Can anybody really tell what time it is?

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bbyrd009

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thinking on the subjective (spirit), abstract world, and this Objective (created) world, and how FAITH works in both worlds.
wow nice, i never. But i will now! :)

"faith" in both "worlds," hmm, hafta meditate on that one for a bit tho. I'm prolly getting too anal @ "worlds" there i guess
 

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"history repeats itself". in order for history to repeat itself scenes are the same, but different actors. meaning that there could be hundreds or even thousands of scenes shot over, and over. like Israel sin, God delivered, which took place at different time in history. see what I'm getting at.
i wish the Two Witnesses would be reflected upon in this light...i mean when does The Rev occur, if not when you watch the movie, right
 

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and you now believe that you have been in Christ unceasingly, every second since then?
Yes, but I walking now in His light, walk with Him in the world in that body that was condemned, which has no more hold on me than it does on Him...but rather, we have a hold on it in spite of its shortcomings that continue unto death.
 

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ha well funny i agree with what you are saying there 100%, yet i am interpreting your sentence there in a completely diff way. You are referring to a single, past moment, right--you, who is simultaneously arguing the concept of time on another...oh, right here iguess, hmm the irony--and i...am not. :)
No, it is called a moment (of decision) by God, but it is not in time, but before the foundation of the world. Then comes the playback.
 

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@Scott. not saying that you're right or wrong, U said, in talking to bbyrd009 "it's called a moment (of decision) by God". wait hold the press. if God is the beginning and the End, which he is, how, and why he made a "moment of decision" before the playback, when it was finish from the foundation? please explain. a play back contain all the decision before hand.
 
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No, it is called a moment (of decision) by God, but it is not in time, but before the foundation of the world. Then comes the playback.
i dislike this characterization because it suggests that every action is predestined, and that you have no part in changing your mind, no free will?
 

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see, what i am chiefly cognizant of in my interactions with you recently here, Scott--across other threads, possibly, i have no idea where i'm at in relation to all of them at the moment--is that several v quotes that i have made from Scripture now have not been picked up by you, see. So it seems like they are not even being acknowledged. (although i might find them so in my next notification, don't get me wrong...nope)
 

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@Scott, maybe this could help you understand my position about time and the motion of objects. years ago I purchase a set of video's, (which is now outdated), but the basic teaching still holds true today. one of the series hits what's I'm saying on the head with a basic understanding of TIMELESS and we in motions as objects. here's the link to this one series.
Episode 42: The Lorentz Transformation - The Mechanical Universe

I hope this help you see my point.

Peace in Christ Jesus.
 

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The point is that the similar language tells us exactly what time it is, that the times of each statement are the same....meaning that each refers to them all, and the timing is the time that Christ [was] "perfected."
If you mean Jesus or Yahshua by the phrase "Christ was "perfected", then I'd have to say you have a foreign understanding of scripture. Jesus was, is, and always will be perfect. He wasn't imperfect in eternity before He was born to a body of flesh, nor was He imperfect in the form of a servant, being without sin, and He certainly didn't become less than perfect in His resurrection. Since there is no time when He was imperfect there is no time for Him to be perfected. Sometimes in scripture the word perfect is used where the word complete would be more appropriate. While living in a fleshly body, Jesus could've been called incomplete as He was dispossessed of His glory and sought its restoration (as in His request to the Father in His "priestly prayer" in John's gospel.) I've heard this kind of doctrine from a cult member hawking books in the PA bus terminal years ago. What are you selling?
 
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If you mean Jesus or Yahshua by the phrase "Christ was "perfected", then I'd have to say you have a foreign understanding of scripture. Jesus was, is, and always will be perfect. He wasn't imperfect in eternity before He was born to a body of flesh, nor was He imperfect in the form of a servant, being without sin, and He certainly didn't become less than perfect in His resurrection. Since there is no time when He was imperfect there is no time for Him to be perfected. Sometimes in scripture the word perfect is used where the word complete would be more appropriate. While living in a fleshly body, Jesus could've been called incomplete as He was dispossessed of His glory and sought its restoration (as in His request to the Father in His "priestly prayer" in John's gospel.) I've heard this kind of doctrine from a cult member hawking books in the PA bus terminal years ago. What are you selling?
"Complete" is good. But I am selling nothing.

However, you have obviously missed the point: If there were no imperfection, then Christ would have had no reason to come; and if we were not to be His body and His bride, then we would have no reason to become perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect; and if were are not to be One with Him, haven fallen into imperfection and captivity, then we would not need a Savior and have no part with Him.

So, then, it is not Christ as the Head and Husband who needed to be perfected, but His body and His bride...which inseparable, in Him, were lost. History, therefore, is His story and revelation, and ours.

I am not sure just what you refer to, but if you are saying that perfection were not needed by Jesus, then you are deceived, for He said" "My strength is made perfect in weakness."
 
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"Complete" is good. But I am selling nothing.

I am not sure just what you refer to, but if you are saying that perfection were not needed by Jesus, then you are deceived, for He said" "My strength is made perfect in weakness."
Actually that was written by the Apostle Paul, not spoken by Jesus, but I can understand your confusion.
 

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Confusion, not mine:

2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.
Jesus didn't write 2 Corinthians, that epistle was written by the Apostle Paul. He appears to be quoting the risen Lord, but this is in reference to the weakness of His disciples. He speaks in first person with regard to His body because He has taken on our infirmities and weaknesses, but there is nothing but power in our Lord and in His name. He has always been perfect. It is His followers that need His perfection to be complete, resting in Him rather than standing in their own strength, hence having their power perfected in Him. Its quite simple as a principle and entirely true. Good try though.
 

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Jesus didn't write 2 Corinthians, that epistle was written by the Apostle Paul. He appears to be quoting the risen Lord, but this is in reference to the weakness of His disciples. He speaks in first person with regard to His body because He has taken on our infirmities and weaknesses, but there is nothing but power in our Lord and in His name. He has always been perfect. It is His followers that need His perfection to be complete, resting in Him rather than standing in their own strength, hence having their power perfected in Him. Its quite simple as a principle and entirely true. Good try though.
You are waffling. It was not me who declared "My" "perfect[ion]" was not "complete", but Christ.

I was prepared to let it go, as it seemed that you began to say much the same thing as I did. But then you also seem determined to find me in error, even when I made a simple quote of Christ speaking, which you denied - saying, "Good try though", in an attempt to turn your own error around on me. That is called: "bearing false witness."

Nonetheless, the truth in each case is already clear.