Every Believer Must Do Good Works and Proclaim the Gospel, Some Are Called to Teach

GodsGrace · Nov 12, 2017

christiang said:
I give examples of good works in the study. Giving money to the poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc.

Sorry Christiang,
I don't usually check out links.
I like to hear what we have to say as to what we believe in our very own words.

So to make it easier for you, I'll tell you what I think good works are.
Before we become saved, we do works all the time. But we do them for ourselves or others, or nobody.

After we become saved, EVERYTHING we do is for the glory we want to give to God. We could be doing the very same things as before, but FOR GOD.

Jesus did say that we are to obey Him and follow His commands. And He did leave commands. A read through Mathew will prove that to anyone who wants to see.

In the beatitudes, Jesus makes it clear that what He's looking for is a change of heart. However, we cannot stop at the change of heart.

James said that faith without works is dead. A dead faith that is of no value to anyone. So, yes, good works are necessary.

If God tells us to give to the poor, fine.
He might lead us to teach, fine.
He might tell us not to do anything for a while, fine.

If we tire while doing this "work" which HE has asked us to do, I'd question if it was really HIM asking us.

However, anything good that we do after salvation could be called a work for God. A smile to a stranger could make them happy for a moment.

Would you agree?

christiang · Nov 12, 2017

101G said:
so you know all men? yes or no

Whoever has the holy spirit inside him, just as Jesus Christ did, knows the hearts of men, because the holy spirit tells him concerning other men, for this is a form of prophesying that is common among all prophets of God,

(Formerly in Israel, if someone went to inquire of God, they would say, “Come, let us go to the seer,” because the prophet of today used to be called a seer.)… “I am the seer,” Samuel replied. “Go up ahead of me to the high place, for today you are to eat with me, and in the morning I will send you on your way and will tell you all that is in your heart.
(1 Samuel 9:9-19 [NIV])

But if all prophesy, and some unbeliever or uninstructed should come in, he is reproved* by all, he is examined by all, and the secrets of his heart become manifest. And thus having fallen upon his face, he will worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
(1 Corinthians 14:24-25 [MODIFIED-BLB])*

Interlinear Links: *ἐλέγχεται (reproved), 1 Corinthians 14:24

“I have no husband,” she replied. Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.” “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. (John 4:17-19 [NIV])

Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him and said, “Prophesy to us, Messiah. Who hit you?“
(Matthew 26:67-68 [NIV])

christiang · Nov 12, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Sorry Christiang,
I don't usually check out links.
I like to hear what we have to say as to what we believe in our very own words.

So to make it easier for you, I'll tell you what I think good works are.
Before we become saved, we do works all the time. But we do them for ourselves or others, or nobody.

After we become saved, EVERYTHING we do is for the glory we want to give to God. We could be doing the very same things as before, but FOR GOD.

Jesus did say that we are to obey Him and follow His commands. And He did leave commands. A read through Mathew will prove that to anyone who wants to see.

In the beatitudes, Jesus makes it clear that what He's looking for is a change of heart. However, we cannot stop at the change of heart.

James said that faith without works is dead. A dead faith that is of no value to anyone. So, yes, good works are necessary.

If God tells us to give to the poor, fine.
He might lead us to teach, fine.
He might tell us not to do anything for a while, fine.

If we tire while doing this "work" which HE has asked us to do, I'd question if it was really HIM asking us.

However, anything good that we do after salvation could be called a work for God. A smile to a stranger could make them happy for a moment.

Would you agree?

A good work, in plain terms, would be helping someone with an actual need. For example, one common type of person in our American society that are in need are the homeless. Doing a good work would be to give them money or to give them food, for they are in actual need. If you smile at a person on the street, that is not a good work. Scripture also reveals other ways to do good, such as housing people that don't have a place to live, or visiting prisoners in prison, or visiting the sick, helping orphans, helping widows.

101G · Nov 12, 2017

christiang said:
Whoever has the holy spirit inside him, just as Jesus Christ did, knows the hearts of men, because the holy spirit tells him concerning other men, for this is a form of prophesying that is common among all prophets of God,

God knows every heart, true. but, "because the holy spirit tells him concerning other men". please post book chapter and verse where that the Holy Spirit tells anyone to judge anyone heart. and I suggest you read, Romans 14:13 "Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way". now, God can Judge, but Man by the Holy Spirit?. please post scripture.

christiang · Nov 12, 2017

101G said:
God knows every heart, true. but, "because the holy spirit tells him concerning other men". please post book chapter and verse where that the Holy Spirit tells anyone to judge anyone heart. and I suggest you read, Romans 14:13 "Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way". now, God can Judge, but Man by the Holy Spirit?. please post scripture.

No one here is judging anyone. Judging implies condemning sinners to death as the Law demands. I am rebuking and instructing. What is my message? Do good unto others. Give to the poor. Feed the hungry. If you have a problem with this message, then there's a problem with you.

Helen · Nov 12, 2017

blessedhope · Nov 12, 2017

Must Do Good Works>>Must<<>> NO!

101G · Nov 12, 2017

christiang said:
Judging implies condemning sinners to death as the Law demands

First, thanks for the response. second, as Christians, or righteous one we're not subject to Law, scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers" ect. so the Law is not for us who are righteous in Christ". two the Law was a pointer to Christ to SAVE sinners.

christiang said:
I am rebuking and instructing.

good I commend you. but rebuking and instructing is not way of "nitwit".... (smile), ok.

christiang said:
What is my message? Do good unto others.

Great good message.

christiang said:
Give to the poor. Feed the hungry. If you have a problem with this message, then there's a problem with you.

so if I just don't feed the hungry, and give to the poor only, am I lost? or if I led someone to Christ is that a problem, if I don't feed the hungry, or give to the poor?

blessedhope · Nov 12, 2017

Theres that works again !!! Its like the law has come back !! some so called Christians mock the jews and their blind state {at this time}>> about the law and then speak out of both sides out of their mouths and forked tongue!!

christiang · Nov 12, 2017

101G said:
First, thanks for the response. second, as Christians, or righteous one we're not subject to Law, scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers" ect. so the Law is not for us who are righteous in Christ". two the Law was a pointer to Christ to SAVE sinners.

good I commend you. but rebuking and instructing is not way of "nitwit".... (smile), ok.

Great good message.

so if I just don't feed the hungry, and give to the poor only, am I lost? or if I led someone to Christ is that a problem, if I don't feed the hungry, or give to the poor?

If you don't feed the hungry and give to the poor then yes, you are lost, because the love of Christ is not in you. Also, if you still sin, then you are in fact under Law, for indeed the Law is written for sinners. You can only be released from Law once you are released from the sinful nature, and even then you still obey Law, but under the freedom of the Spirit.

GodsGrace · Nov 12, 2017

christiang said:
A good work, in plain terms, would be helping someone with an actual need. For example, one common type of person in our American society that are in need are the homeless. Doing a good work would be to give them money or to give them food, for they are in actual need. If you smile at a person on the street, that is not a good work. Scripture also reveals other ways to do good, such as housing people that don't have a place to live, or visiting prisoners in prison, or visiting the sick, helping orphans, helping widows.

You're basing this on Mathew 25.
It's legitimate. It's good if you can do it.
What if a person cannot? For whatever reason.
Can we trust God to know that we're doing what we can?
And how do we know if we're doing something because we're functioning under the law
Or because we're following the law of Grace?

christiang · Nov 12, 2017

GodsGrace said:
You're basing this on Mathew 25.
It's legitimate. It's good if you can do it.
What if a person cannot? For whatever reason.
Can we trust God to know that we're doing what we can?
And how do we know if we're doing something because we're functioning under the law
Or because we're following the law of Grace?

Whoever is chosen will do good works, because the good works the chosen do were already prepared beforehand for the chosen to do,

For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. (Ephesians 2:10 [NIV])

GodsGrace · Nov 12, 2017

blessedhope said:
Must Do Good Works>>Must<<>> NO!

Unfortunately, it's Yes.
If we want to live in the Kingdom, here, then we do have to follow the rules of the kingdom.

GodsGrace · Nov 12, 2017

christiang said:
Whoever is chosen will do good works, because the good works the chosen do were already prepared beforehand for the chosen to do,

For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. (Ephesians 2:10 [NIV])

Are you saying that God chose me to be saved?

christiang · Nov 12, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Are you saying that God chose me to be saved?

It is clear that he is drawing you, because I perceive your heart is more eager to do good than this old lady I've been contending with all day on here who refuses to understand that as believers we must all do good works after believing. Sadly, many have been deceived into the false teaching of not having to do good works, in which case they render their own faith null, making it dead and worthless, since they look upon someone in need and say, "I don't have to help him".

Ally.s.j · Nov 12, 2017

101G said:
so I can take that as a no?...... (smile).

You are being to forcefull and railroading your brother to trap him. Not cool man, cmon. Love one and other always. You would not goad Jesus like this would you?

Ally.s.j · Nov 12, 2017

christiang said:
It is clear that he is drawing you, because I perceive your heart is more eager to do good than this old lady I've been contending with all day on here who refuses to understand that as believers we must all do good works after believing. Sadly, many have been deceived into the false teaching of not having to do good works, in which case they render their own faith null, making it dead and worthless, since they look upon someone in need and say, "I don't have to help him".

I have not said anything against you brother. But You are not treaing Your sister right her calling her old lady. You also are called to love the brethern. But your goading them. If you love them you would try a little harder to teach and reach, without being condecending towards them/ You also would not talk to Christ like this. This is not of God. Jesus died for her and he died to set you free from what you are doing here. Please try a little harder at forging everyone.

101G · Nov 12, 2017

christiang said:
If you don't feed the hungry and give to the poor then yes, you are lost, because the love of Christ is not in you. Also, if you still sin, then you are in fact under Law, for indeed the Law is written for sinners. You can only be released from Law once you are released from the sinful nature, and even then you still obey Law, but under the freedom of the Spirit.

what if I am poor myself?.

Ally.s.j · Nov 12, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Are you saying that God chose me to be saved?

Of coarse He did. He loved you and knew you from the begining. You are a part of Him. And so special to Him.

Ally.s.j · Nov 12, 2017

101G said:
what if I am poor myself?.

Ask and you will be given. Impossible to be poor and have the richest Father in the universe.

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