, none being superior to the others. They were even envious of each other to accuse each other of being antichrist's. After the western empire was destroyed, the power of the bishop in Rome increased. In 606 the eastern emperor (Phocas) appointed the bishop of Rome as general bishop, ordering the patriarchs of Constantinople, Antioch, and Alexandris to be subordinate to him. Where is the reference here to succession?----Finally, If scripture supports the office of a ****, shouldn't his lifestyle resemble Peter's? where do we read of peter having a purple robe, chariots and horses, a chair and purple robed cardinals to carry him? When did Peter ever allow his feet to be kissed? Which kings did Peter ever appoint or dispose? There is no resemblance to peter at all. The only resemblance I see is in Peter's confession "I know not the man"[/QUOTE']All of this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Antichrist. It’s an awful history, to be sure, but it is NOT a fulfillment of Antichrist prophecies.
 

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I have found that a lot of people have believed that the Anti-Christ was all kind of people. But according to what I have studied it seems to me that the Anti-Christ will definately have to be a Jew if he is going to convince the Jewish people that he is the real Christ!What do you think?
The word antichrist is used five times in the entire Bible. I would suggest that one would allow the Bible to define antichrist.1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.1 John 2:22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.Gary"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3
 

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Check this out, this is quite an interesting fact. Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp who himself was a disciple of John. Irenaeus arrived at the fact that the number 666 was in Latin (Lateinos) "Latin Speaking man". i cant spell the Greek word. Irenaeus concluded that the Antichrist would come from Italy and from the Latin church. A portion of Italy had a king prior to the birth of Christ, his name was Latinus. The portion of Italy that surrounds Rome is called Latinum, after this Latinus and the language spoken there was called Latin. Latinus is written in Greek as Lateinos, and these letters represent the number 666, which is a fact. It points to Rome and her Latin church and her ****. The **** still uses the Latin language in directives and decrees. Through the entire world the Mass is still performed in Latin language, which is taught to be viewed as an extraordinary providence of God, this alone is pretty good proof. The ****church and the **** to not see or accept this shouldn't be any supprise, if they did it would put an end to ****, but this will continue until the end. The **** church also will say that "Latinus" must be written without and "e" therefore it will not be equivalent to the number 666. But keep in mind John did not write in Latin, but in Greek. Latinus in Latin, is Lateinos in Greek. Irenaeus being a Greek would know how to write this in Greek. So Antichrist must have his seat and territory in Rome. This dose not even touch the scripture proofs.----Just thought I would share this, it is interesting.
Some very interesting viewing about the true meaning of 666....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6jdwml_bN8
 

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I have found that a lot of people have believed that the Anti-Christ was all kind of people. But according to what I have studied it seems to me that the Anti-Christ will definately have to be a Jew if he is going to convince the Jewish people that he is the real Christ!What do you think?
Are you talking about the man of perdition?Can you show us the things your have studied.Thanks Faithful.
 

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Seems to me not very many here really have an understanding of what Anti christ is orHis purpose God has foretold us all things is anyone listening. Between your rapture doctrines and mens lies and brain washing of years of hearing its the catholic churchor Pope, that he's Jewish,or muslim, or america, years ago it was R.Reagon,now its ObamaHow do you ever think you are going to get this right if we dont stop with guess's the misinterptation, and work through this like everything else in scripture the answer is right in front of your faces if you stop with all the thoughts of men and turn to God he has foretold all. This is for this generation it is you who will face this advisary it is you are choosen to stand against him dont you think its about time you learned what this is all about the why, who, what, and when of it. You will be the one making a stand for your faith in God. How you going to do this if you dont hear what God says through all the noise of men??Do you not get you are the Generation chooosen to be the Overcomers With the Elect that you can be the of the first resurrectionGod says blessed are those of the first resurrection How you going to be overcomers if you will not hear what God says you need to overcome?
 

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May I remind you of what God says Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. You will not find it with lies and doctrines of men you find the wisdom in God Words For those who have the wisdom to seeGod has told you where to look for the answersThere are six seals. There are six trumps. And there are six vials. That's six, six, six. (666) That's when satan appears as the false messiahit is the number of a man now if you read Eze. 28 Ish 14 you will see God calls Satan a man is this the man that made the nations of the World shake with fear Satan is this manIsa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
 

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exactly thats what Satan is try reading Ez 28 who do you think the prince of tyre is this is not only scriptural its exactly what the whole of scripture states so it is you with lack to understand it not me9 Will you then say, "I am a god," in the presence of those who kill you? You will be but a man, not a god, in the hands of those who slay you. 10 You will die the death of the uncircumcised at the hands of foreigners. I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.' " 11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: " 'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. [c] Your settings and mountings [d] were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Did you get that a man second wittness that Satan is a manor will appear as one
You gave a definition of satan in a post (yesterday??) that was exactly what a satan is. Why don't you stick with the definition you gave? Why turn around and define satan as some superhuman freak. That is being double minded.It is true that satan is a man (there is one place in the Bible he is a spirit) but it is NOT true that satan is one. There are many satans just as there are many antichrists.In the versus you listed vs 9 is saying that boasting to those that are going to kill him won't bother them a bit. They know he is but a man. vs 10 is pretty straight forward. One thing that can be determined from it is that the Israelites were not the slayers. The next versus you quote are telling the son of man to sing to the king his funeral song. (May be a little sarcasm??) As all ways Eze 28:19 is left out just as Isaiah 14:16 is never quoted. There is a reason for that, you know.You should do an in depth Bible study on satan. It is only used 56 times in the Bible, so it shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. Use the definitions you have, not those of the false doctrine. You might be surprised at what you will find.I will leave you with the following two scriptures and will be interested as towhich definition you apply.2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.Gary"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3
 

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Excuse me ? did you ever read Revelation? do you know who the son of perdition is in 2 Thess? do you know who the father of lies is? Do you know who the accuser is just to name a few of his namesRev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.Do you get anti means instead of that is instead of christ (antichrist)
The son of perdition, according to the word of God, was Judas Iscariot a cursed Edomite. John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.The father of lies is found in John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (See vs 47 for the answer)Now, what does Rev 12:9 tell us. For one thing, it tells us that there is a lot of bad theology out there. For one thing, all most every one on this Forum says that the serpent is satan. This passage says that the serpent is not only the "great dragon" but also the "devil". What is a devil? Look up 1228 in Strong's and he will tell you. Satan, "....which deceiveth..."., pretty good definition for satan.Rev 12:10, "....and the power of his Christ:" Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. If that isn't the power of the Christ, I don't know what it would be.Rev 12:11 Here is another theology bust. "And they overcame him...". Who are they? Don't you say that satan is thrown in to the lake of fire? Rev 12:12 See vs 11 -- "And they overcame him..."."Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3Gary
 

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"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3
Where are you getting this junk thats my question? Out of a 1980 edition almanac thats been out dated for 28 years....OK I am not going to get nasty here The Perfect ones are right everyone else is wrong..........
In English the term Israelite typically denotes the ancient people of the Biblical period descended directly from Jacob (Israel) while Jew is used for any person of Jewish identity regardless of historical period or ancestry.

The English word Israelite derives from ישראל (Standard Yisraʾel Tiberian Yiśrāʾēl), referring to the name given to Jacob (Genesis 32:28), which is traditionally translated as he struggles with God. Thus, his descendants are called the People of Israel, or Israelites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IsraeliteI would say the above proves your outdated almanac wrong................
 

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The son of perdition, according to the word of God, was Judas Iscariot a cursed Edomite. John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.The father of lies is found in John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (See vs 47 for the answer)Now, what does Rev 12:9 tell us. For one thing, it tells us that there is a lot of bad theology out there. For one thing, all most every one on this Forum says that the serpent is satan. This passage says that the serpent is not only the "great dragon" but also the "devil". What is a devil? Look up 1228 in Strong's and he will tell you. Satan, "....which deceiveth..."., pretty good definition for satan.Rev 12:10, "....and the power of his Christ:" Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. If that isn't the power of the Christ, I don't know what it would be.Rev 12:11 Here is another theology bust. "And they overcame him...". Who are they? Don't you say that satan is thrown in to the lake of fire? Rev 12:12 See vs 11 -- "And they overcame him..."."Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3Gary
sense I have yet to find much of any thing you have posted we agree on as being biblical I'm really not surprised you dont get it there is only one Son of perdition according to God and thats Satan the fact you are giving me teaching of men as your proof. Just convinces me of your lack of understanding of what Gods Word says. perdition noun :eternal damnation hell absolute ruin ..........Why dont you show me scripture where is says Judas was condemned to eternal damnationOnly one has been condemed to that fate and its Satan reguardless of what men tell you God says there is one.Mat 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Oh my Judas repented himself good heavens,..... you might think he was foriven for Christ himself knew this had to be doneand I always thought Christ died for all sins of men. and Ive read your post on Jewish alminac 4 times now I use term for clairity no to be tecnically correct so you dont have to keep posting it
 

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Jewish alminac 4 times now I use term for clairity no to be tecnically correct so you dont have to keep posting it
Yeah, at 28 years old that thing should have the dust blew off and threw in the trash.
 

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will someone please show me in which chapter and verse of Revelation the title "Antichrist" is used?
 
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