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Not exactly. But kind of.
Absolutely!
Seems most anything the intellect an come upOk.
Yes. I saw a "like" first and replied to the above.But...we have the mind of Christ...
This is like Paul saying "we will by no means proceed those who have fallen asleep." Which all depends on the context.
If we say that God is timeless and in that context we and those who have fallen asleep join Christ simultaneously, it is correct, which would seem to make Paul a fool or a liar. But if we say that Paul spoke to those who had not yet seen death and it is in that context that we do not proceed those who have fallen asleep, this is also correct, and Paul is right to say so, even though it would appear to contradict the timeless truth of God.
Speaking then, from the perspective of Christ whom has joined the Father, in whom we share an eternal context, and because we no longer live, but it is Christ who lives in us...it is correct to say that all that was created "was" created "before the foundation of the world", and this that we now see in revelation, is just that creation that "was" is just being "revealed" "as it is written." Likewise, if we say that it "is" written, therefore "this" is that time in which He writes it...this too is correct. But if we say, that because it "is" written, therefore it "is" now that God "is" creating things...this is not correct, because that would mean that it is not written, when God has said that it "is."
But I wouldn't trouble yourself about it.
I agree with this. But this also means then that God did not CREATE evil, as I believe, but only ALLOWS it and for what reason, I don't see how we could ever be sure if the finest minds in Christiandom, from the beginning, could not come to this knowledge.
God can't be like the little boy. May it never be!So far so good; a fine discussion, no derailing happening ! ☺ I have no personal agenda here, people can think what they want, btw...I happen to also be aware
of Higgs Boson, the God Particle, electromag microscope photos of
most everything down to the atoms of nickel and brass making up the Liberty Bell [explaining why it cracked...on PBS, ha, what an eye opener], so that, I know
'Nothing Is What it Seems..or Appearances are deceptive'!
What appears as evil has some purpose in God's Cosmic or Divine Perspective.
Does evil exist? Seems to. We think cancer is evil, yet subconsciousily the person MAY
have created it themselves ...ha, then when faced with the reality of cancer was consciously hating it.
Who is to say what is true evil. Not me.
I believe God is One...all is sort of, but maybe not exactly, "within Him"..an extension of Him Who is ever expanding and discovering? Another way to put it?
If He is The Whole...The One...no duality, not a "two"....is He like a little boy in a garden discovering with innocent curiosity holding a magnifying
glass while burning up a bug? I'm not saying this is so, but it helps the mind possibly alter it's definition of what is evil.
I didn't intend this to be a thread on "evil"...but, that was inevitble and fine....in my head I was thinking of sub sub subatomic particles and the "empty space" inside them
that make up what we call matter...because in my mind..there is no matter.
Nothing would exist if not for God; He is the glue, the force holding all together, in other words...
the invisible thoughts of a dog or mine.
Nothing is what it appears to be...to the human's woefully
limited senses....so, therefore, how could anyone make a true assessment
of anything without Divine Revelation...when the Holy Spirit reveals Divine Insight to a person.
Any puny logic or intellect from anyone is just speculation, a concept, an opinion, and guessing, to me...and means little.
But, please continue!
with is still vanity, doesn't it? HA!
Well, God created us. Doesn’t mean He’s got a human aspect, does it?
but we should at least contemplate that there is an equivocal doctrine that suggests God set us in motion with certain natural laws in place that would require Him to do nothing else whatsoever for His will to manifest, right. And that God actively doing something in our domain without any human requesting God's will would even go against Scripture.
NO theologian knows the answer to this one.
This is where I am on the Word of God. Consider it as if He spoke [however God would do that] the Word only once before the foundation of the world of men and what He spoke is reflected as a result of how any man acts and reacts. Resultant curses occur and blessings occur, but God does not need to speak the Word as it is already in place to accomplish whatever the action or reaction requires.
When we pray, it is not that the outcome is not already written and therefore predestine. But rather, we simple have not experienced it yet.
No, that is just a misunderstanding of the term "evil." God did create "darkness", which by His definition, means "evil." Except that because He is higher than we, He is not a part of it. He is Light. But we as fallen beings living in darkness are evil by nature, because we are fallen, and therefore the darkness becomes us.
