God Changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship To Sunday Sabbath

what has that goto to do with teh sabbath. Do you think God was so blind He didnt see that one coming. People seem to have this funny thing about God, created eh universe and teh earth and all things, yet they treat Him like a fool, go on, try do something to surprise God see if you can catch Him out.

this here is where scripture records Christians gathering on the first day of the week:


Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

which was in Troas which is defiantly gentile so, though it's not a every week statement but you can be sure its a affirmation that meeting on the first day of the week is appropriate to anyone concerned. its been said that Israel was instructed to honor the seventh day because there God is the Creator and Judge "Elohim" just as the baptism represent (other than public repentance) is the same God of Noah who cleansed the earth with water. the offering of the lamb for sin, the same God who sacrificed animals to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness and shame and also had respect for Abel and his offering that was the first man to die, and God made sure we knew He heard Abel's blood cry out from the ground.

so, now the Christian community honors the first day of the week that Jesus was raised. no rocket surgery or brain science here.

DPMartin said:

this here is where scripture records Christians gathering on the first day of the week:
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
which was in Troas which is defiantly gentile so, though it's not a every week statement but you can be sure its a affirmation that meeting on the first day of the week is appropriate to anyone concerned. its been said that Israel was instructed to honor the seventh day because there God is the Creator and Judge "Elohim" just as the baptism represent (other than public repentance) is the same God of Noah who cleansed the earth with water. the offering of the lamb for sin, the same God who sacrificed animals to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness and shame and also had respect for Abel and his offering that was the first man to die, and God made sure we knew He heard Abel's blood cry out from the ground.
so, now the Christian community honors the first day of the week that Jesus was raised. no rocket surgery or brain science here.

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It is no special thing to meet on any day of the week. Notice they do not call the first day of the week any different than it has always been called and they also say nothing about the meeting being any special thing to be observed... A bunch of believers met after the Sabbath day on what would be a normal day of the week to do work, period.
And Christ was not raised on the first day of the week. When Mary arrived early on the first day of the week....
Luke 24:1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 4And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 6He is not here, but is risen

Christ HAD ALREADY been resurrected.
Before the end of the Sabbath day.

KBCid said:

It is no special thing to meet on any day of the week. Notice they do not call the first day of the week any different than it has always been called and they also say nothing about the meeting being any special thing to be observed... A bunch of believers met after the Sabbath day on what would be a normal day of the week to do work, period.
And Christ was not raised on the first day of the week. When Mary arrived early on the first day of the week....
Luke 24:1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 4And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 6He is not here, but is risen

Christ HAD ALREADY been resurrected.
Before the end of the Sabbath day.

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the end of the Sabbath was what we call sunset on Saturday, so any time after that is the first day of the week. so therefore according to Jews days and calendar (which is what counts here) Jesus was raised on the first day of the week. do your home work.

DPMartin said:

the end of the Sabbath was what we call sunset on Saturday, so any time after that is the first day of the week. so therefore according to Jews days and calendar (which is what counts here) Jesus was raised on the first day of the week. do your home work.

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Show the verse that says Christ rose on the first day of the week. That is what really matters here. I will repost the verses again so you can point it out. Which verse? 1,2,3,4,5,6?

Luke 24:1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 4And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 6He is not here, but is risen

Christ HAD ALREADY been resurrected by the time Mary arrived which means that he could have risen anytime in the prior 24 hr period.

KBCid said:

Show the verse that says Christ rose on the first day of the week. That is what really matters here. I will repost the verses again so you can point it out. Which verse? 1,2,3,4,5,6?

Luke 24:1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 4And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 6He is not here, but is risen

Christ HAD ALREADY been resurrected by the time Mary arrived which means that he could have risen anytime in the prior 24 hr period.

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were done here, you can take your fictitious ding dong interpretation elsewhere.

DPMartin said:

were done here, you can take your fictitious ding dong interpretation elsewhere.

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So since you cannot answer to what is stated then attacking me is your way out. I get it no worries.

Jun2u said:

The significance of the Seventh Day Sabbath was to not do any work. Why? To show an aspect of salvation.

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The significance was not to do any work for yourself and honor the one and only God who made all things. The highest form of worship is to mimic the one you worship.
God made a day holy and sanctified it. If we do not honor Gods work then effectively you don't honor God which is why this day is used as a sign between God and those who worship them.

Jun2u said:

There is a big difference. Satan told Eve she would surely not die, while God told the Israelites they will surely die if they did work on the Sabbath, as illustrated by the man who picked up sticks

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No difference.
God said you would surely die to Adam and Eve. satan talked them into testing God and they died.
An Israelite who was told that he would certainly die for working on the Sabbath was testing God and he died. Absolutely plain and simple. Test God and see if their word is not held.

Jun2u said:

Did I not ask you in post #13 to read the language of Isaiah 58 very carefully, and to come back when you have understood it’s spiritual meaning so as we can reason together again?
Apparently you have not as you did not address or perhaps, did not understand, the most significant teachings of Isaiah 58. That is...
The above phrases specially the underlined words implies that there are oppositions between Seventh Day and Isaiah 58, in that work is allowed, and therefore, contrary to the Seventh Day Sabbath, that prohibits, no work of any kind is to be done! Which I conveyed in the OP. Therefore, the Sunday Sabbath or First Day of the Week Sabbath is in view which also is set forth in the language of Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2.
Does the Seventh Day Sabbath contradict Isaiah 58? Not if we understand the spiritual aspect of salvation within the Seventh Day Sabbath. To God Be The Glory

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And the bottom line was that it is God's Sabbath and in that time period we are not to find our own pleasure but rather the pleasure of them that formed all things so if I go out and feed the poor on that day it is acceptable even though some might consider it work.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

And so men chase after teh sabbath because of unbelief,

Jun2u said:

If you thought my words to you are harsh, that I am being argumentative, and looking for a fight, let me now assure you that is NOT my intentions.

If you thought I was all of the above, I apologize. Besides, this is not the characteristics of a born again Christian.

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Fair enough. My apologies likewise.

If I misunderstood your post please correct me.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you that time and day(s) are significant. Thus, it is important to understand 3 days and 3 nights. I agreed with the gist of the post by @liafailrock. That which I did not agree with, was a minor issue, primarily with regard to Shavu`ot. AKA Feast of Weeks / First Fruits. While I agree that it is the day after shabat. As I see the start and end of Shavu`ot in the year of the crucifixion slightly different. However, that we each see it slightly different, is not a major issue. It does not effect the overall nor the outcome.

With regard to OP, I must disagree. While you are correct, in that it is a plural, it is also used elsewhere in the NT in plural when referring to a week. Just as shavu`a in Hebrew is used for a period of seven.

mjrhealth said:

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Heb 4:10 ... hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

And so men chase after teh sabbath because of unbelief,

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Emphasis mine. Or, since there remains a sabbatismos, they do not enter that rest, because of unbelief.

Jun2u said:

I beg to differ. It is a fundamental rule that a singular word cannot be substituted for a plural word and vice versa. True, there are seven days in a week, but we do not say there are four week in a month. Likewise, in Matthew 28:1 the Greek word “Sabbaton” is a plural word as explained in the OP. But I’m glad you checked me out and finally admits its a plural word,

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I didn't check you out. I have been aware of such for many a long year.
Notice that which you wrote above, there are "seven days in a week". In this, it is referring to seven of days that comprise a singular week, not "weeks".

Some have claimed, it is due to there being two shabats. I disagree, IMO it is merely a function of language.

You could read it such as:

Now late of seven the dawning toward one of seven.
Now late of shavua` / shabat the dawning toward one of [the] week.

Sabbaton is the genitive case, which is often the possessive. A noun in the genitive case qualifies another noun with regard to its "class" or "kind". It helps to limit the scope of another noun. In this case, it limits the scope with regard to the participle dawning.

The dawning, is the dative case, or the indirect object.

One is the accusative case, it is the direct object.

The second occurrence of sabbaton, is also the genitive case, which serves to qualify one.


Mark 16:1 and of passing of the shabat ... gen. sing.
Mark 16:2 of the one of seven ... gen pl. they come upon the tomb, with "the tomb" being the accusative.

IOW: It's all Greek to me. My knowledge with regard to Greek is weak at best.
However, there is nothing mystical to be found here.

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Jun2u said:

but I do have a Strong’s Concordance.

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Which hopefully, shall serve you well. However, before attempting to find anything mystical or redefine / reinterpret a thing, a little knowledge of the grammatical construct of a language is necessary.

Jun2u said:

People tend to read the Bible literally without regard to the fundamental principle God had set forth in 2Timothy 3:16-17 and 1Corinthians 2:14. These two principles were given so that we may understand the more difficult passages in the Bible, by comparing scriptures with scriptures, and spiritual things with spiritual!

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But let us also remember, that anything "spiritual" that we may think we find, can not overthrow the pshat [plain and simple] reading of a text. Otherwise, we can make almost any text say almost anything. Something I have witnessed far too many attempt to do. Even to the point of rendering good for evil and evil for good. And no, I do not exaggerate, for I have witnessed as much from people using a Strong's Concordance. I am not saying that of you.

Jun2u said:

I am very familiar with the argument of Matthew 12:40 regarding the three days and three nights of Jesus in the tomb. Has anyone considered Jesus NEVER said He was going to be three days and three nights in the tomb rather, in the heart of the earth? These two terms are not synonymous, one has to be spiritually discerned. Jesus told the thief, ‘this day thou shalt be with me in Paradise’. So how can Jesus be in heaven and said to be in the tomb / in the heart of the earth at the same time? Please don’t say He is God so He is omnipresent.

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Indeed. I also am aware of those things.

1Pe 3:19 in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison

Jun2u said:

Anther thing, those who argue for Matthew 12:40 equate their solution of the three days and three nights with the account of the Passover meal enacted in Exodus 12. They argue Jesus was crucified on Thursday which was equivalent to Nissan 14 when the Passover Lamb was killed.

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I have seen and witnessed many variations of said argument above. Some are closer than others, some miss the mark entirely.

The crucifixion would have to have occurred upon a Wednesday. Thursday would have been the "high shabat" or the first day of Unleavened Bread. Friday, a regular ol' sixth day. Shabat, with the resurrection occurring somewhere near the end of the shabat. The tomb being found empty upon the "one of seven" or first [day] of [the] week.

Jun2u said:

You seem to know about feast days and agree with @liafailrock. Is the above true? If it is then I have other statements and questions to ask how all this fits together.

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Feel free to ask whatever you wish. I shall gladly answer to the best of my ability. If I don't know, or if I am speculating, I shall also say as much. Assuming of course, that I understood your original post and did not misunderstand the intent of what you are stating.

Be forewarned: I can be long winded.

In His love,
Richard

The Sabbath was a symbol of Jesus and now it is a New Testament reality. We can trust in the finished work of Christ and rest continually in this. We don’t have to set aside one day a week to cease striving; our entire lives as believers dwell in this place. When Jesus hung on the cross he said, “it is finished” (John 19:30). He had fulfilled everything in the Law and provided the righteousness of the law to us as a free gift. We do not need to add one thing to it, Jesus provided the way, and by trusting in this provision we rest from trying to do it on our own. This is the true Sabbath rest that God desires for His people. This rest is so much more than most people’s interpretation of the Old Testament scriptures about the Sabbath day. The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus and knowing this amazing truth will equip you for a lifestyle of trusting in God and finding constant rest in Christ.

I beg to differ. It is a fundamental rule that a singular word cannot be substituted for a plural word and vice versa. True, there are seven days in a week, but we do not say there are four week in a month. Likewise, in Matthew 28:1 the Greek word “Sabbaton” is a plural word as explained in the OP. But I’m glad you checked me out and finally admits its a plural word, because here I am English is my second language also without knowledge of Hebrew or Greek, but I do have a Strong’s Concordance.

People tend to read the Bible literally without regard to the fundamental principle God had set forth in 2Timothy 3:16-17 and 1Corinthians 2:14. These two principles were given so that we may understand the more difficult passages in the Bible, by comparing scriptures with scriptures, and spiritual things with spiritual!

I am very familiar with the argument of Matthew 12:40 regarding the three days and three nights of Jesus in the tomb. Has anyone considered Jesus NEVER said He was going to be three days and three nights in the tomb rather, in the heart of the earth? These two terms are not synonymous, one has to be spiritually discerned. Jesus told the thief, ‘this day thou shalt be with me in Paradise’. So how can Jesus be in heaven and said to be in the tomb / in the heart of the earth at the same time? Please don’t say He is God so He is omnipresent.

Anther thing, those who argue for Matthew 12:40 equate their solution of the three days and three nights with the account of the Passover meal enacted in Exodus 12. They argue Jesus was crucified on Thursday which was equivalent to Nissan 14 when the Passover Lamb was killed.



You seem to know about feast days and agree with @liafailrock. Is the above true? If it is then I have other statements and questions to ask how all this fits together.

To God Be The Glory

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Maybe explain more precisely what you are getting at? Jesus said three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Even if you want to consider that from the time of his death rather than burial, we are only mincing over a few hours. He both died and was buried near sundown thus 72 hours later he would raise again (3 days and 3 nights later) meaning his resurrection occurred the same time of the day in the evening as the sun was setting. No need to make it more complicated or spiritual than that. The 3 days was a sign he was Messiah so that is something one can clearly count out.

Jun2u said:

I’m entertaining your post although it has nothing at all to do with the OP.

Hebrews 9:16-17 reads

16 For where a testament is, there must also be of necessity be the death of a testator,

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth

Bold words are for emphasis.

Jesus was still alive when He uttered the words “It is finished.”

What was finished and when was it finished?

Define "doing it on our own."

To God Be The Glory

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Reading John 19:30 tells us Jesus was still teaching right up until he passed. He concord Death at this. Not that his time here was finished but that death had been concord. We can now REST knowing he has provided the way.