Need some help on this verse...binding things on earth

@Miss Hepburn

As we bind or loose the ways of this corrupted flesh [bit of earth] and the corresponding ways of the heaven us [the "new" or "inner man"] we are also bound or loosened in the Way of God. This is the process of overcoming which would have or should have begun when we received the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can do this work in us if not quenched or hindered by us. In chapters 2 and 3 of the Book of Revelation we read in 7 places the results of overcoming. Jesus overcame the world of his own little bit of earth and then he opened the Door and provided all that is necessary for us to do the same within our little bit earth.

Binding things that need to be bound and loosing things that need to be loosed according to God's plan are how we overcome the "lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life" [ from I John 2:16]

Re Opening Post...
I believe that is part of the authority given to the church by the Lord.
When we were in the deliverance ministry we used it much.
We were taught many decades ago that , lets say, when someone wants to know more about the Lord and is a seeker , yet they someone cannot grasp it...we would pray over them and bind any spirits of hinderance blocking them from hearing the words of the Lord....and we'd loose freedom and insight to them in the name of the Lord. Same with alcoholics, we'd bind the controlling spirits ruining in their lives , and loose them from the bondage into the relam of God life and light.
I believe if I remember rightly it actually meaning there- is that whatsoever God has bound ( spirits) in the heavens, we too can bind...and all that He has loosed to us , we can loose. So it is still done via the authority of heaven.
( as in Hebrews- " He hath said...so we may boldly say.." )
But really, there is not any hard and fast rule of thumb that I have ever heard, re those scriptures, .. on binding and loosing.
Good subject though...I am always open to truth if anyone can explain that verse differently.

When I started getting flashbacks to my childhood that were creating a major problem in the present my pastor discussed the verse in the OP with me. We were endeavouring to decide whether the memories needed a prayer of binding over them. In the end both me and the pastor decided that suddenly getting the flashbacks, and the fact that I was in a stage of inner healing, was perhaps in Gods timing and purpose. So we chose to see how it all planned out.
So I have always presumed that ' binding ' meant stopping something through prayer and it being held in the spiritual realm ( so it no longer impacts ) but I am not too sure I completely understood.
' binding ' to me means controlling - to hold something down, to confine it. Loosen something means releasing, letting go, setting it free.
Butterfly x

Miss Hepburn said:

Matthew 18:18,19 - "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth
shall have been bound in heaven;
and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

I have read diff explanations but I still don't get what it means, exactly.

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In context, its concerning the churches authority in dealing with sin and whether or not that sin can be pardoned in accordance with Gods word. The church, being of the body of Christ must remain unspotted from the world to be a light onto it. The body of Christ can't do that when you have its believers openly engaging in adultery for instance, and touching little children in all the wrong places. This is the intent behind what Jesus was saying as far as I can tell, its so the church won't look like a bunch of hypocrites. So this sin can either be forgiven or pardoned, or not forgiven by the church in accordance with his word. It can either be bound, or it can loosed. If the accused decides to be hard headed about it, then he will be shunned by the church as a heathen. This behavior by the way is contrary to the way the Catholic Church dealt with its army of repeated pedophiles within its ranks over the last few decades.

(Matthew 18:15-20) "¶ Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. {16} But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. {17} And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. {18} Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. {19} Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. {20} For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

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Miss Hepburn said:

Matthew 18:18,19 - "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth
shall have been bound in heaven;
and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

I have read diff explanations but I still don't get what it means, exactly.

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This passage speaks of the "born again of the spirit of God" who "reign with Christ" during these times.

Christ has "overcome the world" and "sits at the right hand of Power" - He reigns on high. What that looks like upon the earth is the subject of great misunderstanding. But the truth is, as it has been explained: if we are "in Christ" "it is no longer we who live but Christ who lives in us"...meaning, "Christ has come in the flesh." We reign with Christ "until He makes His enemies His footstool."

Miss Hepburn said:

Matthew 18:18,19 - "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth
shall have been bound in heaven;
and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

I have read diff explanations but I still don't get what it means, exactly.

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Matthew 16:19, I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

If your bound, heaven is bound. If you are bound by the enemy in unforgiveness then you are in bondage and heaven is in bondage to using you like heaven wants to.

2 Corinthians 2:10-11, Anyone you forgive, I also forgive. And what I have forgiven—if there was anything to forgive—I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.

Unforgiveness is a way for the enemy to get a foot in the door, in your life and anger and bitterness result, you are in bondage, you are bound. Outwit the enemy, you are equipped with peace, the Holy Spirit; therefore, forgive when they don't deserve it, forgive when they don't ask for it and forgive not because they are worth it, forgive because Jesus is worth it.

Kingdom living is walking in His forgiveness and you can move mountains.

Mark 11:23, “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

Heaven is loosed.

Miss Hepburn said:

Matthew 18:18,19 - "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth
shall have been bound in heaven;
and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

I have read diff explanations but I still don't get what it means, exactly.

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Hello Miss Hepburn. Good to see you on this forum.

This is how I understand Matthew 18:18-20 "Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19. "Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

As a Christian, following the way, truth, and life of Christ, one becomes an advocate for Truth. Where two or three advocates are together on a particular situation whatever is resolved is more than likely to be in accordance to what is true. So whatever is decided, whether unforgiven or forgiven will be recorded in heaven also.

On a personal level, whatever we take in our heart, whether it is true or not, is also recorded (so to speak) in heaven. For example; I had an issue with my abusive father. For many years I could not forgive him. This was a binding me from, for I was still in self-bondage/enslavement about it. In heaven, it was recorded that I was in bondage over that issue. Years later, I was able to forgive my father, which liberated me. The bondage of self was loosened over this issue, which has now become a non-issue, and this too was recorded in heaven. What gets recorded is whatever is true. Whatever is not true gets recorded differently. As far as I know from experience, what gets recorded is another truth about the untruth, such as being is self-bondage over the issue. The untruth is not recorded, for only what is true is in heaven. IMHO.

To forgive someone is to forgive ourselves for not forgiving.
We loosen the shackles we placed on ourselves by forgiving others.

Invisibilis said:

Hello Miss Hepburn. Good to see you on this forum.

This is how I understand Matthew 18:18-20 "Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19. "Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

As a Christian, following the way, truth, and life of Christ, one becomes an advocate for Truth. Where two or three advocates are together on a particular situation whatever is resolved is more than likely to be in accordance to what is true. So whatever is decided, whether unforgiven or forgiven will be recorded in heaven also.

On a personal level, whatever we take in our heart, whether it is true or not, is also recorded (so to speak) in heaven. For example; I had an issue with my abusive father. For many years I could not forgive him. This was a binding me from, for I was still in self-bondage/enslavement about it. In heaven, it was recorded that I was in bondage over that issue. Years later, I was able to forgive my father, which liberated me. The bondage of self was loosened over this issue, which has now become a non-issue, and this too was recorded in heaven. What gets recorded is whatever is true. Whatever is not true gets recorded differently. As far as I know from experience, what gets recorded is another truth about the untruth, such as being is self-bondage over the issue. The untruth is not recorded, for only what is true is in heaven. IMHO.

To forgive someone is to forgive ourselves for not forgiving.
We loosen the shackles we placed on ourselves by forgiving others.

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You said: "To forgive someone is to forgive ourselves for not forgiving."
Can you explain this statement from a Biblical perspective?
I don't see "forgive ourselves" as a command from God.
I agree that when you were "..able to forgive my father, which liberated me." ; that is freedom.

Addressing the OP. I pray it helps.

Zechariah 9:9 KJV
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Which is it? Upon an ass or upon a colt (the foal of an ass)?

Way back in Genesis 49:11-12 the Lord shows us what He has done in preparation for Salvation as He: binds his foal and his ass's colt:
[11] Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: [12] His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

Then as the Lord enters in fulfillment of:
Zechariah 9:9 KJV
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

(Luke 19) "And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out."

(The stones being (Us) those that are His and groaning for Salvation and peace.)

But before Jesus enters:

Mark 11:4-7 KJV
[4] And they went their way, and found the colt tied by the door without in a place where two ways met; and they loose him.
They found the colt tied by a door without: a place where two ways met. The Old Covenant and the New Covenant. (The mosaic Law and Grace)...and they loose; scripture tells us...the Colt. Remember the ass and the colt of an ass were tied to vine and the choice vine in Genesis. And here is the Messiah Loosening them and bringing them into the city.

[5] And certain of them that stood there said unto them, What do ye, loosing the colt? [6] And they said unto them even as Jesus had commanded: and they let them go. [7] And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.

What did Jesus Command them to tell them:

Matthew 21:3 KJV
[3] And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.

One of the many things prepared for and by the Lord: "The Lord hath need of them."

Psalm 102:20 KJV
[20] To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;

Psalm 146:7-9 KJV
[7] Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The Lord looseth the prisoners: [8] The Lord openeth the eyes of the blind: the Lord raiseth them that are bowed down: the Lord loveth the righteous: [9] The Lord preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.

Isaiah 51:14 KJV
[14] The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, and that he should not die in the pit, nor that his bread should fail.
Consider those fallen into a pit; same as Joseph and same as the one Jesus pulled from a pit on the Sabbath.

Isaiah 52:2 KJV
[2] Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.

What is bound upon the necks: heavy burdens the Pharisees loved to place on people, yet they did not loose which was in their power to do so. Obviously, or they would not have been rebuked for not doing so.

One of my favorites : Daniel 3:25 KJV
[25] He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Jesus Christ has loosed us from the Law and has set us free.
He has pulled us from the pit.
The New covenant, the colt that had never been ridden, is brought in alongside Jesus Christ on his first appearance as King(having Salvation), coming into Jerusalem.

Matthew 16:18-19 KJV
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Now consider the command Jesus gave concerning the ass and colt: Loose them: "The Lord hath need of them."

Luke 13:12 KJV
[12] And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him , and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.

Luke 1:64 KJV
[64] And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed , and he spake, and praised God.

Luke 13:16 KJV
[16] And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

Mark 7:35 KJV
[35] And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.

Matthew 13:30 KJV
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. The wheat is gathered into His barn.

HIS is the barn we should be filling with treasure.
Not our own barn.



We are bound to Christ (NT) and loosed from the OT.

VictoryinJesus said:

Zechariah 9:9 KJV
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Which is it? Upon an ass or upon a colt (the foal of an ass)?

Way back in Genesis 49:11-12 the Lord shows us what He has done in preparation for Salvation as He: binds his foal and his ass's colt:
[11] Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: [12] His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

Then as the Lord enters in fulfillment of:
Zechariah 9:9 KJV
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

(Luke 19) "And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out."

(The stones being (Us) those that are His and groaning for Salvation and peace.)

But before Jesus enters:

Mark 11:4-7 KJV
[4] And they went their way, and found the colt tied by the door without in a place where two ways met; and they loose him.
They found the colt tied by a door without: a place where two ways met. The Old Covenant and the New Covenant. (The mosaic Law and Grace)...and they loose; scripture tells us...the Colt. Remember the ass and the colt of an ass were tied to vine and the choice vine in Genesis. And here is the Messiah Loosening them and bringing them into the city.

[5] And certain of them that stood there said unto them, What do ye, loosing the colt? [6] And they said unto them even as Jesus had commanded: and they let them go. [7] And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.

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wow, i don't get this at all, yet it is obviously pertinent lol. hafta sleep on this one, ty.

Miss Hepburn said:

If I hang onto an offense to me ...in Heaven I will be hanging onto to it, still,
thus, be burdened by
this thing I have not let go of? (in Heaven?)

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imo this is not possible, but i think everything else in this post is a great, one great example.

tabletalk said:

You said: "To forgive someone is to forgive ourselves for not forgiving."
Can you explain this statement from a Biblical perspective?
I don't see "forgive ourselves" as a command from God.
I agree that when you were "..able to forgive my father, which liberated me." ; that is freedom.

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I have not searched the bible for "forgive ourselves" and it most probably won't be found. It basically refers to being forgiven (by God) if we forgive. It is our part to forgive to be forgiven.

Here is another way of saying what I said: To forgive others is to forgive ourselves for having to forgive. In other words, it was our conditional ego-self which judged unforgiveness. This judgement was made from self-will, and not be God's will. By forgiving others, we loosen our own shackles of untruthfulness, fear, resentments, and binding tensions. We reverse what we have created for ourselves which was unforgiveness.

Luke 6:37-40 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." 39. He also told them this parable: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40. The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.

James 4:11-12 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you, who are you to judge your neighbor?

So the idea is to forgive what we ourselves had not forgiven.

Invisibilis said:

I have not searched the bible for "forgive ourselves" and it most probably won't be found.

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Ecclesiastes 4
4I saw that all labor and all skillful work is due to a man’s jealousy of his friend.d This too is futile and a pursuit of the wind.e

5The fool folds his armsf

and consumes his own flesh.g

6Better one handful with rest

than two handfuls with effort and a pursuit of the wind.h

possibly, although this is hard to extract.

Imo forgiving self is huge, although i guess it isn't put that way in Scripture? Not forgiving yourself would be essentially refusing to accept Christ, in a sense, refusing to accept forgiveness...hmm, how else might one describe it? Conscience, i guess; hafta meditate on this one

bbyrd009 said:

wow, i don't get this at all, yet it is obviously pertinent lol. hafta sleep on this one, ty.

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It's okay. Sometimes I don't get it either. "Bind and loose" is a tough topic.

VictoryinJesus said:

It's okay. Sometimes I don't get it either. "Bind and loose" is a tough topic.

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ya, it seems really straightforward; imo it is the "here=in heaven" part that is weird. i might have something actually pertinent to say tomorrow here

Miss Hepburn said:

because I want to hang out in my
reveling in misery, guilt and shame."

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zing