Born again requirement ?

BreadOfLife said:

Yet again, you illustrate that you don't have a clue as to what Christ's Church is.
It's not a gaggle of millions of disobedient Lone Ranger, pseudo-believers like yourself - nor is it tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering sects all teaching different doctrines. And it certainly isn't YOUR cult (aggressivechristianity.net) that was established in 1979.

He only built ONE Church - and you're outside of it . . .

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ScottA said:

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

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Thank you for that completely irrelevant verse that has nothing to do with our conversation.

A little advice: Don't quote Scripture until you learn what it means.

BreadOfLife said:

Thank you for that completely irrelevant verse that has nothing to do with our conversation.

A little advice: Don't quote Scripture until you learn what it means.

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Once again you make it official.

BreadOfLife said:

Ummmm, which Church is that in history?
If you're going to claim that the Catholic Church isn't it - then which church was it?

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Is "sand" rock or Rock? ... Anyway...not the one built on the sand, but the other One.

ScottA said:

Is "sand" rock or Rock? ... Anyway...not the one built on the sand, but the other One.

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Another non answer.
Reply when you have a real answer to my question.

BreadOfLife said:

Ummmm, which Church is that in history?
If you're going to claim that the Catholic Church isn't it - then which church was it?

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Reformed Protestantism, but I can't prove it.

tabletalk said:

Reformed Protestantism, but I can't prove it.

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Of course you can't.
We would have to completely erase 15 centuries of Christendom to arrive at that whopper . . .

BreadOfLife said:

Ummmm, which Church is that in history?
If you're going to claim that the Catholic Church isn't it - then which church was it?

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You didn't get the hint...so here is the true and correct answer:

None.

Have you learned nothing? "History" is of the world, but the kingdom and the church, are not. Christ is in the world, but the church is not. That is why "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" for your lot.

twinc said:

presumably this is an individual special inspiration/revelation from the indwelling Holy Spirit - twinc

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Yes, but it's in the scriptures:

• John 18:36 [Full Chapter]
  Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
• Galatians 2:20
  I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
• Colossians 3:1
  If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
• 1 John 4:2-3
  2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
• Philippians 1:21 [Full Chapter]
  For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
• Romans 6:23
  For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
• Revelation 14:17
  Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

• 1 Peter 2:5
  you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
• John 3:13
  No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

...Just to name a few.

BreadOfLife said:

Ummmm, which Church is that in history?
If you're going to claim that the Catholic Church isn't it - then which church was it?

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The church which Jesus redeemed with His blood which began on Pentecost where 3,000 people were saved. These are scattered in local churches all over the world, even at your church.

There is a remnant chosen by grace from every nation of the world, born at different times in history, and these He will separate on the last day.

Read the parable of the Wheat and Tares.

I haven't heard from you lately. I thought you left the building!

Jun2u said:

The church which Jesus redeemed with His blood which began on Pentecost where 3,000 people were saved. These are scattered in local churches all over the world, even at your church.

There is a remnant chosen by grace from every nation of the world, born at different times in history, and these He will separate on the last day.

Read the parable of the Wheat and Tares.

I haven't heard from you lately. I thought you left the building!

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Actually - the Bible never speaks about the Church as a "hidden remnant" - but a visible entity.
Jesus likened it to a "city on a hill" that cannot be hidden (Matt. 5:14-16). This "remnant" explanation is simply a myth.

All of the "churches" spoken of in the NT were the SAME Church - just in different locations.
Today, we call them "parishes".

ScottA said:

You didn't get the hint...so here is the true and correct answer:

None.

Have you learned nothing? "History" is of the world, but the kingdom and the church, are not. Christ is in the world, but the church is not. That is why "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" for your lot.

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Wrong.

The Church is IN the world - it's just not OF the world.
We're all in the world but some of us are OF Christ..

Keep studying - you'll get there . . .

BreadOfLife said:

Wrong.

The Church is IN the world - it's just not OF the world.
We're all in the world but some of us are OF Christ..

Keep studying - you'll get there . . .

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"There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

BreadOfLife said:

Actually - the Bible never speaks about the Church as a "hidden remnant" - but a visible entity.
Jesus likened it to a "city on a hill" that cannot be hidden (Matt. 5:14-16).

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Wrong... He was speaking to and about "the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

BreadOfLife said:

Actually - the Bible never speaks about the Church as a "hidden remnant" - but a visible entity.
Jesus likened it to a "city on a hill" that cannot be hidden (Matt. 5:14-16). This "remnant" explanation is simply a myth.

All of the "churches" spoken of in the NT were the SAME Church - just in different locations.
Today, we call them "parishes".

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Scripture tell us there are saved and unsaved people alike in any congregations of the world.

Tell me, in your church, can you tell who is a wheat or who is a tare? Or, is everyone there a wheat? In fact, all the wheat in different congregations of the world consists of one body called the Church of Jesus Christ, of which Jesus is the head, and since no one can see with their naked eye, the saved are said to be invisible. Read Romans 9:27; 11:5-7.

In your church however, all will become saved because there is a stop over called purgatory where they are prayed for before going to be with the Lord. What a beautiful concept. Now I can live a life of sin on earth, and when I die and go to purgatory, all I need is for someone to pray for me, and I will go to be with the Lord.

But there is a very big problem. Scripture declare, “It is appointed for man once to die and then judgment."

BreadOfLife said:

Thank you for that completely irrelevant verse that has nothing to do with our conversation.

A little advice: Don't quote Scripture until you learn what it means.

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Yews you should take your own advice....

BreadOfLife said:

The Church is IN the world - it's just not OF the world.
We're all in the world but some of us are OF Christ.

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Amen but we know them by there fruit, any man who does not glorify God is not from God, is it not your church your religion you glorify and promote....??


A little thing I wrote some time ago, be right up your alley BOL. And its not just about your false religion, but all of mens... So dont feel so lonely.


A difficult thing to write but needs to be said.

Religion is not Gods doing. God isn’t that foolish, though man tends to make Him seem that way.
Now, I wonder how many people from whatever denomination would be able to stand before God and say,

Our church murdered the prophets, killed the saints, but that’s ok God after all its your church.
We slaughtered the Jews, sold and are still selling salvation at a price, but that’s ok God after all it is your church.
We molest children, commit adultery, tell lies and preach to itchy ears, things that we want to hear, but that’s ok God after all it is your church.
We murdered and tortured those that would not join, if they questioned us we burnt them at the stake, but that’s ok God after all we are still your church.
We would not allow others to read the bible or any text lest they discovered us, and we killed anyone that tried, but again that is ok God after all it is your church.
We only taught in latin, oh it sounded so good, we seemed to be so holy but we didn’t want them to know, they had to come to us, we couldn’t afford that they discover you and seek you for themselves, but that is ok God after all we are your church.
And we became so rich and built these magnificent temples to heaven so all the world could see how Holy we are, are you not proud of what we have done, oh and we even help the poor with whats left over, see God we are your church are we not?.
And the clothes we ware, you should look God, we dress so grand so that the world can see who we are, purple, and scarlet, black and Gold no expense spared, for the people must know our “position”, musnt they, after all God we are your church and we must show them who we are.
And we have priests and apostles, bishops, and clergyman. Pastors and prophets, we send them to the best schools, no expense spared, we teach them the bible, and what we want them to know, we don’t need you God cause we have the best right here on earth, and since we are your Church it must be ok.
So God I guess we must be going to heaven since we belong to at least one of these denomination which although we all preach a different gospel, hold different beliefs and sometimes even use a different bible, it is all ok, God we are your church.

And Jesus said,

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

I hope for your sake you are not found in her when He comes.

In all His Love

This is to all the false churches, denominations.

2014

Being born again, Its simple, and has nothing to do with mens religions no matter how teh pharisees and the lawyers and teh religious will try con you into joining them in there delusion, it also has nothing to do with that sinners prayer that so many keep posting, it has to do do with ones heart and what one believes. When you with your hear cry out to Jesus than He will hear, than teh Holy Spirit will come to you, the seed of God that is planted in you, which is when you become a new creation. It is between you and Jesus and no one else, not religion on teh face of this earth can save mankind no matter how much they try dupe you into thinking they can. The er is no religion on the face of this earth from God, it is all part of teh harlot church: all of it.

But they wont hear and they wont understand because they are not of God, teh lawyers, teh pharisees and teh religious.

1Co_6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co_6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

There is only one way to Heaven, Jesus.

Jun2u said:

Scripture tell us there are saved and unsaved people alike in any congregations of the world.

Tell me, in your church, can you tell who is a wheat or who is a tare? Or, is everyone there a wheat? In fact, all the wheat in different congregations of the world consists of one body called the Church of Jesus Christ, of which Jesus is the head, and since no one can see with their naked eye, the saved are said to be invisible. Read Romans 9:27; 11:5-7.

In your church however, all will become saved because there is a stop over called purgatory where they are prayed for before going to be with the Lord. What a beautiful concept. Now I can live a life of sin on earth, and when I die and go to purgatory, all I need is for someone to pray for me, and I will go to be with the Lord.

But there is a very big problem. Scripture declare, “It is appointed for man once to die and then judgment."

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And this is a very ignorant view of Catholic teaching.

First of all - your views on the doctrine of Purgatory are erroneous. The Catholic Church has NEVER taught that "all" Catholics will eventually be saved after going to Purgatory. Purgatory or final purgation is a state of final cleansing before entering Heaven because, as Rev. 21:27 tells us, NOTHING impure or unclean can enter Heaven.

Do your homework before making these asinine claims.

Secondly - neither I nor YOU can tell who is "saved" and who is not. That isn't your call - it's God's.

ScottA said:

Wrong... He was speaking to and about "the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

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Wrong.

He was speaking to the crowds right after He taught them the Beatitudes. He told them that they were the Salt and Light of the world and that their light could NOT be hidden.

Read your Bible.