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being completely broken by all that is a crucial first step i guess. whenever you drift back into that, remember your post here
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I am thinking on that.
If the feet of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream [Daniel chapter 2] were Protestantism and Catholicism, and the stone cut without hands out of the mountain was the Bride then what what would the mountain itself be? The Protestantism and Catholicism are the formal structures of men which many men call church [they may want a capitalized Church] but they will be demolished. No salvation there. The mountain could be the Church consisting of believers who love God but missed some of the criteria necessary to the Bride. Those in the Stone met the criteria. What criteria? Consider Song of Solomon particularly chapter 6.
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The "garment" (covering) is Christ. Which means the only attendees are those who may be in the presence of God...with in turn, means those who are without Christ cannot enter in.
So, that means the only ones who attend the marriage ceremony of the Lamb are: God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and all the angels.
Some people would say that I am completely ignorant. I am not, at least not completely. Aha, but what measure of knowledge do I have? Nothing or everything or somewhere in between? God really does know.
If I were a Bible scholar with a degree in that field from one of man's schools would I be held in higher esteem? By men probably, but what about what God thinks about it?
Would I be better off dead? Was Jesus better off after he died on the cross than before?
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I would leave Nebuchadnezzar's dream out of it, as it's interpretation is not without confusion during these times.
The definition of Christ's Church as He stated it, is much easier to follow. Jesus proclaimed that His Church would be built upon the rock (not build with hands), which is not flesh or of the world, but of "the spirit of God", which He said. Yet men of the flesh chose the flesh and glorified Peter, thinking they were glorifying God, but were/are not. Such a definition does not include anyone who is not born again of the spirit of God. It's that simple.
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I answered quick...but should have added, that as a result of men's choosing to follow both the flesh and the spirit, the church as it is these days is made up of those who will enter the kingdom, and also those who will not (those who do not know Christ in spirit and will be told "I never knew you"). But that is not the Church as Christ defined it, but rather as men define it.
Matthew 24:40
Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
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Actually, I was referring to the fact that some choose the flesh and others choose the spirit - some are of the bond woman, and some are of the free.
Yes, that is thing of choosing the flesh is something I noticed. It really took me a long time, not because of God, but because of me. My flesh also wants in...
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Praise God - that's great!
Yes, the flesh would hold us back from ever choosing the spirit of God. But this choice has been presented since Moses told Israel, "I have placed before you life and death, therefore, choose life."
It's a choice.
So where the crusades lead by Christ? All the ethnic cleansing was that Christ? Was Christ at the front when the Native Americans were whipped out.
And all the things that were done in the bname of Christ. was He at the front giving His approval. And the KKK fiery cross an all in the name of Jesus? No. So where is the Scripture that tells us Jesus is leading the church. Jesus said it is finnished and sat down. God also sat down. Jesus handed the baton to us. The Holy Ghost guides us when we surrender self and flesh. Not every CHURCH leader does this nor every Christian. The church is a shambles and you kidding your self if you think God is pleased with the amount of people pouring into a lost eternity. God is hurting more as we are on a daily basis. How can you sit here trying to justify the shambles that man has made of representing Christ. Christ represented Himself to the Church. Now the church has to reprent Him to a lost world. The church is a disgrace. as can be seen in here in this forum or in any church you go into.
I will start another thread and telling you who is in charge of the church. I mean every church including your.
PS And you said my verse was not in the bible with such authority. And now you forgot to mention you were completly wrong and never thought to say Sorry. Then you come back and try to preach like nothing happened. If you are so sure you were correct to make such a bold statement and get it wrong. Why would you think you have a platform here to preach. When you never knew the verse I had to quote for you. You should not be so bold to preach when you do not know what you are talking about.
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Whats the church of osas. I mean all the churchs I mean where is the fruit from any church that is represented here in the forum. I am talking about the churches who represent Christ in there mission statement of of them. I mean them all.
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ha, dunno; i haven't found the third death yet
in hindsight, yes; but obv His contemporaries did not think so, at least for 3 days, right
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"All good deeds that are prompted by hope of happiness in the next world cease to be moral." Mahatma Gandhi
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well, except for a few Anabaptist ones, yes; but that is my pov, not yours lol.
you never went to church? Did not get your start in a church, i guess?
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First I don't see where I said your verse was not in the Bible? Do you mean "every knee will bow"? If so, I think you misunderstood; I was agreeing with you on the verse. I apologize if I was confusing there.
I also don't disagree with you about the state of the physical church (within buildings) with its many squabbling denominations. You asked about all the hate (crusades) and again I agree when you say it is a manifestation of the flesh. My only point is: is it possible those that hate neighbor and kill claiming to be led by God to perform such acts are not led by the Spirit and do not know nor have ever seen God...or do we say the Spirit has failed to lead? You asked why I believe He leads His spiritual church(His body):
Romans 8:13-14 KJV
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
You are also right; maybe I need try being a student rather than a teacher. Speaking as one confused student, it seems we would rather sit under a lie rather than to come face to face with the truth, truth being God.
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I believe the following story, told by Jesus, tells us about salvation in this age.
Matt 22:1-14 NKJV
1 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said:
2 "The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son,
3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come.
4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, "See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding."'
5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business.
6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them.
7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.
9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.'
10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 "But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.
12 So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."
***
Verse 4 and 5 is the attitude of the Jews who were supposed to be God' chosen people.
There is nothing that those that came did that made them eligible to be at the wedding. Both the good and the bad were welcome (verse 9).
In order to understand verses 11 - 13 it should be noted that during those times the roads were NOT paved as we have them today. The roads were dusty and dirty. It was the custom during that time for the host to furnish clean garments to his guests.
In the story we see that one of the guests refused to wear the garment that was provide. If you can see that the wedding garments are signifying the righteousness that God freely gives those that place their faith, trust, confidence and hope in Jesus’ work on the cross you will realize that the man that was not wearing his garment was refusing to accept the righteousness given by God and was standing in his own righteousness.
A perfect example of men and women who place their faith, trust, confidence and hope in their own religious works when God has provided the only work that is acceptable to Him; His own.
Matt 22:1-14 NKJV
1 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said:
2 "The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son,
3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come.
4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, "See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding."'
5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business.
6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them.
7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.
9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.'
10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 "But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.
12 So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."
***
Verse 4 and 5 is the attitude of the Jews who were supposed to be God' chosen people.
There is nothing that those that came did that made them eligible to be at the wedding. Both the good and the bad were welcome (verse 9).
In order to understand verses 11 - 13 it should be noted that during those times the roads were NOT paved as we have them today. The roads were dusty and dirty. It was the custom during that time for the host to furnish clean garments to his guests.
In the story we see that one of the guests refused to wear the garment that was provide. If you can see that the wedding garments are signifying the righteousness that God freely gives those that place their faith, trust, confidence and hope in Jesus’ work on the cross you will realize that the man that was not wearing his garment was refusing to accept the righteousness given by God and was standing in his own righteousness.
A perfect example of men and women who place their faith, trust, confidence and hope in their own religious works when God has provided the only work that is acceptable to Him; His own.
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it is manifested in the spaces you create for it, out of nothing. ya, that helped lol. um ok, do you have a dog, bac?
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leave us not forget that the bondwoman's son was made a great nation, and blessed
sons and daughters are not only people, iow. or too. whatever
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