God Changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship To Sunday Sabbath

Jun2u · Nov 20, 2017

buddyt said:
Reading John 19:30 tells us Jesus was still teaching right up until he passed. He concord Death at this. Not that his time here was finished but that death had been concord. We can now REST knowing he has provided the way.

By your response I don’t think you got the gist of Hebrews 9:16-17. When you say concord, all you were doing is agreeing to the import of Hebrews 9 above.

You elected not to answer my question. I don’t see why not?

Perhaps another scripture will make you better understand the term “It is finished?”

Hebrews 9:22 reads:
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

To shed blood means a person have to die for the remission to be effective. In other words, Jesus couldn’t say “It is finished” while still alive.

Yes now we can REST because He went and redeemed us by His blood. Amen

To God Be The Glory

Jun2u · Nov 20, 2017

liafailrock said:
Maybe explain more precisely what you are getting at? Jesus said three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Even if you want to consider that from the time of his death rather than burial, we are only mincing over a few hours. He both died and was buried near sundown thus 72 hours later he would raise again (3 days and 3 nights later) meaning his resurrection occurred the same time of the day in the evening as the sun was setting. No need to make it more complicated or spiritual than that. The 3 days was a sign he was Messiah so that is something one can clearly count out.

I don’t understand why you say I have to explain more precisely what I’m getting at! Is the OP not precise enough?

I’ll tell you what the problem is. None of you four or five intellects here have really addressed the OP. Most of the discussions have been about the three days and nights of the crucifixion, which really have nothing to do with the OP.

None of you have addressed the spiritual aspect of the Seventh Day Sabbath. Have all of you succumbed to the idea there is no spiritual aspect in the Seventh Day Sabbath? Do any of you know why the punishment of death is so great as to pick up sticks (just by picking up sticks???) on the Sabbath? Do you see any spiritual consequences in the picking up of sticks on the Sabbath? Perhaps the important thing to ask, is there really a spiritual aspect in the Seventh Day Sabbath?

Another problem most people have is they do not concentrate on the topic of the OP, and many will answer those excerpts they think they have knowledge of.

I’m sure there are more things that can be said about the Seventh Day Sabbath, but the few above will suffice.

I will now give you the commentary concerning the context of the Seventh Day Sabbath, which is found in Hebrews 4. There is really nothing mysterious about it but be like the Bereans who searched the scriptures if the thing is true.

Perhaps after reading Hebrews 4 again we can reason together, and discuss Matthew 28:1??

To God Be The Glory

101G · Nov 20, 2017

Jun2u said:
I don’t understand why you say I have to explain more precisely what I’m getting at! Is the OP not precise enough?

I’ll tell you what the problem is. None of you four or five intellects here have really addressed the OP. Most of the discussions have been about the three days and nights of the crucifixion, which really have nothing to do with the OP.

None of you have addressed the spiritual aspect of the Seventh Day Sabbath. Have all of you succumbed to the idea there is no spiritual aspect in the Seventh Day Sabbath? Do any of you know why the punishment of death is so great as to pick up sticks (just by picking up sticks???) on the Sabbath? Do you see any spiritual consequences in the picking up of sticks on the Sabbath? Perhaps the important thing to ask, is there really a spiritual aspect in the Seventh Day Sabbath?

Another problem most people have is they do not concentrate on the topic of the OP, and many will answer those excerpts they think they have knowledge of.

I’m sure there are more things that can be said about the Seventh Day Sabbath, but the few above will suffice.

I will now give you the commentary concerning the context of the Seventh Day Sabbath, which is found in Hebrews 4. There is really nothing mysterious about it but be like the Bereans who searched the scriptures if the thing is true.

Perhaps after reading Hebrews 4 again we can reason together, and discuss Matthew 28:1??

To God Be The Glory

@Jun2u, was not the seventh day Sabbath for man?. but is not the covenant the 8th day?.

Jun2u · Nov 20, 2017

101G said:
@Jun2u, was not the seventh day Sabbath for man?. but is not the covenant the 8th day?.

Yes it is. But what is the reason?

I only know of one covenant. Please elaborate the 8th day covenant.

101G · Nov 20, 2017

Jun2u said:
I only know of one covenant. Please elaborate the 8th day covenant.

Genesis 17:9-14 "And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant". and this covenant was before Moses and the Law. this covenant was to be kept by Abraham and his seed, not seeds, as in many, no, one Jesus Christ in their generations. listen, Galatians 3:14 "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise". but was this covenant spiritual? yes, even in the OT. listen, Deuteronomy 10:15-16 "Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day. Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked". so the covenant is spiritual. Hebrews 4:9-11 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief". was the Lord Jesus who is the Eight King was Circumcise on the eight day? Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb".

liafailrock · Nov 20, 2017

Jun2u said:
I don’t understand why you say I have to explain more precisely what I’m getting at! Is the OP not precise enough?

I’ll tell you what the problem is. None of you four or five intellects here have really addressed the OP. Most of the discussions have been about the three days and nights of the crucifixion, which really have nothing to do with the OP.

None of you have addressed the spiritual aspect of the Seventh Day Sabbath. Have all of you succumbed to the idea there is no spiritual aspect in the Seventh Day Sabbath? Do any of you know why the punishment of death is so great as to pick up sticks (just by picking up sticks???) on the Sabbath? Do you see any spiritual consequences in the picking up of sticks on the Sabbath? Perhaps the important thing to ask, is there really a spiritual aspect in the Seventh Day Sabbath?

Another problem most people have is they do not concentrate on the topic of the OP, and many will answer those excerpts they think they have knowledge of.

I’m sure there are more things that can be said about the Seventh Day Sabbath, but the few above will suffice.

I will now give you the commentary concerning the context of the Seventh Day Sabbath, which is found in Hebrews 4. There is really nothing mysterious about it but be like the Bereans who searched the scriptures if the thing is true.

Perhaps after reading Hebrews 4 again we can reason together, and discuss Matthew 28:1??

To God Be The Glory

I thought I did address a spiritual aspect (foreshadowing) of the Sabbath in my second post. I'm not saying that there is none. I'm saying that the day itself that it represents has not changed, nor is there anything in the bible that clearly says that it has. The Sabbath also looks forward to the millennium, the Kingdom of God. But that's just the start. If you want to go into 8 day stuff, I would look beyond to a new heaven and new earth. Start with the Great White Throne Judgment and the 8th day of that Tabernacles feast, which, BTW is really a separate day and Sabbath in and of itself. That hasn't happened yet. The church and "new" covenant now is just the firstfruits of God's salvation, a special group to rule and reign with Christ to teach and rule the world in the millennium. There's salvation of a greater number of people then. And lastly there's the greatest harvest on that Last Great Day. That's when many will be called for the first time. Time-wise and calendar-wise the Sabbath has its place, and there's 8th day festivals that have their place which were never intended to replace the Sabbath on a weekly basis. That's just the feasts and Sabbaths the Lord gave in Leviticus 23 for starters.

As for the "Sabbaths" you mentioned in the OP, that means two transpired between death and resurrection, i.e. the Unleavened Bread Sabbath on Thursday and the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. This is not cryptic to change them.

Jun2u · Nov 20, 2017

101G said:
Genesis 17:9-14 "And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant". and this covenant was before Moses and the Law. this covenant was to be kept by Abraham and his seed, not seeds, as in many, no, one Jesus Christ in their generations. listen, Galatians 3:14 "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise". but was this covenant spiritual? yes, even in the OT. listen, Deuteronomy 10:15-16 "Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day. Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked". so the covenant is spiritual. Hebrews 4:9-11 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief". was the Lord Jesus who is the Eight King was Circumcise on the eight day? Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb".

All ceremonial laws in the Old Testament have been completed in Jesus, even the outward sign of circumcision. Since you are equating your theory on the 8th day covenant with circumcision, tell me, can you circumcise the foreskin of your heart as commanded? In fact, it is God who will circumcise the foreskin of your heart (Deuteronomy 30:6) another spiritual aspect?

I don’t see how you could connect circumcision, which is a work that we do, as opposed to the REST to the people of God.

Apparently, you have read Hebrews 4 again, as challenged, but the key to understanding is right in your face, yet you couldn’t “see” it. Don’t worry none of us have a perfect understanding of the Bible. All we need is more studying.

To God Be The Glory

buddyt · Nov 21, 2017

Jun2u said:
By your response I don’t think you got the gist of Hebrews 9:16-17. When you say concord, all you were doing is agreeing to the import of Hebrews 9 above.

You elected not to answer my question. I don’t see why not?

Perhaps another scripture will make you better understand the term “It is finished?”

Hebrews 9:22 reads:
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

To shed blood means a person have to die for the remission to be effective. In other words, Jesus couldn’t say “It is finished” while still alive.

Yes now we can REST because He went and redeemed us by His blood. Amen

To God Be The Glory

I do believe I answered your questions. Sorry if you don't understand my answers.

101G · Nov 21, 2017

Jun2u said:
All ceremonial laws in the Old Testament have been completed in Jesus, even the outward sign of circumcision. Since you are equating your theory on the 8th day covenant with circumcision, tell me, can you circumcise the foreskin of your heart as commanded? In fact, it is God who will circumcise the foreskin of your heart (Deuteronomy 30:6) another spiritual aspect?

I don’t see how you could connect circumcision, which is a work that we do, as opposed to the REST to the people of God.

Apparently, you have read Hebrews 4 again, as challenged, but the key to understanding is right in your face, yet you couldn’t “see” it. Don’t worry none of us have a perfect understanding of the Bible. All we need is more studying.

To God Be The Glory

this is simple, do you not have the Holy Spirit?, then it's not you but him who do the work. are you not at rest. if you're in him and he is in you, are YOU working the work or is it the Spirit?. answer the Spirit. this is the whole reason for the out pouring of the Spirit so that we may rest.

Jun2u · Nov 21, 2017

101G said:
this is simple, do you not have the Holy Spirit?, then it's not you but him who do the work. are you not at rest. if you're in him and he is in you, are YOU working the work or is it the Spirit?. answer the Spirit. this is the whole reason for the out pouring of the Spirit so that we may rest.

Simple? What you’ve stated about ‘work and rest’ has nothing to do with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The function of the Holy Spirit is to seal our salvation and to guide us into all truths. And, give us power to send forth the gospel into all the world.

Again, I ask when you have found the context of Hebrews 4 come back and we'll reason together.

In answer to your question, yes! most certainly I have the Holy Spirit, otherwise, no way could I sort out nor understand the things of God in the Bible.

To God Be The Glory

101G · Nov 21, 2017

Jun2u said:
Simple? What you’ve stated about ‘work and rest’ has nothing to do with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The function of the Holy Spirit is to seal our salvation and to guide us into all truths. And, give us power to send forth the gospel into all the world.

Again, I ask when you have found the context of Hebrews 4 come back and we'll reason together.

In answer to your question, yes! most certainly I have the Holy Spirit, otherwise, no way could I sort out nor understand the things of God in the Bible.

To God Be The Glory

may I ask you this, "is it you who live or Christ in you?". and two are you a NEW CREATURE?. not of this world, but born again of the Spirit.

and understand it's not you who sort out or understand the things of God, 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 "But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God".
if, if, one have the Spirit they should be at rest.

Jun2u · Nov 21, 2017

buddyt said:
I do believe I answered your questions. Sorry if you don't understand my answers.

Sorry you have not. I gave you three scriptures why it was impossible for Jesus to utter “It is finished.” Those three scriptures suggests that a person must first be dead for them to be in effect, yet Jesus was still alive when He said, “It is finished.” That can only mean Jesus died prior to the cross!

Sure enough, we read, “Jesus is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.”

To God Be The Glory

Jun2u · Nov 21, 2017

101G said:
may I ask you this, "is it you who live or Christ in you?". and two are you a NEW CREATURE?. not of this world, but born again of the Spirit.

and understand it's not you who sort out or understand the things of God, 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 "But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God".
if, if, one have the Spirit they should be at rest.

What a silly question and statement to make!!!

What part of the first paragraph in post #50 did you not understand? Isn’t
1 Corinthians 2:10-11 included in what I've stated?

Gathering from your question and statement, you don’t really understand the meaning of being born again, although you think you have the answer in John 3. You must look elsewhere in Scripture to get the meaning how a person can become born again.

You said: if, if, one have the Spirit they should be at rest.

Of course, how else can one become born again without the Spirit?

The big problem is “if” if one is born again, that is. Do you know how many “ifs” there are in Scripture?

Again I implore you to look into Hebrews 4. I could reveal the spiritual meaning but I want every Christian to study for themselves, and just not have someone hand it down to them in a silver platter. This is one of many reasons why people go astray is because they rely on commentaries without the benefit of studying for themselves. Don’t get me wrong. Commentaries are a help if the writer is faithful to the word of God. Commentaries, though may seem holy, and a label before or after the writer’s name at best his work is still tainted by sin.

To God Be The Glory

101G · Nov 21, 2017

Jun2u said:
What a silly question and statement to make!!!

What part of the first paragraph in post #50 did you not understand? Isn’t
1 Corinthians 2:10-11 included in what I've stated?

Gathering from your question and statement, you don’t really understand the meaning of being born again, although you think you have the answer in John 3. You must look elsewhere in Scripture to get the meaning how a person can become born again.

You said: if, if, one have the Spirit they should be at rest.

Of course, how else can one become born again without the Spirit?

The big problem is “if” if one is born again, that is. Do you know how many “ifs” there are in Scripture?

Again I implore you to look into Hebrews 4. I could reveal the spiritual meaning but I want every Christian to study for themselves, and just not have someone hand it down to them in a silver platter. This is one of many reasons why people go astray is because they rely on commentaries without the benefit of studying for themselves. Don’t get me wrong. Commentaries are a help if the writer is faithful to the word of God. Commentaries, though may seem holy, and a label before or after the writer’s name at best his work is still tainted by sin.

To God Be The Glory

no it's a simple question. it fit Hebrews 4 correctly. since you're in the Holy Spirit, then you're at rest. unless you're still in the flesh, and not born again

Jun2u · Nov 21, 2017

101G said:
no it's a simple question. it fit Hebrews 4 correctly. since you're in the Holy Spirit, then you're at rest. unless you're still in the flesh, and not born again

Sorry no. You are making a general statement not specific to the OP. You should have quoted instead 1Corinthians 1:13-14:

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

To God Be The Glory

101G · Nov 21, 2017

don't be sorry, grasp the understanding of the Spirit. 1Corinthians 1:13-14 is a good one but, Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding". one in the Spirit is at rest.

Jun2u · Nov 21, 2017

liafailrock said:
I thought I did address a spiritual aspect (foreshadowing) of the Sabbath in my second post. I'm not saying there is none.

You probably had but only in passing not enough to concur if there is really or not a spiritual aspect.

liafailrock said:
I'm saying that the day itself that it represents has not changed, nor is there anything in the bible that clearly says that it has.

What part of the phrase, “at the end of the Sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths” did you not understand? What this phrase is actually conveying is that there is an era of Sabbaths (Seventh Day is in view) that is coming to an end, and a new era of Sabbaths (Sunday is in view) is dawning / emerging in the horizon, as the first of the Sabbaths is beginning. The language is so plain does it really need to be spelled out that there is a transition from Saturday to Sunday Sabbath?

liafailrock said:
The Sabbath also looks forward to the millennium, the Kingdom of God.

This is where the rubber meets the road. I don’t know where the millennium is taught in scripture although it is well taught outside of the Bible.

Except for the moral laws the Ten Commandments, all the ceremonial laws including those in Leviticus, have been fulfilled and completed in Jesus.

liafailrock said:
As for the "Sabbaths" you mentioned in the OP, that means two transpired between death and resurrection, i.e. the Unleavened Bread Sabbath on Thursday and the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. This is not cryptic to change them.

I did not say that. Please don’t misquote me. Although I knew there was a “high holy day” during the crucifixion week and that it fell on a day prior to the Sabbath, I had forgotten to mention it and I also knew the bodies of the two thieves and Jesus had to be taken down before sundown that day. To hasten their deaths, their bones had to be broken, but when the soldiers came to Jesus He was already dead to fulfill the prophecy in Psalms that not a bone in His body would be broken.

To God Be The Glory

liafailrock · Nov 21, 2017

Jun2u said:
What part of the phrase, “at the end of the Sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths” did you not understand? What this phrase is actually conveying is that there is an era of Sabbaths (Seventh Day is in view) that is coming to an end, and a new era of Sabbaths (Sunday is in view) is dawning / emerging in the horizon, as the first of the Sabbaths is beginning. The language is so plain does it really need to be spelled out that there is a transition from Saturday to Sunday Sabbath?

Well, it's not that I don't understand that, if that is what it's saying. But I don't believe the Greek text is saying that at all, and its your rendition of it to prove your point about changing the Sabbath day. Before I read this post of yours, I was doing some study on the Greek word Sabbaton and it can apply to either the Sabbath or a week. It depends on the context. So even that one fact alone makes it a dangerous thing to base a doctrine off of something that has the potential to mean something else. SO then after looking this up and finding this post of yours, I found one of many similar articles that explains the word:

“Sabbath” or “Week”? When Words Mean More Than One Thing | Jason Staples

On the bright side, tho, at least you revere the 4th commandment despite believing its a different day. I get flack from Christians how I'm following the Law just because I love the Sabbath while they believe in the other 9 commandments. It's all or none, tho. So then Christians spiritualize it by claiming it's the meaning that's important, and not the day. However, if that were the case, I would expect some Christians to gather Wednesday, Some Friday, some Tuesday and yes, some even Sunday. But I do not observe that, so I must then conclude that the day is important, albeit not the seventh day.

Jun2u · Nov 22, 2017

liafailrock said:
Well, it's not that I don't understand that, if that is what it's saying. But I don't believe the Greek text is saying that at all, and its your rendition of it to prove your point about changing the Sabbath day. Before I read this post of yours, I was doing some study on the Greek word Sabbaton and it can apply to either the Sabbath or a week. It depends on the context. So even that one fact alone makes it a dangerous thing to base a doctrine off of something that has the potential to mean something else. SO then after looking this up and finding this post of yours, I found one of many similar articles that explains the word:

“Sabbath” or “Week”? When Words Mean More Than One Thing | Jason Staples

On the bright side, tho, at least you revere the 4th commandment despite believing its a different day. I get flack from Christians how I'm following the Law just because I love the Sabbath while they believe in the other 9 commandments. It's all or none, tho. So then Christians spiritualize it by claiming it's the meaning that's important, and not the day. However, if that were the case, I would expect some Christians to gather Wednesday, Some Friday, some Tuesday and yes, some even Sunday. But I do not observe that, so I must then conclude that the day is important, albeit not the seventh day.

I’ve read Staples' article, and on the onset, I would like to say I do not read commentaries for the simple reason commentaries although they may seem holy, and even if there are labels before or after their names, their work at best is still tainted by sin. Unless of course if their work is faithful to the Bible. Commentaries are a help because no one has a perfect understanding of Scriptures. I read Staples' article for your sake.

Staple’s article understood the main purpose of the Seventh Day Sabbath just as I’ve indicated in the OP. I guess every commentary out there agrees with each other’s work on the matter, but it still amazes me how learned individuals can miss the gist of Matthew 28:1. I can only surmise they have been led astray by the word “day” and by the word “week” to which if understood, both words are omitted from the original manuscripts.

If indeed the word “Sabbaths” can be translated / mean as “week” as suggested, then I could argue that Matthew 28 can also be understood / read this way: “At the end of the week, as it began to dawn toward the first of the week...” Does this make sense? It will only make sense if the word is Sabbaths because now we can say which ‘Sabbaths’ is in view as opposed to which ‘week’ is in view, and we know there is only one Sabbath that is spoken of in the Old Testament.

Staple’s analogy of the word “beat” cannot be compared with the word Sabbath. For instance, the word Sabbath cannot mean week! They are entirely different words and meaning. God created every species after its kind, likewise, He created words after its own kind also. The Bible is its own interpreter and dictionary! For example, you see a stray dog and you beckon to it saying, “here Kitty, Kitty. Does this make sense? No you say, that’s ridiculous! So is taking the word “Sabbath” and make it to mean as “week.”

As a reminder, the word “day” in the KJV is italicized meaning the translators are warning the reader it is not in the original manuscripts, and the word “week” is the same identical word “Sabbaths.”

To God Be The Glory

liafailrock · Nov 22, 2017

Jun2u said:
I’ve read Staples' article, and on the onset, I would like to say I do not read commentaries for the simple reason commentaries although they may seem holy, and even if there are labels before or after their names, their work at best is still tainted by sin. Unless of course if their work is faithful to the Bible. Commentaries are a help because no one has a perfect understanding of Scriptures. I read Staples' article for your sake.

Staple’s article understood the main purpose of the Seventh Day Sabbath just as I’ve indicated in the OP. I guess every commentary out there agrees with each other’s work on the matter, but it still amazes me how learned individuals can miss the gist of Matthew 28:1. I can only surmise they have been led astray by the word “day” and by the word “week” to which if understood, both words are omitted from the original manuscripts.

If indeed the word “Sabbaths” can be translated / mean as “week” as suggested, then I could argue that Matthew 28 can also be understood / read this way: “At the end of the week, as it began to dawn toward the first of the week...” Does this make sense? It will only make sense if the word is Sabbaths because now we can say which ‘Sabbaths’ is in view as opposed to which ‘week’ is in view, and we know there is only one Sabbath that is spoken of in the Old Testament.

Staple’s analogy of the word “beat” cannot be compared with the word Sabbath. For instance, the word Sabbath cannot mean week! They are entirely different words and meaning. God created every species after its kind, likewise, He created words after its own kind also. The Bible is its own interpreter and dictionary! For example, you see a stray dog and you beckon to it saying, “here Kitty, Kitty. Does this make sense? No you say, that’s ridiculous! So is taking the word “Sabbath” and make it to mean as “week.”

As a reminder, the word “day” in the KJV is italicized meaning the translators are warning the reader it is not in the original manuscripts, and the word “week” is the same identical word “Sabbaths.”

To God Be The Glory

But it's the Greek language. If they sometimes used Sabbaton for "week" depending on the context, Then that opens the possibility that the traditional translations are correct because it's in the realm of possibility that an ancient Greek speaker would say and use the very same phrase to say what is presently translated. To test one's hypothesis, one has to look at the opposing view. If there was no way that an ancient Greek speaker would talk that way, then you'd have a point. But it's in the realm of possibility. Therefore in and of itself is at best inconclusive. Just the Sir Isaac Newton in me. LOL

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