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ya, right, and the Israelites never did this, right
ergo the perspective is likely more important than the reality, and we have our perspective of "Samaritan" thanks mostly to Christ i guess, Who presented quite a diff pitcher huh
Jesus presented a different pix of everybody.
Women had no respect in Jesus time --- more in the time of Moses, actually. Instead Jesus spoke to them. Just the fact that He SPOKE to the Samaritan woman means a lot.

He wanted all to be a member of His Kingdom here on earth.
Tax collectors, Samaritans, Women, all sinners of every type.
That is the reality.
 
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Matthew 13:24-30 KJV
[24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: [25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. [26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. [27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? [28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? [29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. [30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
What does this mean?
I could read the bible all on my own.
Why did you post this parable?
What does it mean to you?
 

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I guess you missed this bit

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

doesnt mean they chose too. So many want to be called sons, just few are willing to pay teh price.
There is a price to be paid to belong to the Kingdom.
Have you studied the Kingdom? I have. I feel that if every Christian knew this concept, it would make for a much better world.

Maybe a thread on it???
 
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Matthew 13:24-30 KJV
[24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: [25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. [26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. [27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? [28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? [29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. [30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
is the kingdom here the man, or the field, do you think? Are tares souls, or thoughts/deeds that evince separation?
 
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ha i love the Book, the way It puts things; there is always another perspective, often indicated by its absence imo. Isn't grace something you give to ppl? i mean granted you must also be able to receive it, ya
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My cats get grace.
They don't work for it!
I just love them.
 

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funny you say this, the Abarim guy brings out how it was the Israelites who were actually the melting pot,, dunno if this is true or not, but he makes a decent case i guess
"All the families of the earth

Far from being an isolated depository of utterly alien dictums, Israel was the melting pot and refinery of the greatest traditions the world had come up with (Psalm 12:6). Israel was never intended to be anything other than a phenomenon from which every family mentioned in Genesis 10 would actively derive blessings, right away and from the "family-level" up (Genesis 12:3).

The word for "families" or "clans" occurs five times in Genesis 10 (also see Ephesians 3:15) and denotes the most rudimentary human organizational structure. Multiple families would synchronize into speaking one language. That language would cover a specific territory and that territory would determine the realm of the state that would eventually form. Hence Genesis 10 utilizes the formula of progression: "according to their families (משפחה, mishpaha), their languages (לשון, lashon), their lands (ארץ, 'eres), their nations" (גוי, goy). Long before it was formally established, Israel was an international project; a USA of its days, with myriads of cultural and economic tributaries:

Neither the general "house of Abraham" nor the specific "house of Israel" was racially pure — or said otherwise: racial purity is of absolutely no concern to the Bible (the Bible is only concerned with purity of thought and action; Deuteronomy 7, Deuteronomy 20:18). The covenant which the Lord cut with Abraham and of which Christ..."
The amazing name Abraham: meaning and etymology
about halfway down
OK. I read all of it.
It's true that not only Hebrews were part of Abraham's "family".
Not all Hebrews were circumcised, as i'm sure you know.
I don't care for how he described this as a story. With Abraham begins the true history of Israel. We can believe it as history. What happened before that is based on truth, but we can't call it history.

I like this part because it explains well my idea of works, which is very much looked down upon by many here:

It's been famously said that Abraham believed YHWH (and He reckoned that as righteousness; Genesis 15:6). The key-verb is אמן ('aman), which does not denote simply accepting for true an otherwise unverified statement but rather an active upholding of a standard. Abraham's patriarchy is one of doing; an activity much more fundamental than any particular conviction.

Religion is a doing.
Christianity is a being.
I've said this many times.
But in that "being" we must also find that we're to DO as Jesus commanded.

However, Israelites DID NOT like to have inter-religious marriages. They wanted to be separate from other nations. This is why God chose them - because He knew that they'd keep their "religion". And, in fact, they did. After two exiles, the Babylonian and the Assyrian, they still held to their vision of one God and how they understood Him to be - including attributing everything to Him. If we can grasp this, we'll also understand the O.T. much better. Thus we read that God created chaos, when in fact they attributed chaos to Him since He was the creator of everything. But we know that God is NOT a God of confusion...
Isaiah 45:7
1 Corinthians 14:33
 
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