Co- Redemptrix

bbyrd009 · Jan 8, 2018

Richard_oti said:
So how do you reconcile that with one of the things you have posted:

"no Son of Man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins will die"

And: "pick up your cross and follow"?

how do these need to be reconciled, in your opinion?
In mine, Mary just got confession unto salvation quite early, as she was "chosen," but then so was John Baptist; was he sinless too?

bbyrd009 · Jan 8, 2018

Richard_oti said:
Understood. What does "holy" mean?

what is the point?

bbyrd009 · Jan 8, 2018

Richard_oti said:
And thus, I am able to make it say what I want to hear.

imo this fails bc that would happen anyway. Statements such as "the blanket is too short" are imo obviously speaking to perspectives, not stating truths?

bbyrd009 · Jan 8, 2018

Richard_oti said:
If there are none that seek, then there are none that seek.

right then at least. But imo the v can be taken too literally too

Dcopymope · Jan 8, 2018

Stranger said:
In (Luke 1:6) it doesn't say 'their' righteousness. It says "...they were both righteous before God...." That always is an imputed righteousness. See (Rom 4:2-3). "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the Scripture: Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." To be righteous before God is to have His righteousness imputed to you.

When it says in (Luke 1:6), "...walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.", That doesn't mean they were sinless. Nor does it mean the Law saved them. They were under the Law. When they sinned, which they did, they were obedient to bring the correct sacrifices that God commanded. They were obedient under the Law but they were sinners under the Law.

Zacharias and Elisabeth were believers saved by faith, righteous before God, and walking in obedience under the Law.

Stranger

Ok, you explained it better than Luke did.

bbyrd009 said:
"there are none righteous, no not one"
"Job was a righteous man"

Because of his faith, or because he kept the law?

Dcopymope · Jan 8, 2018

aspen said:
Well, it is a heresy, but at least you admit it

How is it a heresy?

BreadOfLife · Jan 8, 2018

Stranger said:
I have no problem with the Trinity.

Mary did not give birth to God. God existed before Mary. Didn't he?

Mary gave birth to the God/Man, Jesus Christ.

Stranger

Precisely.
She gave birth to the child, who was also GOD.

Mary didn't give firth to a mere human.
She didn't give birth to a nature.
She gave birth to Jesus, who is 100% Man and 100% GOD.

This is why she was declared "Theotokos" (God-bearer) at the Council of Ephesus in 431. That Council was combating the Nestorian Heresy which tried to separate the 2 natures of Jesus - Human and Divine.

This is the SAME heresy that afflicts YOU . . .

BreadOfLife · Jan 8, 2018

Stranger said:
Struggle as you may, you cannot make 'kecharitomene' mean sinless. And sinlessness of Mary was not required for her to be the chosen one to give birth to the God/Man, Jesus Christ.

Stranger

How do YOU know?
God told you, did He?

You presume to know everything that God wills?
Your arrogance is astounding.

Anyway - I've already proven that "Kecharitomene" means "sinless".
NOBODY on earth is completely, perfectly and enduringly endowed with Grace - except for Mary. The rest of us have to wait until we get to Heaven to reach this status.

Jun2u · Jan 8, 2018

twinc said:
I do not demand but wait on tf salvationhe Lord who knows better than I do and assures us " before you call I will hear and before you ask I will answer" - twinc

"...behold now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation!"
2 Corinthians 6:2

bbyrd009 · Jan 8, 2018

Dcopymope said:
Because of his faith, or because he kept the law?

ha well i agree, but that is not the point; you asked, seeked, and knocked to find that truth, Scripture did not hand it to you on a plate, right

bbyrd009 · Jan 8, 2018

Richard_oti said:
Of what sin would you convict her? Getting pregnant outside of the "marriage" bed?

an evasion, ok. i expect this from Catholics, but not from you tbh

who needs Christ if Mary was sinless?
why are Pagans even allowed to comment here, i gotta ask?
can we at least have access to whatever Book they are using?

bbyrd009 · Jan 8, 2018

can we talk about Ishtar and Easter Bunnies for a while?

I guess the Easter Bunny is a co-redempter, too, huh

twinc · Jan 8, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
How do YOU know?
God told you, did He?

You presume to know everything that God wills?
Your arrogance is astounding.

Anyway - I've already proven that "Kecharitomene" means "sinless".
NOBODY on earth is completely, perfectly and enduringly endowed with Grace - except for Mary. The rest of us have to wait until we get to Heaven to reach this status.

I cannot speak for others but I can tell you how I know = Matt 16:19/18:18/Lk 10:16 - twinc

Dcopymope · Jan 8, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
an evasion, ok. i expect this from Catholics, but not from you tbh

who needs Christ if Mary was sinless?
why are Pagans even allowed to comment here, i gotta ask?
can we at least have access to whatever Book they are using?

Catholics are pagans? Noooo, who would think such a thing?..............

.

Jun2u · Jan 8, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
How do YOU know?
God told you, did He?

You presume to know everything that God wills?
Your arrogance is astounding.

Anyway - I've already proven that "Kecharitomene" means "sinless".
NOBODY on earth is completely, perfectly and enduringly endowed with Grace - except for Mary. The rest of us have to wait until we get to Heaven to reach this status.

Thanks for describing yourself to a tee, above.

Luke 1:46-47
46 And Mary said, my soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

See? Mary too has admitted she needed a savior.

If Mary was “sinless” (because a sinner /s declared her to be) then she must have come from “sinless” parents, and her parents from “sinless” grandparents...etc.! Can you prove this type of genealogy exists from Scriptures or if you prefer, from your church”s traditions?

Protestants don’t hate the Catholics. It is this type of teachings and doctrines are the reasons that your church is labeled a false church!

To God Be The Glory

bbyrd009 · Jan 8, 2018

Dcopymope said:
Catholics are pagans? Noooo, who would think such a thing?..............

.

hey, i like them both, but this is getting kind of ridiculous imo

Dcopymope · Jan 8, 2018

Jun2u said:
Thanks for describing yourself to a tee, above.

Luke 1:46-47
46 And Mary said, my soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

See? Mary too has admitted she needed a savior.

If Mary was “sinless” (because a sinner /s declared her to be) then she must have come from “sinless” parents, and her parents from “sinless” grandparents...etc.! Can you prove this type of genealogy exists from Scriptures or if you prefer, from your church”s traditions?

Protestants don’t hate the Catholics. It is this type of teachings and doctrines are the reasons that your church is labeled a false church!

To God Be The Glory

Good post, and they call her their "queen", and not just any queen either, but the queen of heaven. Luke quotes Mary as explicitly stating God as her savior. Would an alleged "queen" of such caliber ever need a savior to start with?

twinc · Jan 8, 2018

Dcopymope said:
Good post, and they call her their "queen", and not just any queen either, but the queen of heaven. Luke quotes Mary as explicitly stating God as her savior. Would an alleged "queen" of such caliber ever need a savior to start with?

but still not the calibre of God imho and that of most Catholics - twinc

Dcopymope · Jan 8, 2018

twinc said:
but still not the calibre of God imho and that of most Catholics - twinc

But according to Catholics, she IS of the same caliber of God, since they claim our prayers are allegedly received through her. She is allegedly the intercessor in heaven for the only intercessor that we know of, Jesus Christ. Do you not see the blatant, blasphemous deification in such beliefs?

Stranger · Jan 8, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
Precisely.
She gave birth to the child, who was also GOD.

Mary didn't give firth to a mere human.
She didn't give birth to a nature.
She gave birth to Jesus, who is 100% Man and 100% GOD.

This is why she was declared "Theotokos" (God-bearer) at the Council of Ephesus in 431. That Council was combating the Nestorian Heresy which tried to separate the 2 natures of Jesus - Human and Divine.

This is the SAME heresy that afflicts YOU . . .

I didn't say Mary gave birth to a mere human. I said Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man.

There is no heresy in what I have said. The heresy is that Mary was sinless. And it is not me that is saying that. Is it?

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