their seems to be some misuderstanding on which churches practice close or some times called closed communion .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_communion----------------------------------------------------------------------also about holy communion what different churches teach is also found herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist
close or closed communion
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I'm not at all confused about it. We allow anyone who is born again to participate, whether they are members of our particular group or not. If they are our brothers and sisters in Christ, why exclude them? It is not for unbelievers.
why exclude a christian from Holy communion ?it would depends if the elements have been consecreated by the word of God or not. If it is a church that does not consecreate the elements with the word and promises of God Than it would just be a rememberance meal and they could invite every Christian But if it is a church that consecrates the elements with the word and promises of God than people can become sick or perhaps do die if they take holy communion with out recognizing the body and blood of Jesus is truly there .Thats why these churces exclude Christians who's churches may not teach what the bible say's about that or consecrate the elements with the unfailing word and promises of God .for instance do any of us realy know why that christian person we read in the paper about ,died last saturday after a slight illness? was it a sin of the church for letting some one commune that did not understand in that church the sacrament of the alter had been instituted by The word and promise of Christ and Jesus himself was truly there. for where his body and blood shed for us on the cross is he also truly is there offering his forgivness but this time in His holy supper only for those who believe.is Gods warning those who do not believe his Son is there with his body and blood to believ or stay away to be taken as a idle threat as if God is powerless?now churches who do not consecrate the elements with Gods unfailing word and promises would have not any worry . Because there lords supper is just a rememberance meal just as "they claim". but other lords supper celebrations are not . Not because they say so But because they use Gods unfailing bible word and bible promises to consecrate the elements.is Jesus just a legend or is he the Lord.http://www.issuesetc.org/resource/archives/maier4.htm
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why exclude a christian from Holy communion ?
I don't know, but some do exclude anyone who isn't a member of their church. Of course, all born again believers are a part of one universal Church that Jesus started. Therefore we shouldn't exclude anyone who proclaims to be born again. Let God do the judging as to who is worthy. We can't know anyone's heart.
why exclude a christian from Holy communion ?
I don't know, but some do exclude anyone who isn't a member of their church. Of course, all born again believers are a part of one universal Church that Jesus started. Therefore we shouldn't exclude anyone who proclaims to be born again. Let God do the judging as to who is worthy. We can't know anyone's heart.
Had a little trouble with this when becoming Catholic. Our communion is closed. Why refuse Jesus body to anyone if, as we say, it is a benefit for their soul?For me the answer came (from a Sister) in that a person is not just receiving, it is not a passive act. In our Church they would be standing and saying "Amen" when they receive, which is affirming by action that they at least outwardly appear to all observing that they believe as we do by those words. Since it is a given that many non-Catholics do not believe as we do, the act itself would be representing a lie to everyone else (that they do indeed believe as we do) even if the individual did not understand/intend to be lying. Their consent is implied whey they say "AMEN" before receiving. It would be on those grounds that a Priest would right to announce, as they sometimes do at funerals, that the communion being offered is not open. The same issue applies to Catholics who publicly admit that they oppose the Church in matters of doctrine/faith/truth. It would be a lie, a grave sin, for such a person to behave like they do not oppose the Church by receiving. Receiving communion is a community act of unification. One cannot process unity in that act while publicly proclaiming one is not united with the Church.That was easier for me to accept than why it would now be wrong for me to accept communion at my former Church with my parents. What could be the harm in that? Again the same answer, but in reverse. If I am to believe as we do regarding the Bread of Life, then at the very least my defense of that (and explanation of why my parents can't receive in our Churc) is severly weakened. I cannot have it both means. The act either has the real meaning I say it does or it does not. My pretending to be in full "fellowship" with my parents Church when clearly I am not is a lie, and as such a sin for me.
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Had a little trouble with this when becoming Catholic. Our communion is closed. Why refuse Jesus body to anyone if, as we say, it is a benefit for their soul?For me the answer came (from a Sister) in that a person is not just receiving, it is not a passive act. In our Church they would be standing and saying "Amen" when they receive, which is affirming by action that they at least outwardly appear to all observing that they believe as we do by those words. Since it is a given that many non-Catholics do not believe as we do, the act itself would be representing a lie to everyone else (that they do indeed believe as we do) even if the individual did not understand/intend to be lying. Their consent is implied whey they say "AMEN" before receiving. It would be on those grounds that a Priest would right to announce, as they sometimes do at funerals, that the communion being offered is not open. The same issue applies to Catholics who publicly admit that they oppose the Church in matters of doctrine/faith/truth. It would be a lie, a grave sin, for such a person to behave like they do not oppose the Church by receiving. Receiving communion is a community act of unification. One cannot process unity in that act while publicly proclaiming one is not united with the Church.That was easier for me to accept than why it would now be wrong for me to accept communion at my former Church with my parents. What could be the harm in that? Again the same answer, but in reverse. If I am to believe as we do regarding the Bread of Life, then at the very least my defense of that (and explanation of why my parents can't receive in our Churc) is severly weakened. I cannot have it both means. The act either has the real meaning I say it does or it does not. My pretending to be in full "fellowship" with my parents Church when clearly I am not is a lie, and as such a sin for me.
I believe in the real presents of Gods body and blood in holy communion.same as the old catholic church once taught But i do not believe in the new papal teaching that it is a re sacrifice of it.read hebrews chapter ten that Jesus sacrice is once and for all.and next time you take holy Communion Remmeber that is the same blood that he shed on the cross of calvary for all. But this time (holy communion) it is meant only for his believers.1 Corinthians 11:27-29
Had a little trouble with this when becoming Catholic. Our communion is closed. Why refuse Jesus body to anyone if, as we say, it is a benefit for their soul?For me the answer came (from a Sister) in that a person is not just receiving, it is not a passive act. In our Church they would be standing and saying "Amen" when they receive, which is affirming by action that they at least outwardly appear to all observing that they believe as we do by those words. Since it is a given that many non-Catholics do not believe as we do, the act itself would be representing a lie to everyone else (that they do indeed believe as we do) even if the individual did not understand/intend to be lying. Their consent is implied whey they say "AMEN" before receiving. It would be on those grounds that a Priest would right to announce, as they sometimes do at funerals, that the communion being offered is not open. The same issue applies to Catholics who publicly admit that they oppose the Church in matters of doctrine/faith/truth. It would be a lie, a grave sin, for such a person to behave like they do not oppose the Church by receiving. Receiving communion is a community act of unification. One cannot process unity in that act while publicly proclaiming one is not united with the Church.That was easier for me to accept than why it would now be wrong for me to accept communion at my former Church with my parents. What could be the harm in that? Again the same answer, but in reverse. If I am to believe as we do regarding the Bread of Life, then at the very least my defense of that (and explanation of why my parents can't receive in our Churc) is severly weakened. I cannot have it both means. The act either has the real meaning I say it does or it does not. My pretending to be in full "fellowship" with my parents Church when clearly I am not is a lie, and as such a sin for me.
I believe in the real presents of Gods body and blood in holy communion.same as the old catholic church once taught But i do not believe in the new papal teaching that it is a re sacrifice of it.read hebrews chapter ten that Jesus sacrice is once and for all.and next time you take holy Communion Remmeber that is the same blood that he shed on the cross of calvary for all. But this time (holy communion) it is meant only for his believers.1 Corinthians 11:27-29
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I believe in the real presents of Gods body and blood in holy communion.same as the old catholic church once taught But i do not believe in the new papal teaching that it is a re sacrifice of it.read hebrews chapter ten that Jesus sacrice is once and for all.and next time you take holy Communion Remmeber that is the same blood that he shed on the cross of calvary for all. But this time (holy communion) it is meant only for his believers.1 Corinthians 11:27-29
What do you mean "the new papal teaching that it is a re sacrifice of it"?The Mass is NOT a re-sacrifice, it is making present to us the one sacrifice of Christ. It is a re-presentation of the one sacrifice not a re-sacrifice.Some quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church to make this point clear.1362 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ's Passover, the making present and the sacramental offering of his unique sacrifice, in the liturgy of the Church which is his Body. In all the Eucharistic Prayers we find after the words of institution a prayer called the anamnesis or memorial.1363 In the sense of Sacred Scripture the memorial is not merely the recollection of past events but the proclamation of the mighty works wrought by God for men. In the liturgical celebration of these events, they become in a certain way present and real. This is how Israel understands its liberation from Egypt: every time Passover is celebrated, the Exodus events are made present to the memory of believers so that they may conform their lives to them.1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit:..............1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." ...............
I believe in the real presents of Gods body and blood in holy communion.same as the old catholic church once taught But i do not believe in the new papal teaching that it is a re sacrifice of it.read hebrews chapter ten that Jesus sacrice is once and for all.and next time you take holy Communion Remmeber that is the same blood that he shed on the cross of calvary for all. But this time (holy communion) it is meant only for his believers.1 Corinthians 11:27-29
What do you mean "the new papal teaching that it is a re sacrifice of it"?The Mass is NOT a re-sacrifice, it is making present to us the one sacrifice of Christ. It is a re-presentation of the one sacrifice not a re-sacrifice.Some quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church to make this point clear.1362 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ's Passover, the making present and the sacramental offering of his unique sacrifice, in the liturgy of the Church which is his Body. In all the Eucharistic Prayers we find after the words of institution a prayer called the anamnesis or memorial.1363 In the sense of Sacred Scripture the memorial is not merely the recollection of past events but the proclamation of the mighty works wrought by God for men. In the liturgical celebration of these events, they become in a certain way present and real. This is how Israel understands its liberation from Egypt: every time Passover is celebrated, the Exodus events are made present to the memory of believers so that they may conform their lives to them.1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit:..............1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." ...............
I don't see communion as having anything at all to do with taking a piece of bread and juice. Communion is eating with others, fellowship, love, worship of God and being together in Christ. Our church does communion with the sacraments, and I take it as a time to thank Jesus for what he has done for me with his final sacrifice, and for giving us this new law, our new covenant. This is how I see it, I really haven't come across anything to steer me in any other direction, I have never seen anything in the Bible to say that I am wrong. I have however found that the Bible supports my view, I have looked into alot of these things that we are told is right by man, and really, they are misrepresented quite often. God Bless
(sevver;36485)
I don't see communion as having anything at all to do with taking a piece of bread and juice. Communion is eating with others, fellowship, love, worship of God and being together in Christ. Our church does communion with the sacraments, and I take it as a time to thank Jesus for what he has done for me with his final sacrifice, and for giving us this new law, our new covenant. This is how I see it, I really haven't come across anything to steer me in any other direction, I have never seen anything in the Bible to say that I am wrong. I have however found that the Bible supports my view, I have looked into alot of these things that we are told is right by man, and really, they are misrepresented quite often. God Bless
Doesn't it have this in your Bible then ?So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; 55for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. 56Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” Jn 6:53-58)Then he took a loaf of bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 20And he did the same with the cup after supper, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood. (Lk 22:19)
I don't see communion as having anything at all to do with taking a piece of bread and juice. Communion is eating with others, fellowship, love, worship of God and being together in Christ. Our church does communion with the sacraments, and I take it as a time to thank Jesus for what he has done for me with his final sacrifice, and for giving us this new law, our new covenant. This is how I see it, I really haven't come across anything to steer me in any other direction, I have never seen anything in the Bible to say that I am wrong. I have however found that the Bible supports my view, I have looked into alot of these things that we are told is right by man, and really, they are misrepresented quite often. God Bless
Doesn't it have this in your Bible then ?So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; 55for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. 56Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” Jn 6:53-58)Then he took a loaf of bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 20And he did the same with the cup after supper, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood. (Lk 22:19)
Thanks, something to seriously ponder... it is nice having a place to challenge, and be challenged. Hopefully I will never presume that I have grown enough.
(sevver;36510)
Thanks, something to seriously ponder... it is nice having a place to challenge, and be challenged. Hopefully I will never presume that I have grown enough.
sevver,I have re-read my post.Please accept my apologies for putting it in such a confrontational way. I tend to do that, but I am trying to reform.winsome
Thanks, something to seriously ponder... it is nice having a place to challenge, and be challenged. Hopefully I will never presume that I have grown enough.
sevver,I have re-read my post.Please accept my apologies for putting it in such a confrontational way. I tend to do that, but I am trying to reform.winsome
(winsome;36517)
sevver,I have re-read my post.Please accept my apologies for putting it in such a confrontational way. I tend to do that, but I am trying to reform.winsome
No problem, I suffer from the same disease. lol
sevver,I have re-read my post.Please accept my apologies for putting it in such a confrontational way. I tend to do that, but I am trying to reform.winsome
No problem, I suffer from the same disease. lol
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