God Changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship To Sunday Sabbath

Jun2u · Nov 9, 2017

It is a common belief that the RCC changed the worship service from the seventh day worship to the first day of the week. THAT IS NOT TRUE! God Himself changed the date.

It cannot be seen in the English Bible translations and why God allowed the miss-translation is beyond me. Perhaps to foster unbelief?

Matthew 28:1 reads: “In the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week...”

This first half of Matthew 28:1 is what we’ll focus upon.

The word Sabbath in Greek is the plural word “sabaton” and note the word “week” is also the identical plural Greek word “sabaton.” The word “week” is singular and contrary to the plural Greek word: sabaton.” This is proven by checking the Greek.

Anytime we see an italicized word in the KJV, as in the word “day” the translators are warning the reader that that word is not in the original manuscripts.

The phrase “in the end of the Sabbaths mean: an era of Sabbaths (Seventh Day Sabbath) is coming to an end, and the phrase “as it began to dawn toward the first of the Sabbaths" mean: a new era of Sabbaths, (Sunday Sabbaths), “in which the first of many Sabbaths is coming.”

Note: even in death God rested on the Seventh Day Sabbath as He lay in the tomb.

Let us now put together the first half of Matthew 28:1 and see how it should read: “In the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first of the Sabbaths...” (underlined words for emphasis). We see now the first part of the passage makes sense.

The nature of the Seventh Day Sabbath was not to do any kind of work. By contrast, the Sunday Sabbath is to do work. "Spiritual work" that is. As God declared in Isaiah 58:13-14!

The work we are to do is: study the Bible, write letters to love ones about the Gospel, visit hospitals or prisons to share Gospel, attend service at church, give our tithes, and so forth.

Some Christians go to ball games, picnics, movies, or play sports on Sundays after worship, and these activities are against Isaiah 58:13-14.

There are aspects of salvation that can be seen in both the Saturday and Sunday Sabbaths of the Lord. I hope and pray this will be realized in this thread.

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Jun2u · Nov 11, 2017

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Mark 16;1-2 reads:
1 “And when the sabbath (Saturday Sabbath) was past...”
2 “And very early in the morning the first day of the week or “the first of the Sabbaths...”

Mark 16:9
“Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week or “first of the Sabbaths...”

Luke 24:1
“Now upon the first of the Sabbaths, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre...”

John 20:1
The first day of the week or the first of the Sabbaths” cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher...”

The above Scriptures are self-explanatory as explained in the first page.

But…

Already, the apostles began to observe the worship service on the first day of the week!

Acts 20:7
“And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them... “

1 Corinthians 16:2
“Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him...”

Today the worship service has not changed, and the breaking of bread (communion), and the preaching of the Gospel, and bringing in our tithes are still prevalent.

I hope and pray the contents of this OP is understood.

To God Be The Glory

101G · Nov 11, 2017

But are we not Spiritually in an eight day covenant, and are at rest?.

liafailrock · Nov 11, 2017

Interesting interpretation, but I don't see it. The morrow after the Sabbath was feast of Firstfruits, also the 8th day which was already observed in Israel. 8 is the number of new beginnings foreshadowing the new age of heaven and earth starting with the resurrection. The resurrection "day" was not meant to replace the Sabbath. And I say "day" because along that line, technically the Jews reckon the start of the day at sundown. So, since the women came to the tomb at the start of Sunday, this was already in the evening and Jesus was gone. By the Gregorian calendar and day reckoning, he definitely arose late Saturday, and even by the Jewish calendar is was the last moments of the Sabbath as the sun set. Sunday he was already risen and was the first day of this new age, thus the ceremony in Judaism (it also represented his ascension to the Father). This made it an even 72 hours in the tomb as he predicted. Thus, he would arise the same time of the day as he was laid in the tomb.

By contrast, I felt apostate by worshiping Sunday, so I changed my work schedule to have off Saturday and work Sundays -- each and every one. When I was there on the Sabbath, almost demonic things would happen and everything was a mess. Things are peaceful for me now that I take of Sabbath and work there Sunday instead. I can say the same Helter-Skelter stuff happens at Christmas, but I celebrate with the family as a secular holiday (since they keep it). I let the others act in a frenzy. It means nothing to me. LOL

Jun2u · Nov 12, 2017

liafailrock said:
Interesting interpretation, but I don't see it.

Interesting interpretation? But written and backed up with scriptures. Where are yours? Am I suppose to believe what you say is true at face value, without scriptures?

Since you are a mathematician, can you break down the time line of the three days and three nights Jesus lay in the tomb, from beginning up to when He arose? Preferably, accompanied with scriptures?

The Seventh Day Sabbath was made for man that is, he labors six days and rested on the seventh day. Can you tell me the significance why the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath in Numbers 15:32-36 was stoned to death? Is there any spiritual significance to this account?

To God Be The Glory

101G · Nov 12, 2017

GINOLJC, to all. back up scripture, Genesis 17:9 "And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed". Genesis 17:12 "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed”. Genesis 21:4 "And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him".

Now was the Lord Jesus and John the Baptist circumcised UNDER THE OLD COVENANT ON THE EIGHT DAY? yes, Luke 1:59 "And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father".

Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb

NOW, that was under the Old covenant. but Abraham got the promise before the Covenant of the Law was made. foure hundred after, so the Covenant supersede the the covenant of Law by Moses the mediator of that Covenant. SCRIPTURE, Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah". and this covenant is a covenant of Grace, where circumcision is not in the flesh but in the Spirit, supportive, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his". the seed of Abraham was not seed(s) meaning many, but ONE. and that SEED is Christ. scripture, 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new". and what is the NEW CREATURE? answer, Galatians 3:27-29 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise". there's that Abraham seed, once more, Genesis 17:9a "And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee". now what is the TOKEN? Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you". what the token today? first OT, Deuteronomy 10:16 "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked". Romans 2:28 & 29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God". so the covenant of circumcision is an EVERLASTING in the Covenant of Grace. and what happens in this EIGHT DAY? Hebrews 4:4-11 "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. (Stop, and think for a moment, in this Place, "the seventh day" they shall not ENTER his rest, then the Seventh is not his rest, lest go on) Hebrews 4:6 "Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus (here Joshua) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief".

if there is "ANOTHER" Day after the SEVENTH Then it's the EIGHT Day, which is "TODAY". so in the EIGHTH day covenant today we're in his Rest. Colossians 2:16 & 17 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ".

so my rest day is today in the Spirit. for I labor not according to the flesh, but the spirit, for "HE DOES THE WORK". supportive scripture, John 14:10-14 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, (READ THAT AGAIN) that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it". SO IT IS NOT I WHO WORK, BUT HE THAT'S IN ME. for if any man be in christ Jesus is at rest, for it is he who do the work, not I.

liafailrock · Nov 12, 2017

Jun2u said:
Interesting interpretation? But written and backed up with scriptures. Where are yours? Am I suppose to believe what you say is true at face value, without scriptures?

Since you are a mathematician, can you break down the time line of the three days and three nights Jesus lay in the tomb, from beginning up to when He arose? Preferably, accompanied with scriptures?

The Seventh Day Sabbath was made for man that is, he labors six days and rested on the seventh day. Can you tell me the significance why the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath in Numbers 15:32-36 was stoned to death? Is there any spiritual significance to this account?

To God Be The Glory

Well, I am familiar with all the scriptures you quoted. They are not referring to changing the Sabbath. The change that you seem to see in those scriptures are implied and spiritualized. A good test is to always test the contrary point to see if there are as many scriptures in the NT about the Sabbath. There are -- over 50. Most are in the gospels where the Jews rail Jesus about what is lawful on the Sabbath. In these passages Jesus never changed the day of the week, but expanded on the proper usage of the Sabbath and how it was created for man's sake. We also find scripture where the apostles taught on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is mentioned all the way up to Colossians 2:16, one of my favorite verses about it.

As for the time in the tomb, Jesus clearly stated in Matthew 12:40 that he would be in the tomb (symbolized by Jonah being in the belly of the whale) 3 days and 3 nights. Other passages say "the third day", "within 3 days", and "after 3 days". The clear statement in Matthew 12:40 specifies the nature of this time and Jesus himself defined the day as 12 hours in John 11:9. Back in Jesus' time all days had exactly 12 hours and same with the nights (also divided into watches) as the hour was not equinocial as they are now. In short, he was effectively saying that a day is sunrise to sunset, and vice versa for the night. So when he said 3 days and 3 nights, it ceases to be an idiom where only parts of days are possible, thus a full 72 hours in the tomb. Genesis uses similar language to the effect "there was night and day" meaning a full 24 hours. Thus, to get a timeline, we know Jesus was our Passover lamb (as stated by Paul and others) which was killed in the evening of Nisan 14 with the other lambs. He was buried by sundown which started Unleavened Bread the 15th of Nisan. So that's the 14th(end)-15th(start) of Nisan. Add 3 days (like any calendar) and we get the 17th-18th of Nisan. The 18th was the start of Firstfruits which foreshadowed his resurrection according to Paul. That occurred on a Sunday the 18th. If we look on any calendar that Sunday falls on the 18th, we can project back and see that Nisan 14th was a Wednesday was the crucifixion. He was in the tomb three full days the 15th, 16th and 17th (Sabbath) as as Sabbath closed he was arisen by the start of Firstfruits. That's the summary of how it worked.

As for being stoned, etc for picking up sticks and kindling fires, etc was man depending on himself and not resting in the Lord. It reminds me of the time they went to gather manna on the Sabbath and there was none. They wanted to supply themselves. The Lord was angry because of that. So the Sabbath foreshadows a time of faith and rest in the Lord. That's why it was so critical. It's a time God set apart for Himself for man to benefit. The Sabbath was created for man.

Richard_oti · Nov 12, 2017

liafailrock said:
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They are not referring to changing the Sabbath.
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As for the time in the tomb

Well said Liafailrock. While I may not agree with every minute detail, they are rather insignificant.

KBCid · Nov 12, 2017

liafailrock said:
Well, I am familiar with all the scriptures you quoted. They are not referring to changing the Sabbath. The change that you seem to see in those scriptures are implied and spiritualized. A good test is to always test the contrary point to see if there are as many scriptures in the NT about the Sabbath. There are -- over 50. Most are in the gospels where the Jews rail Jesus about what is lawful on the Sabbath. In these passages Jesus never changed the day of the week, but expanded on the proper usage of the Sabbath and how it was created for man's sake. We also find scripture where the apostles taught on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is mentioned all the way up to Colossians 2:16, one of my favorite verses about it.

Yes YES! I can do no more than add to the truth you reveal.

Ez 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Ex 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD...
...16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Is 66: 22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Were the 10 Commandments Around Before Moses?
Interestingly, Israel was reminded to remember the Sabbath even before they came to Mount Sinai. This was when God gave them manna to eat.
“Then he [Moses] said to them, ‘This is what the LORD has said: “Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD.”’ … Then Moses said, ‘Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the LORD; today you will not find it [manna] in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.’
“Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the LORD said to Moses, ‘How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?’ (Exodus 16:23-28).
So even before they arrived at Mount Sinai, God expected the people to obey His commandments, including the Fourth Commandment
Were the 10 Commandments Around Before Moses?

The Sabbath IS God's holy day established from the beginning for men and in it we are to cease from seeking our own pleasure and seek the pleasure of God;

Is 58:13If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

101G · Nov 13, 2017

Jun2u said:
The Seventh Day Sabbath was made for man that is, he labors six days and rested on the seventh day. Can you tell me the significance why the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath in Numbers 15:32-36 was stoned to death? Is there any spiritual significance to this account?

Now don't take this the wrong way, ok. answer he was in the flesh, under the Law. but scripture, Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit". and one more, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his". so if we rest today it's from the works of the flesh which as you said was made for man who labor after the flesh. now, Hebrews 4:10 & 11 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief".

hope that helped.

Jun2u · Nov 13, 2017

101G said:
Now don't take this the wrong way, ok. answer he was in the flesh, under the Law. but scripture, Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit". and one more, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his". so if we rest today it's from the works of the flesh which as you said was made for man who labor after the flesh. now, Hebrews 4:10 & 11 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief".

hope that helped.

Sorry, it didn't.

Romans 8:1, 9 is describing a saved person, and is contrary to Numbers 15.

Now I want you to concentrate on Hebrews 4:10-11 and see if there is a spiritual co-relation between Hebrews 4 and the man who picked up sticks and was stoned to death in Numbers 15:32-36.

I don't mean to ignore your post #6. God willing I will respond.

To God Be The Glory

101G · Nov 14, 2017

Jun2u said:
Romans 8:1, 9 is describing a saved person, and is contrary to Numbers 15.

was not the person in Numbers 15 under the covenant protection?. so Romans 8:1 apply.
now I think I can answer your question as to what you're looking for. WHAT IS THE "WORK" OF GOD?. is it manual labor?, or spiritual labor? scripture, John 6:28 "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent". now what about the man and the stick, did he believe the LAW? Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit".

Hope that help.

Jun2u · Nov 14, 2017

KBCid said:
Yes YES! I can do no more than add to the truth you reveal.

Ez 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Ex 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD...
...16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Is 66: 22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Were the 10 Commandments Around Before Moses?
Interestingly, Israel was reminded to remember the Sabbath even before they came to Mount Sinai. This was when God gave them manna to eat.
“Then he [Moses] said to them, ‘This is what the LORD has said: “Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD.”’ … Then Moses said, ‘Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the LORD; today you will not find it [manna] in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.’
“Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the LORD said to Moses, ‘How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?’ (Exodus 16:23-28).
So even before they arrived at Mount Sinai, God expected the people to obey His commandments, including the Fourth Commandment
Were the 10 Commandments Around Before Moses?

The Sabbath IS God's holy day established from the beginning for men and in it we are to cease from seeking our own pleasure and seek the pleasure of God;

Is 58:13If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Very good insight! In fact, the same scriptures you offered are what I was going to speak also. However, there are three crucial elements you failed to elaborate. .

1 The Seventh Day Sabbath was only a sign, meaning there is a reality of importance.
2 What was the significance of stoning to death of the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath! Why was the punishment so severe?
3 Which Sabbath is in view in Isaiah 58:13-14.

Please, examine the language very carefully.

I’ve always maintained that the Gospel message should be seen in the pages of the Bible. If it is not seen, it is not because the Gospel message is not there, but because God had not opened our eyes.

When you think you’ve understood and found the spiritual significance of the above, come back, and we’ll reason together.

To God Be The Glory

KBCid · Nov 15, 2017

Jun2u said:
Very good insight! In fact, the same scriptures you offered are what I was going to speak also. However, there are three crucial elements you failed to elaborate. .
1 The Seventh Day Sabbath was only a sign, meaning there is a reality of importance.

The reality of importance was that the people would "know" and honor the one God who consecrates them.
The Sabbath was the signature act of the one and only God who created all in 6 days and this sign differentiates the one true God from the gods of those of the rest of the world.

Jun2u said:
2 What was the significance of stoning to death of the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath! Why was the punishment so severe?

The man was blatantly testing God. no different than when satan told Eve that you will not surely die.

Jun2u said:
3 Which Sabbath is in view in Isaiah 58:13-14.

It is quite clear which Sabbath is being referred to ; "on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable" since there is only one day that God made holy and sanctified it.

mjrhealth · Nov 15, 2017

KBCid said:
The reality of importance was that the people would "know" and honor the one God who consecrates them.
The Sabbath was the signature act of the one and only God who created all in 6 days and this sign differentiates the one true God from the gods of those of the rest of the world.

The man was blatantly testing God. no different than when satan told Eve that you will not surely die.

It is quite clear which Sabbath is being referred to ; "on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable" since there is only one day that God made holy and sanctified it.

And God will not change for anyman....

101G · Nov 15, 2017

Jun2u said:
Very good insight! In fact, the same scriptures you offered are what I was going to speak also. However, there are three crucial elements you failed to elaborate. .

1 The Seventh Day Sabbath was only a sign, meaning there is a reality of importance.
2 What was the significance of stoning to death of the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath! Why was the punishment so severe?
3 Which Sabbath is in view in Isaiah 58:13-14.

Please, examine the language very carefully.

I’ve always maintained that the Gospel message should be seen in the pages of the Bible. If it is not seen, it is not because the Gospel message is not there, but because God had not opened our eyes.

When you think you’ve understood and found the spiritual significance of the above, come back, and we’ll reason together.

To God Be The Glory

First, thanks for the response I'll address this tonight. Not home now

Jun2u · Nov 15, 2017

Richard_oti said:
Well said Liafailrock. While I may not agree with every minute detail, they are rather insignificant.

Really, is that what you believe?

Words and phrases were not written accidentally or incidentally in Scriptures. Every word and phrase, even to the singularity or plurality of a word was crafted with purpose.

For instance, a distinction was made in Galatians 3:16 as it reads:
“To Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed,which is Christ.”

So don’t say time and day is of insignificant in the Bible. You may not agree with scriptures but that does not mean you are right. In fact you are wrong for the Bible is the authority!

The beginning of the “three days and three nights” must be established to get the correct 72 hours of duration Jesus was in the tomb!

To God Be The Glory

Jun2u · Nov 15, 2017

mjrhealth said:
And God will not change for anyman....

That's correct. God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and for ever. However, His program changes from time to time.

mjrhealth · Nov 16, 2017

Jun2u said:
That's correct. God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and for ever. However, His program changes from time to time.

not teh one you speak of, Gods program doesnt change He has it all just teh way HE wants it, its man who changes things,

Richard_oti · Nov 16, 2017

Jun2u said:
Really, is that what you believe?

Words and phrases were not written accidentally or incidentally in Scriptures. Every word and phrase, even to the singularity or plurality of a word was crafted with purpose.

Do you know what minute detail that I do not necessarily agree with?

And, it was Liafailrock's understanding with regard to something he stated that I did not necessarily agree with.

<snip>

Jun2u said:
So don’t say time and day is of insignificant in the Bible. You may not agree with scriptures but that does not mean you are right. In fact you are wrong for the Bible is the authority!

<chuckle> I did not disagree with the "Scriptures", I did not agree with a given understanding. However, it is also an "understanding" that has very little impact upon the whole. It is not something worth arguing over. At some point, perhaps I shall be willing to discuss it. But for now, I have other priorities unto which I need attend.

If you are merely looking for a fight, by all means, go ahead. If you are looking for such, perhaps you can tell me what minute detail of said "understanding" that I did not agree with.

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