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101G
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ERROR, did you not read Nehemiah 9:7- 12 guess not your lost."Angel" and "Angel of the Lord" are used interchangeably.
Sometimes we miss things in the Bible, though they are right in front of us. Some of our Protestant brethren (mainly Calvinists but some other denominations as well) have an almost obsessive fear of any image associated with worship at all, thinking that all such manifestations are examples of idolatry and undue exaltation of a “graven image”. This has led some fanatical elements to oppose even crucifixes and statues of Christ as idols. In other words, all images whatsoever are collapsed in this wrongheaded mentality into the category of the “graven image” in the Ten Commandments. But the Bible doesn’t take this view at all. Here is one striking example:
Exodus 33:8-10
It’s also a supernatural manifestation, which is a major difference compared to any true idol made by the hands of men; but that would make no difference for those who mistakenly hold that any image whatsoever associated with God is impermissible. The problem comes when God Himself expressly sanctions such images, and worship in conjunction with them, as here.
The same iconoclasts (opposers of images) have to explain away things like the burning bush (Ex 3:2-6), which is not only fire, but also called an “angel of the Lord” (Ex 3:2), yet also “God” (3:4, 6, 11, 13-16, 18; 4:5, 7-8) and “the LORD” (3:7, 16, 18; 4:2, 4-6, 10-11, 14) interchangeably. An angel is a creation (as is fire and cloud); yet God chose to use a created being and inanimate objects to visibly represent Him. Several similar instances occur in the Old Testament. Moreover, the Jews “worshiped” fire as representative of God in the following passage:
2 Chronicles 7:1-4
101G
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Fact #3. The ARM of God, or the ARM of the Holy Spirit, is Jesus the Christ, God himself
The Arm of God in the OT .is the Spirit/God without flesh.
Deuteronomy 26:8 "And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders”. Psalms 44:3 "For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them”. Psalms 98:1 "A Psalm. O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory”. Isaiah 63:12 "That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?”.
Question time: did anyone see God directly delivering the people? it was his POWER that did the delivering thru, or in people, or other creations. No one could actually see God./Jesus/the Holy Spirit. Not in the OT. But could we see the ARM of God in the NT delivering people? Yes, John 12:37-38 "But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?”. where in Isaiah was this written? Isaiah 53:1-4 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted”. here we have a direct quote, but with one big difference. Is the ARM of the Lord, or the arm of the LORD (all caps). Read again, John 12:37-38 and Isaiah 53:1-4. but we know that the ARM is the Lord Jesus who is God the Holy Spirit in flesh. Isaiah 52:10 "The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God”. his ARM, the LORD’S, all caps, is the saviour. for God ARM save. Let’s back this up, Luke 3:6 "And all flesh shall see the salvation of God”. are we sure that this is the Lord Jesus? Isaiah 40:10 "Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him”. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". so who is the Lord God? Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done”. we know that this is the Lord Jesus from, (Revelation 22:16). knowing that the Lord Jesus is the Lord God of the OT, is he the ONLY God of the OT. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”. the ARM of God is God himself. and his ARM is his POWER to deliver/save. In the OT God delivered his people from Physical bondage, but in the NT he will do it from Spiritual bondage. And he’s going to do it for all to see. He will demonstrate his power for all eyes to see. The question, how do one demonstrate any power? By might?. Let’s get an example of this might in the ARM, from a physical point of view. OT, Sennacherib king of Assyria came, and entered into Judah, and fought against it. What did he have with him in order to fight, let’s see king Hezekiah said after a talk with the Lord. 2 Chronicles 32:6-8 "And he set captains of war over the people, and gathered them together to him in the street of the gate of the city, and spake comfortably to them, saying, Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah”. an “ARM” of flesh? yes, Sennacherib king of Assyria, his power, was in his Military, men of flesh. God power was in his anointed one, his “OWN” ARM a man of flesh, (an army of one), the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus is GOD in FLESH, God OWN ARM who SAVES. and the Lord Jesus is the POWER and the WISDOM who saves, (see 1 Corinthians 1:24).
the Lord Jesus is the God in the OT without flesh delivering his people, and he's the same God in the NT with Flesh, delivering saving his people, same one, same Person. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever", Hebrews 13:8.
The Arm of God in the OT .is the Spirit/God without flesh.
Deuteronomy 26:8 "And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders”. Psalms 44:3 "For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them”. Psalms 98:1 "A Psalm. O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory”. Isaiah 63:12 "That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?”.
Question time: did anyone see God directly delivering the people? it was his POWER that did the delivering thru, or in people, or other creations. No one could actually see God./Jesus/the Holy Spirit. Not in the OT. But could we see the ARM of God in the NT delivering people? Yes, John 12:37-38 "But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?”. where in Isaiah was this written? Isaiah 53:1-4 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted”. here we have a direct quote, but with one big difference. Is the ARM of the Lord, or the arm of the LORD (all caps). Read again, John 12:37-38 and Isaiah 53:1-4. but we know that the ARM is the Lord Jesus who is God the Holy Spirit in flesh. Isaiah 52:10 "The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God”. his ARM, the LORD’S, all caps, is the saviour. for God ARM save. Let’s back this up, Luke 3:6 "And all flesh shall see the salvation of God”. are we sure that this is the Lord Jesus? Isaiah 40:10 "Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him”. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". so who is the Lord God? Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done”. we know that this is the Lord Jesus from, (Revelation 22:16). knowing that the Lord Jesus is the Lord God of the OT, is he the ONLY God of the OT. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”. the ARM of God is God himself. and his ARM is his POWER to deliver/save. In the OT God delivered his people from Physical bondage, but in the NT he will do it from Spiritual bondage. And he’s going to do it for all to see. He will demonstrate his power for all eyes to see. The question, how do one demonstrate any power? By might?. Let’s get an example of this might in the ARM, from a physical point of view. OT, Sennacherib king of Assyria came, and entered into Judah, and fought against it. What did he have with him in order to fight, let’s see king Hezekiah said after a talk with the Lord. 2 Chronicles 32:6-8 "And he set captains of war over the people, and gathered them together to him in the street of the gate of the city, and spake comfortably to them, saying, Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah”. an “ARM” of flesh? yes, Sennacherib king of Assyria, his power, was in his Military, men of flesh. God power was in his anointed one, his “OWN” ARM a man of flesh, (an army of one), the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus is GOD in FLESH, God OWN ARM who SAVES. and the Lord Jesus is the POWER and the WISDOM who saves, (see 1 Corinthians 1:24).
the Lord Jesus is the God in the OT without flesh delivering his people, and he's the same God in the NT with Flesh, delivering saving his people, same one, same Person. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever", Hebrews 13:8.
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