Do you pray in the spirit?

Helen · Dec 9, 2017

@bbyrd009 ...NOT that I agree what she was doing...she was 'out of order'..
Everything in the Spirit is to be done decently and in order...that which she was doing was confusion... probably ...and maybe a " Look at me, aren't I spiritual" play for attention.

Darn, I miss Job

Ally.s.j · Dec 10, 2017

Truth said:
Yes, I understand where you are coming from, there was a woman in our church that would start speaking in tongues, right in the middle of a Sermon, it would get me by surprise every time and totality disrupt the service, and rob me of any understanding I was receiving from the service. and there was never any Interpretation to edify the assembly!

Is your Church teaching on tounges and encouraging people to walk in it? Has your Church asked for anyone who has the gift of iterpreter?

Ally.s.j · Dec 10, 2017

Truth said:
According to Paul she should have kept Silent, who knows what she uttered!

Nonsense. You are teaching a lie. Woman where never told to be quite in Church. Back then in Jewish synagogues. The woman where seperate and shouting to there husbands. Because of that Paul said woman should be quite. Far to many in here saying what they think or heard and talking rubbish. Stop teaching. Look up the teaching scripture in James and stop it. Maybe become more like what you think the woman should do?

bbyrd009 · Dec 10, 2017

gotta go with Truth on that one, personally

"ByGrace" said:
.NOT that I agree what she was doing...she was 'out of order'..

the minnit she went looking for Jesus in a business, yes

Miss Hepburn · Dec 10, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
gotta go with Truth on that one, personally the minnit she went looking for Jesus in a business, yes

i have a hard time following you...who is she and what business? The last post was from Ally...was it in reference to that? I may be showing my cognitive inabilities.

bbyrd009 · Dec 10, 2017

Miss Hepburn said:
who is she and what business?

she is, um...Mrs Saterwhite, and the business was a 501c3 operation lol, a "church"

Miss Hepburn said:
The last post was from Ally...was it in reference to that?

the "gotta go with Truth on that one" part was, yes.

Miss Hepburn said:
I may be showing my cognitive inabilities.

ha no, it is my handicap that you are having to overcome, sorry

Helen · Dec 10, 2017

Miss Hepburn said:
i have a hard time following you...who is she and what business? The last post was from Ally...was it in reference to that? I may be showing my cognitive inabilities.

You and me both girlie LOL

Helen · Dec 10, 2017

Ally.s.j said:
Nonsense. You are teaching a lie. Woman where never told to be quite in Church. Back then in Jewish synagogues. The woman where seperate and shouting to there husbands. Because of that Paul said woman should be quite. Far to many in here saying what they think or heard and talking rubbish. Stop teaching. Look up the teaching scripture in James and stop it. Maybe become more like what you think the woman should do?

I didn't read his post as you did.
I agree she should not have spoken out. There is a time and place for everything..and to spout out in the middle of someone sharing the word is NOT the place for tongues.
Paul said "all things should be done decently and in order." She was "out of order". And should have been told so.
1 Cor 14:32 " and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.."

She was in control of when she uttered her tongue. Just as a word of prophesy is subject to the prophet him or herself...

I believe that was what Truth was saying here...I don't believe he was saying that "women" should be silent..I believe we are beyond that now...and understand the times and seasons, traditions of earlier times.

Just saying...

Truth · Dec 10, 2017

Ally.s.j said:
Is your Church teaching on tounges and encouraging people to walk in it? Has your Church asked for anyone who has the gift of iterpreter?

Thank you for your response, These things took place back in 1985, it would be speculation to answer! I have note attended any church services for at least 10 years. I believe that the speaking in tongues is real! I have not sought after this gift for many years, only two reasons, one Paul calls it the least of the Gifts, two while attending those Churches I found it difficult to go through the physical struggle at the Alter with the Preacher, if you know what I mean.

Truth · Dec 10, 2017

I apologize to all, for posting a persons Name, she was a sweet older woman, long past now, May she be in our Fathers Bossism!

Truth · Dec 10, 2017

"ByGrace" said:
I didn't read his post as you did.
I agree she should not have spoken out. There is a time and place for everything..and to spout out in the middle of someone sharing the word is NOT the place for tongues.
Paul said "all things should be done decently and in order." She was "out of order". And should have been told so.
1 Cor 14:32 " and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.."

She was in control of when she uttered her tongue. Just as a word of prophesy is subject to the prophet him or herself...

I believe that was what Truth was saying here...I don't believe he was saying that "women" should be silent..I believe we are beyond that now...and understand the times and seasons, traditions of earlier times.

Just saying...

Thank you, I never made that statement to say anything about women in church, this sweet older lady, would speak in tongues, and as I said! scare the B out of me, Only because when I concentrate on what is being taught, everything else is outside my attention, and it did irritate me, sorry just one of many flaws.

Helen · Dec 10, 2017

Truth said:
I apologize to all, for posting a persons Name, she was a sweet older woman, long past now, May she be in our Fathers Bossism!

Hey no worries...you are among friends here...( well mostly ha! ) ..we have all met quaint, old, strange, saints in our time.

She is happy now. ✟

amadeus · Dec 10, 2017

Miss Hepburn said:
@Job
I know ur not rejecting God.
I also know that water analogy wasn't a great one...it shouldn't have
been about blaming...rather more about ifs and conditions...if the water this and that, then....same with God if He this and that ...then...
When it's all about you and your own desire. Hard one for me to explain what I mean well, sorry.

Something about praying on tongues...a healer could pray for a person's kidneys to be healed.
But, if they pray in tongues, whispering for no one to hear...the prayer goes past
the mind and is from spirit to spirit..unconsciously to you..and could be asking for their kidneys and all the specific underlying causes, including psychological things to be healed by name...as I see it and have read in different places.

If a person has to make a presentation...he can pray everything goes well.
But, if they prayed in tongues...an example could be instead of going well...it
goes super well on levels the person would never have imagined!

Is it a necessity, no.

I'm writing this as an fyi to anyone reading, we all want to understand this thing
more.
This is my take that has helped me with this gift that kinda just happened to me...I
was dragged to a church at 7 pm on a Thurs ( with a smile, "Ok, I'll go..") and it all just unfolded.

Yes, praying in tongues makes it possible to pray right in spite of seemingly unbelievable circumstances. If we knew what it was we were praying for we might get in our own way because we did not understand God's purpose. Consider Peter:

Why was it that Peter rebuked Jesus when Jesus spoke of his own forthcoming death? [Mark 8:32-33] Peter did not understand. If he really had he might have cried tears for what Jesus was to suffer but shouldn't he also have rejoiced for what the suffering and death of Jesus would accomplish for people?

amadeus · Dec 10, 2017

EndTimeWine said:
I pray everyday in the Spirit, in English, sometime throw in some Italian, or a french word here or there. I always understand what I am saying and what I hear in the Spirit. I do not see the need for indistinguishable babble.

Of course if it were really babble it might be better if you did not go that route especially if you had already moved up from milk to meat.

amadeus · Dec 10, 2017

Ally.s.j said:
Tell how you seperate the nonsesnse from what is legit?

As someone else has already quoted here on this thread:

"To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." John 10:3-5

amadeus · Dec 10, 2017

Frank Lee said:
There's no competition for last place. The servant's place. The place Jesus chose for Himself and for us. ALL I really have to offer is love. The love of God. The gifts that God offers are offered in love. Not in some kind of superior "I know more than you about spiritual things" sort of spirit.

Freely we have received freely we must give. I have nothing to offer except the things God has given to me. He offers to all the same gifts. He is no respecter of persons. He looks at us as we look at our own children. We don't see one as smart or pretty or gifted. We just love them because they are ours.

If God's gifts are refused then those refusing are only depriving themselves. We cannot but speak the things that we've seen and heard. What saith the word? Always a good question.

"...Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee... " Acts 3:6

amadeus · Dec 10, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
"women speaking in congregation" imo, whether it was a guy or not

Unfortunately there is too much of that. That is why there are not many places where a person can really be fed the flesh and blood of Jesus.

bbyrd009 · Dec 11, 2017

amadeus said:
Unfortunately there is too much of that.

mostly from the pulpit, if you ask me, but then i can't help but (silently) condemn someone who has signed a Contract for Jesus, even though i guess i shouldn't do that.

amadeus said:
That is why there are not many places where a person can really be fed the flesh and blood of Jesus.

well, i guess there are, in the wilderness, but who wants to go there, right.
This is where i'm from, below; they don't call it "the hidden church of the holy cross" for nothing, lemme tell ya!

which i note google has exactly one image of lol; all the rest of the images are buildings, hmm

bbyrd009 · Dec 11, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
but who wants to go there, right.

the same thing happens when we shy away from or ignore a certain "thread" suggested in a convo, in favor of taking the convo where we want it to go, i think, too. same spirit in action. so then we debate "who can be lost" rather than "who then, can be saved?"

so then i am compelled to argue against a principle that i frankly agree with: OSAS, which imo is completely true, even though the doctrine is completely whacked lol, in the manner that is no doubt already clear to you i guess.

amadeus · Dec 11, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
mostly from the pulpit, if you ask me, but then i can't help but (silently) condemn someone who has signed a Contract for Jesus, even though i guess i shouldn't do that.

A signed contract may and often does indicate there is a problem as God doesn't require such things. But... having said that are there not some men who in spite of having signed still have their hearts toward God? Consider King David and a couple of the kings of the southern kingdom of Judah. Mostly the kings inherited the crown from their fathers, but the whole idea of kings was really not something that pleased God, but nonetheless, He did use it, at times yes with the left hand but also at times with the right hand.

well, i guess there are, in the wilderness, but who wants to go there, right.

If we are really on the Lord's side, should not we be willing to wherever He wants us to go? Sometimes our flesh will not be pleased.

This is where i'm from, below; they don't call it "the hidden church of the holy cross" for nothing, lemme tell ya!
which i note google has exactly one image of lol; all the rest of the images are buildings, hmm

Looks like a nice place to me, but then I know that I am a strange bird.

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