The Anti Christ a Jew?

i think he is going to be european becus i heard that the french president has said that one man shold lead all europe

On this subject read my last note on the 70 weeks of Daniel from Mounce's book. samy

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Daniel says he will not regard the God (singular) of his fathers. He will be allowed to sit in the temple, declaring himself to be God, which he couldn't do unless he was a Jewish.
(Luke 4:9 [KJV])And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:This is Satan in an attempt to break Jesus faith by bringing him to the temple. Jesus never declared himself to be G_d....and his response can be found in the same Chapter of LukeLuke 4:12 [KJV])And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Agian, the AC is not Jewish.........Jesus himself in response to Satans words so much as admits that he is not G_D but the Son of G_d.The AC is Satan, any one know what Satans heritage was? Jew, Christian, Gentile? Is it ever said in the Bible? Just curious I have never seen it mentioned....

Satan was created the most powerful, knowledgeable angel ever created so he has no Genealogy but he will be claiming Christs however he appears as a man, it is christ he is pretending to be. But what are we told about thisI know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan

Kriss, You are quoting Rev 2:8 (out of context) the Lord's encouragement to the church of Smyrna, "8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write:The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this: 9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are brich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. The New American Standard Bible. La Habra, CA : The Lockman Foundation, 1986, S. Re 2:8Now, as then, unbelieving Jews deny that believing Jews are Jews.

No I havent you have the wrong understanding of the churches and no clue about the Key of David,

Kriss-You quoted from the message to Smyrna. And now you are saying something about the message to Philadephia. Are you confused? At the very least you are inaccurate. samy

They both teach the same thing its whaty they have in common thats why God is pleased with them no Im not confused at all the the Key of David is about Jews who say they are Jews and are not it runs from Gen to revelation it is the uderstanding of who Antichrist/Satan and the tares areYou are arguing what you do not understand

Who are these Jews who say they are Jews BUT ARE NOT????The Kenites, meaning Son's of Cain also called tares . You can read of them in CCatholic litature where they are called Smith's meaning no one knows where they came from,they are also called cenyites but most often they are called "Tares" the seeds planted by Satan The kenites/tares would settle in the land of Canaan. Reference: (Genesis 15:19-21) You can make the connection by taking the word kenite/kenites back to the Hebrew language in your Strong's Concordance #7017 and #7014 (Hebrew and Chaldee dictionary). Many of their offspring mixing with the other tribes such as the Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Canaanites. The Book of Chronicles also speaks of the kenites/tares being the families of the Scribes. And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab. (I Chronicles 2:55) In the time of Christ, the Kenites/tares worked their way among the Jews and dwelt in the land of Judah, just as they are among us today. Reference: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them, which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2:9) This message was addressed to the church of Smyrna, who knew of the kenites/tares. Christ spoke of the "Kenites" as "tares" in one of His parables that He taught to His disciples. Reference: The Kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matthew 13:24-30) The disciples did not understand the parable, and asked Jesus to explain it to them, and He did. This is how He answered them. He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. (Matthew 13:37-43) So, we must understand that the "Kenites" /"Tares" do exist in our society today, just as in the past! They're main objective, to bring forth the works of Satan, in the form of deception. That is why Christ would say: Take heed that no man deceives you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (Matthew 24:4-5). The only way not to be deceived is best explained by the Apostle Paul. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth. (II Timothy 2:15) We need to read with understanding, rightly dividing the Word of God.This was the church teaching before St Augustine changed it and said it was Jews here instead of the Sons of Cain/Tares this was for political reasons and set off a bloody part of history. It was these "Tares" that were responsable for Christ death on the crossNot the Jews they were claiming to be Jews BUT ARE NOT [/U]but this did not sit well with the church so they blamed the jews because it gave the church the Power they wanted. You can read of this in the history of the Pharisee's and Saducee' s when King Herod expelled the Jewish priest hood and inserted his own priests into the leadership role these priest's were "Tares" and were responsiable for the death of ChristThey claimed to be Jews but were not THIS IS WHAT Satan and his tares have done and will do again.

Part 2Herod the Great's rule (37-4 BCE) brought changing fortunes for both sects. One of Herod's initial political goals was to reduce the power of the Pharisees, who held enormous sway with the people. As the Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels states, Herod's "first adversaries, the people and the Pharisees, objected both to his being Idumean, a half-Jew, as well as his friendship with the Romans. Those who opposed him were punished, and those who took his side were rewarded with favors and honors" (p. 319, "Herodian Dynasty"). Josephus records that two of those rewarded were a Pharisee named Pollio and his disciple Sameas, who had encouraged the Jews to accept Herod because they felt the rule by a foreigner resulted from divine judgement and the people should willingly bear it. Perhaps because of this intervention, Herod was on fairly good terms with the Pharisees throughout most of his reign and generally avoided conflict with them until just before his death. By that time, it appears that the Pharisees as a party had essentially withdrawn from politics, although individual Pharisees may have remained politically active. Herod also sought to diminish the position of the Sadducees, who had regained their power after the death of Salome and held the high priesthood and the majority of the seats on the Sanhedrin. One of the first things Herod did upon becoming king in 37 BCE was to order the execution of 45 Sadducean members of the Sanhedrin for their support of his rival for the kingship, Antigonus; in addition, he confiscated their property to pay Marc Antony, the Roman who had appointed him king. He also turned the Sanhedrin into a religious court only, taking away its power in secular matters. Since he was only half Jewish, Herod knew the people would not tolerate him serving as high priest in addition to being king, as some of the Hasmoneans had. So he separated the two positions and began appointing high priests at his pleasure. Eusebius, in his 4th-century Ecclesiastical History, wrote: When Herod was appointed king by the Romans, he no longer nominated the chief priests from the ancient lineage, but conferred the honour upon certain obscure individuals. . . . Herod was the first that locked up the sacred vesture of the high priest, and having secured it under his own private seal, no longer permitted the high priests to have it at their disposal. (p. 31, ch. VI, pop. ed.) This broke the custom of the high priesthood being attached to a particular family. Herod also abolished the practice of the high priest holding the position for life. According to Josephus, in the 107 years from the beginning of Herod's reign to the fall of Jerusalem, there were 28 high priests. The Talmud records that by the time of Messiah, the high priest bought the office from the government and the position was changed every year. But even after he was out of office, the ex-high priest kept his rights to the dignity of the office. These policies resulted in a group of wealthy Sadducean priestly families (primarily the Boethus, Anan, and Phiabi families) being appointed to the office on a regular basis.

Kriss, concerning your Kenite post--Why would the church in Smyrna be addressed about Kenites (asuming you are correct)? Who cares what the Kenites are saying? But if the believing Jews in Philadelphia and Smyrna are experiencing exclusion from the synagogue because of belief in Jesus, then that would mean something. This is not the only place that Jesus says that a descendant of Abraham who is not a believer in Jesus is not a true Jew. Check out Rom 2:28. History is filled with descendants of Abraham (not believers) persecutring believing Jews. That is what Jesus is talking about. samy

They are the Tares of the parables they began in Gen. this is the Key to understanding Gods entire plan it is the key to understanding who Satan/antichrist and the Tares are and they are still at Work this is why my quote from the church of Smyrna is not out of context they taught who these tares and Satan were he was the serpent of the Garden the Tares that took over the priest hood that killed Christ the Tares that will be gathered first as the parable says. This is what Smyrna and Philidelpha taught.this isnt just about persucuting Jews. Jews and Christians have always been persucuted this has to do with the Entire structure of the Bible the Good vs Evil, This is the Key of DavidAnd how God overcomes and who the enemy is and how he works and continues to work.

A new believer, picking up his/her Bible, would never get from it what you are saying. They would have to be indoctrinated with your system of belief first, a frame of reference. This is called eisegesis, reading into the text a meaning, not exegesis, the critical interpretation of the text. samy

Of course not its a deeper teaching God teaches in layers building upon precepts we have to progress when we are ready all wisdom will come from God a precept upon a precept Isa 28:10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near [me] with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of menand a new student picking up the bible would get Your false hoods that antichrist is a Russian Jew????????? which it never says I provided scripture and history you have provided an opinion based on nothing.A precept of men

Supposedly this Anti Christ is suppose to come out of Syria...Ancient Jewish texts refer to him has Beliar and he is spoken of numerous times in The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs..........that said I believe Kriss has responded to your questions and theres nothing more I can add at this point.......

Kriss has not answered the fact that Irenaeus and Hippolytus both taught that the antichrist would come from the tribe of Dan. The tribe of Dan migrated north. We find their remnants as far north as the Danish in Denmark. You can read what Hippolytus wrote at http://www.searchgodsword.org/his/ad/ecf/a...le=anf05-18.htm look especially at paragraph 14.samy

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Of course not its a deeper teaching God teaches in layers building upon precepts we have to progress when we are ready all wisdom will come from God a precept upon a precept Isa 28:10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near [me] with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of menand a new student picking up the bible would get Your false hoods that antichrist is a Russian Jew????????? which it never says I provided scripture and history you have provided an opinion based on nothing.A precept of men
That comprehension of God's written word is not your metier is indisputable.The verses you quoted above are teaching just the opposite of what you claim. God's breathed word is telling you that this is NOT the way to study your Bible.Starting with Isa 28:9, to get a little context, it is saying...(9) there is no body able to understand any good doctrine: but they are devoid of good sense and are as unsound as sucklings. cf. Jer 6:10.Isa 28:10 is saying.....(10) Because of their suckling condition they need every thing repeated, over, and over, and over, and over, again. cf. Heb 5:13.Isa 28:11 is saying....(11) You let some one teach you but it isn't doing you any good because you don't under stand. He might as well be teaching you in a foreign language. Isa 28:13 is saying.....(13) When the word of God is offered to them they have no willingness to except because they are spiteful and could care less. cf. Isa 6:9.Isa 29:13 is saying....(13) God says they are hypocrites and not sincere in heart (Mt 15:7, 8) Their fear of God is taught from man's law and not God's word. Mt 15:9."Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." "Identity Crisis," The Jewish Almanac, compiled and edited by Richard Siegel and Carl Rheins (New York, NY: Bantam Books, 0-553-01265-7, 1980) p. 3. Gary

The oppisite of what Im saying what are you talking about

Thats exactly how the Word should be taught Precept upon preceptIsaiah 28:9 "Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." This is what the religionist that have been accused by Isaiah are saying about him. There is irony and mocking within this, yet some people make a religion out of this mocking. They have taken a truth, and twisted it to the point of blasphemy. It is the people are saying this about Isaiah. Who does he think he is teaching this knowledge? These people have so much pride that they think they know everything themselves. Nobody can tell them anything anyway. They go on in irony and ask, just who does he think he is that he he can teach us doctrine anyhow? They already have the doctrines of their leaders to follow, and just who does Isaiah think he is to go against the doctrines of our shepherds. They are saying that Isaiah is treating us like a bunch of babies. He never gets into any of the other stuff, but stays on his milk of the Word. The reason for this was that Isaiah taught chapter by chapter and verse by verse. He started from the beginning of a book and continued through line by line, and precept by precept, in his instruction. These people wanted to go off into all direction, and see what all the others had to say about the different matters. They wanted to see what Dr. so-and-so, had to say, and what the right reverend Big-mouth thought of the Word. It was to the point were they were sick and tired of what the Word of God said, chapter by chapter, and verses by verse, lets build our own beliefs from our own traditions and doctrines. They are mimicking what Isaiah was saying as to how the Word had to be taught. Listen to this. Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little:" This is exactly how Isaiah did teach, only here it is given as mockery to Isaiah. Isaiah taught from the first word in a book, each line and precept, all the way through to the end of that book. These religious nuts were offended and treated it with anger like Isaiah was treating them like a bunch of children that could not see for themselves. Isaiah was trying to give them the more indepth meaning of the precepts that God had given through His Word, only they wanted to put their own meaning to those precepts. It takes a teacher that is familiar with the metaphors, idoms, and figures of speech to allow people to understand God's Word, but they don't care what it is saying. They have closed their mind to the truth, and opened it to what they want to hear. They would rather hear gossip and what brother so-and-so did to sister due-drop, then to know what God's instruction is to them, and what it takes to be blessed by God.