Co- Redemptrix

tabletalk said:

So how much work is needed to be justified?

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It's not about how many works.
It's about faith being absolutely null and void without them.

michaelvpardo said:

So then since your works here are evil are you then a demon?

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Hmmmm, so exposing lies is "evil"??
That's a pretty warped view.

BreadOfLife said:

Hmmmm, so exposing lies is "evil"??
That's a pretty warped view.

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I'll tell the Lord about it, you can ask Him when you see Him, which should be pretty soon.

Adam and Eve were co redemptrix with God when the were in perfect union with Him - they worked with Him to tend His Creation.

Mary was co redemptrix when she said yes to God and helped to bring about the Savior of the world

We are co redemptrix when we work with God to bring about His Kingdom on Earth.

We all have different roles to play in bringing God’s will to fruition.

God is One who shares His creational works amongst His personage and His creation

GINOLJC, to all.

aspen said:

Adam and Eve were co redemptrix with God when the were in perfect union with Him - they worked with Him to tend His Creation.

Mary was co redemptrix when she said yes to God and helped to bring about the Savior of the world

We are co redemptrix when we work with God to bring about His Kingdom on Earth.

We all have different roles to play in bringing God’s will to fruition.

God is One who shares His creational works amongst His personage and His creation

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2 Corinthians 5:20 "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God". 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him".

2 Corinthians 6:1 "We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain". with him, not them.

1 Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building". we are labourers together with God, not God and Mary. God is not married to Mary only. so not special attention there. she is, or was one of the labourers as we are, no different.

Peace in Christ Jesus/Yeshua.

101G said:

I must not agree fully with that assessment. here's why. yes he's God in nature, (Spirit, Shared), but he, by his own will, G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself of his attributes, but not his NATURE. not until he died, rose and revived that he received or took on his attributes with flesh. 100% God in nature, but not in attributes, 100% man in nature/flesh, but not in attributes. no baby even human come into the world knowing math, speaking Hebrew, or Greek...ect. nor did the Lord Jesus, because the Lord Jesus grew in stature and in wisdom. supportive scripture, Luke 2:52 "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man".

Peace in Christ Yeshua

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So when Jesus was at Gethsemane and sweat of drops of blood pouring out off his face and crying out with agony, if it was possible to let the cup pass from Him, was He not suffering as a man?

So when Jesus carrying the cross on His shoulders, fell three times, and was helped on the way to Calgary, did He not hurt as a man?

So when Jesus was nailed to the cross, and cried, “My God, My God why has thou forsaken me,” to die alone, was He not suffering as a man?

When Jesus was young Scripture stated, He learned obedience just as He grew in stature and wisdom.

God cannot die! But He did in the person of the Lord Jesus as a man, and as of a Lamb. That’s the mystery of it all. Can anyone really comprehend this mystery and really understand? O what a God!

What a loving, holy, and full of grace God I serve, for sending His only Son to die so that I may have eternal life. Praises, glory, and majesty belongs to you Father for having paid a tremendous price for my sins! Thou indeed art worthy to be worshiped and praised. Glory, Alleluia.

To God Be The Glory

michaelvpardo said:

Actually He spoke as the second person of the trinity. Dividing Him into speaking fleshly or speaking spiritually is just another heresy used to justify false doctrine.

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I too can say the same about you, for Scriptures say God is one God, yet you say Jesus spoke as the second person of the trinity. Show me where the word "Trinity" is found in Scripture. Don't get me wrong, I believe there are three distinct persons in the Godhead. There's no speaking heresy here only to those who do not understand the Godhead.

To God Be The Glory

Jun2u said:

I too can say the same about you, for Scriptures say God is one God, yet you say Jesus spoke as the second person of the trinity. Show me where the word "Trinity" is found in Scripture. Don't get me wrong, I believe there are three distinct persons in the Godhead. There's no speaking heresy here only to those who do not understand the Godhead.

To God Be The Glory

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Sure, right, you've read scripture. Go back to sleep.

michaelvpardo said:

I'll tell the Lord about it, you can ask Him when you see Him, which should be pretty soon.

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In other words - you couldn't address my post #32, so you descended into making stupid wise cracks.
That's what I thought . . .

Next time - if you don't have a valid answer - just admit it and move on.

BreadOfLife said:

It's not about working FOR Salvation.
It's understanding what FAITH is. You obviously don't.

There is NO faith without works - and works are worthless without faith. They go hand in hand.
It's a double-edged sword.

Remember - even the demons believe in God and tremble - but they are NOT saved because their works are evil.

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I'm here because you asked someone to come to no. 32 and reply to it.

I've read it, I agree, and there's nothing to reply to.
But you SHOULD calm down and treat people with more respect.
It would be nice.

Another reason demons are not saved is because of the word BELIEVE.
I do so wish everyone understood what this word means more.

There is a mental believe, which even demons have.
Then there is the Greek believe which means a lot more....

To trust, to follow, to adhere to, to learn from, etc.
Important word.

GodsGrace said:

I'm here because you asked someone to come to no. 32 and reply to it.

I've read it, I agree, and there's nothing to reply to.
But you SHOULD calm down and treat people with more respect.
It would be nice.

Another reason demons are not saved is because of the word BELIEVE.
I do so wish everyone understood what this word means more.

There is a mental believe, which even demons have.
Then there is the Greek believe which means a lot more....

To trust, to follow, to adhere to, to learn from, etc.
Important word.

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Wrong.

The definition of "Believe" in the Greek is pretty much the same as it is in English:
Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary
Definition of believe
a : to accept something as true, genuine, or real
- ideals we believe in

b : to have a firm or wholehearted religious conviction or persuasion : to regard the existence of God as a fact
- Do you believe?
—usually used with in
- believe in the Scriptures
2: to have a firm conviction as to the goodness, efficacy, or ability of something
- believe in exercise

Strong's Greek Lexicon
Definition of believe
1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
1a) of the thing believed
1a1) to credit, have confidence
1b) in a moral or religious reference

This is the danger of some people who say all you have to do is "believe" in order to be saved.
Belief + our cooperation = Faith, period.

As for what YOU construe as my being "disrespectful" - people who constantly tell lies need exposin'.
People who find that "disrespectful" are usually the SAME people who tell lies . . .

BreadOfLife said:

In other words - you couldn't address my post #32, so you descended into making stupid wise cracks.
That's what I thought . . .

Next time - if you don't have a valid answer - just admit it and move on.

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It was addressed here and elsewhere adnauseum and when you refuse to acknowledge what scripture clearly says because it is in opposition to your phony baloney doctrines, what do you expect? Working for righteousness of your own is sin, doing works in the power of the Holy Spirit is doing God's works, not your own and is only possible when you have received Jesus the Christ by Faith. You don't receive Him by eating a cracker or reciting a prayer and no amount of dogma changes that. We contribute 0% to our salvation. If you think that you do things which earn you merit out of the magical storehouse, then you just don't know Him and are likely to hear those words "I never knew you." If you knew Him you wouldn't be so busy trying to reinterpret Him, but good luck with that.

michaelvpardo said:

It was addressed here and elsewhere adnauseum and when you refuse to acknowledge what scripture clearly says because it is in opposition to your phony baloney doctrines, what do you expect? Working for righteousness of your own is sin, doing works in the power of the Holy Spirit is doing God's works, not your own and is only possible when you have received Jesus the Christ by Faith. You don't receive Him by eating a cracker or reciting a prayer and no amount of dogma changes that. We contribute 0% to our salvation. If you think that you do things which earn you merit out of the magical storehouse, then you just don't know Him and are likely to hear those words "I never knew you." If you knew Him you wouldn't be so busy trying to reinterpret Him, but good luck with that.

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And if YOU think you have "nothing" to do with your salvation - then why repent?
Our cooperation with God's grace is crucial to our salvation.

Without it, you cannot hope to be saved - and, as I have shown you - the Scriptures are CLEAR on that.

As I showed you earlier - for which you had NO response . . .

Matthew 23:37
Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were NOT WILLING.

Paul calls us "Sunergos" (co-workers) with God (1 Cor. 3:9, 2 Cor. 6:1). God wills the salvation of ALL (1 Timothy 2:4) - but NOT all are willing. James tells us that faith without works is worthless and dead (James 2:14-26).

Rom. 10:17 states that faith comes by hearing the Word of God - but we are told to be DOERS of the Word and not just "hearers".
When you read the Scriptures in context - you will find that faith and works are indivisible.

One without the other is worthless . . .

Jun2u said:

So when Jesus was at Gethsemane and sweat of drops of blood pouring out off his face and crying out with agony, if it was possible to let the cup pass from Him, was He not suffering as a man?

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his flesh yes.

Jun2u said:

So when Jesus carrying the cross on His shoulders, fell three times, and was helped on the way to Calgary, did He not hurt as a man?

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in flesh yes

Jun2u said:

When Jesus was young Scripture stated, He learned obedience just as He grew in stature and wisdom.

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in the flesh yes, you must not read my post, or didn't understand it. J2 don't you know that there is an inward man and a outward man?.

Jun2u said:

God cannot die! But He did in the person of the Lord Jesus as a man, and as of a Lamb. That’s the mystery of it all. Can anyone really comprehend this mystery and really understand? O what a God!

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in the flesh yes, just like us. did you not read our brother James? the body without the spirit is dead, not the spirit without the body the spirit is dead. understand that there are two deaths. and the one the Lord Jesus/God died from was the NATURAL DEATH of the FLESH. J2, I thought you knew these things. see the spirit didn't die, the flesh that the spirit was in it died. see, he commend his spirit, not his body. I see you don't know these things.

natural flesh die. that's how he died. understand J2 the Life of the flesh is the blood, read Leviticus 17:11, and Leviticus 17:14. then you will know how GOD DIED.

P.S. remember flesh/outward man. spirit/inward man.
Peace in Christ Yeshua.

BreadOfLife said:

And if YOU think you have "nothing" to do with your salvation - then why repent?
Our cooperation with God's grace is crucial to our salvation.

Without it, you cannot hope to be saved - and, as I have shown you - the Scriptures are CLEAR on that.

As I showed you earlier - for which you had NO response . . .

Matthew 23:37
Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were NOT WILLING.

Paul calls us "Sunergos" (co-workers) with God (1 Cor. 3:9, 2 Cor. 6:1). God wills the salvation of ALL (1 Timothy 2:4) - but NOT all are willing. James tells us that faith without works is worthless and dead (James 2:14-26).

Rom. 10:17 states that faith comes by hearing the Word of God - but we are told to be DOERS of the Word and not just "hearers".
When you read the Scriptures in context - you will find that faith and works are indivisible.

One without the other is worthless . . .

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How much did you cooperate when your mother gave birth to you?

michaelvpardo said:

How much did you cooperate when your mother gave birth to you?

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If you are saying that you don't have a choice to repent, then you don't know Scripture - and you certainly don't know Jesus.

BreadOfLife said:

If you are saying that you don't have a choice to repent, then you don't know Scripture - and you certainly don't know Jesus.

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Neither, apparently do you.

Matthew 19:25-26, Mark 10:26-27, Luke 18:26-27
Romans 3:10-11, Isaiah 64:5-7, Isaiah 53:5-6, Isaiah 53:10-11
John 3:3-6
The gospel of Repentance for sins was preached to the Jews, the gospel of God's grace was preached to the gentiles. Jews received the promise of life through repentance, Gentiles receive the promise of eternal life by faith leading to repentance. I can understand why you're confused, but if you submit your soul to Christ's care, believing that The blood of the Son of God is sufficient payment for all of your sin, past, present, and future, then you too may receive life eternal, receiving His Holy Spirit by faith. Clinging to your own righteousness is death. "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Amen and Amen.

michaelvpardo said:

The gospel of Repentance for sins was preached to the Jews, the gospel of God's grace was preached to the gentiles. Jews received the promise of life through repentance, Gentiles receive the promise of eternal life by faith leading to repentance. I can understand why you're confused

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Doesn't it require "faith" for both Jew and Gentile to "repent"? And for both Jew and Gentile the sins of which shall be remembered no more, by "grace"? To the Jew first, and also for the Gentile.

John 4:22c ... for salvation is from the Jews.

In the wilderness, they had "sacrifice". Yet only two of those who witnessed the power of "God", actually entered the "Promised Land". For "sacrifice", only covered unintentional or sins of ignorance. "Sacrifice" does not cover willful sin [cf Num 15:29-31].