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Once in a while it's a good idea to just sit still and close your eyes, and shut out the world and all its noise and clamor. That is not what's real, as appealing as it might look to us when our eyes are open and taking it all in.We live in a body that is wonderfully made by God. No matter what age you are, dear reader, you are slowly dying. That is, your body is slowly dying. BUT your soul (your spirit) can not cease to exist. You are your soul, not your body. We spend far more time than we should attending to the health and beauty of the body and far too little time attending to the health and beauty of our souls (especially since our souls will live forever, for we are created in the image of God, the Bible tells us). AND God IS. Time does not have anything to do with Him. He IS Eternal; He never began, and He will never end, nor will He ever change.Your body will lie in a coffin, as will mine. But "we" (our souls) won't stay in the coffin. We must get rid of this corrupt body and inherit the incorruptible body God has prepared already for us who believe in His Son and His saving act on the Cross.In first Corinthians 15:53-55, God's Word tells us, "For this persihable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?' "No human being will ever cease to exist. A person will live either in eternal happiness with God in heaven or suffer internal torment in Hell with Satan and his evil devils.waynemlj
 

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Once in a while it's a good idea to just sit still and close your eyes, and shut out the world and all its noise and clamor. That is not what's real, as appealing as it might look to us when our eyes are open and taking it all in.We live in a body that is wonderfully made by God. No matter what age you are, dear reader, you are slowly dying. That is, your body is slowly dying. BUT your soul (your spirit) can not cease to exist. You are your soul, not your body. We spend far more time than we should attending to the health and beauty of the body and far too little time attending to the health and beauty of our souls (especially since our souls will live forever, for we are created in the image of God the Bible tells us). AND God IS. Time does not have anything to do with Him. He IS Eternal; He never began, and He will never end, nor will He ever change.Your body will lie in a coffin, as will mine. But "we" (our souls) won't stay in the coffin. We must get rid of this corrupt body and inherit the incorruptible body God has prepared already for us who believe in His Son and His saving act on the Cross.In first Corinthians 15:53-55, God's Word tells us, "For this persihable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?' "No human being will ever cease to exist. A person will live either in eternal happiness with God in heaven or suffer internal torment in Hell with Satan and his evil devils.waynemlj
A good reminder, waynemlj, and good advice. I very much agree with you (ignoring the eternal hell bit). It brought to mind the book by Bill Hybels: "who you are-when no one's looking". He describes our true character as what we do when no one is looking, and I think that is a very important distinction that we should always try to observe in ourselves.The Christian way of life comes from the heart through love, compassion, empathy and a love of right over wrong. But if it really comes from the heart, there should be no difference between the way we act in public and how we live and think in private. We cannot have one life for ourselves and another, with different values, for the world around us. That is reducing the law of love to "not what you do, but what you get caught doing".We do seriously neglect and even abuse our spiritual well-being, whereas we should work very hard on maintaining its condition. Not only do we thereby live according to God's law, but we find an added benefit of an inner satisfaction and fulfilment. Our conscience and our spirit is in unison with God and this often produces a resultant benefit in our physical welfare, too.So....by working on our spiritual welfare we can also find a much more effective (and considerably cheaper
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Once in a while it's a good idea to just sit still and close your eyes, and shut out the world and all its noise and clamor. That is not what's real, as appealing as it might look to us when our eyes are open and taking it all in.We live in a body that is wonderfully made by God. No matter what age you are, dear reader, you are slowly dying. That is, your body is slowly dying. BUT your soul (your spirit) can not cease to exist. You are your soul, not your body. We spend far more time than we should attending to the health and beauty of the body and far too little time attending to the health and beauty of our souls (especially since our souls will live forever, for we are created in the image of God the Bible tells us). AND God IS. Time does not have anything to do with Him. He IS Eternal; He never began, and He will never end, nor will He ever change.Your body will lie in a coffin, as will mine. But "we" (our souls) won't stay in the coffin. We must get rid of this corrupt body and inherit the incorruptible body God has prepared already for us who believe in His Son and His saving act on the Cross.In first Corinthians 15:53-55, God's Word tells us, "For this persihable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?' "No human being will ever cease to exist. A person will live either in eternal happiness with God in heaven or suffer internal torment in Hell with Satan and his evil devils.waynemlj
And souls can die as well, but it can't die by a human hand. (Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:4)And Satan is already JUDGED to death by God. (Ezekiel 28:18)And there is no such thing as a burning in Hell forever doctrine... It's unbiblical.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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Hi thesuperjag,Yes, there is such a thing as burning in hell for eternity. And, yes, what I wrote is biblical. Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."It would be a good idea for you to read the Bible on the posted topic before you rush out to make a statement that is not true.waynemlj
 
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Hi thesuperjag,Yes, there is such a thing as burning in hell for eternity. And, yes, what I wrote is biblical. Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."It would be a good idea for you to read the Bible on the posted topic before you rush out to make a statement that is not true.waynemlj
And how do you explain the second death then? (Revelation 20:14, Revelation 21:8) And the fact that Satan is going to die? (Ezekiel 28:18)
 

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Hi thesuperjag,You need to make a distinction between physical death and spiritual death. There is a spiritual death in Hell that will mean the loss of the joy of sharing in God's glory in Heaven, where there will be no tears, no fears, no jealousy, no resentment, no impurity, no lies, no hatred . . . NO SIN! In Heaven there will be love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Heaven will be a beautiful place of light -- God's light! And that's forever and ever!The opposite of all of the above will exist in Hell . . . eternal torment by demons who hate you and have the power over your soul to make you absolutely miserable, make you suffer; eternal darkness will be intolerable in itself along with burning flames . . . and everyone there will hate God to an ultimate degree, without any rest from all those sufferings . . . those conditions represent spiritual death. And that's forever and ever!waynemlj
 

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Hi thesuperjag,You need to make a distinction between physical death and spiritual death. There is a spiritual death in Hell that will mean the loss of the joy of sharing in God's glory in Heaven, where there will be no tears, no fears, no jealousy, no resentment, no impurity, no lies, no hatred . . . NO SIN! In Heaven there will be love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Heaven will be a beautiful place of light -- God's light! And that's forever and ever!The opposite of all of the above will exist in Hell . . . eternal torment by demons who hate you and have the power over your soul to make you absolutely miserable, make you suffer; eternal darkness will be intolerable in itself along with burning flames . . . and everyone there will hate God to an ultimate degree, without any rest from all those sufferings . . . those conditions represent spiritual death. And that's forever and ever!waynemlj
Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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A human is a unity of an immortal soul and a body. Just as the first death is not the end of our existence as human (both body and soul of ALL will be reunited again). Certainly we could say that in the afterlife things have change, but the first death is not the end of our having a body. Jesus speaks of "body and soul" being tossed into Hell.There is no reason to assume that a second death, to die body AND soul, could not also mean (like the first death) a change. As already suggested the biggest change being an eternal separation from the very purpose of our existence, an eternal separation from God. What Hell does to a body and soul must surely be a change, and could be considered death, but it does not have to mean an end to existence, just as the first death did not. Would agree with Waynemlj, C S Lewis and other scholars that have describe the damned in Hell as an existence that no longer resembles a human life. That is a death, the end of what was once human, yet still remains. So there is no problem in our view of seeing the "second death" as a real death, an end to what was a human life, yet something conscious still remains. It would be the exact opposite of saying how we can be really ALIVE as HUMANS in Heaven eternally; eternally dead in Hell, left only with the hatred of God, oneself and everything else for all eternity and the ugly rage and utter despare that would come with that state (and the same state of others there to aggravate it perhaps).Part of the problem I see with annihilation is that God gives everyone an immortal soul, it is part of our nature. It would belong only to God and God alone to decide to annihilate such a soul. (And we would argue the bodies of the damned are also resurrected immortal.) Unless one admits it is God Himself annihilating in Hell (which we would have other problems with), to have a power in Hell that could annihilate what God has made immortal is to attach a Divine Power to the very opposite of what it means to be Divine. Which means part of Hell is Divine, which we cannot abide.Hell must be the exact opposite of Heaven, the total absence of ALL Good. Heaven has purpose, Hell can serve no purpose. Hell can only attack purpose, which is what evil does. Only Good can serve a purpose, evil is the opposite of good.
 

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Actually, hell isn't forever. it will be cast into the Lake of Fire, and the Lake of Fire IS forever. Rev. 20:14,15.
thanks Jon-mark,Been a Catholic a few years now, but it was not until coming to this forum and reading more about what the Church taught that I learned it does distinguish between before and after judgement. Guess I never thought much about what happens to those going to Hell, though I did know we teach everyone gets a re-united with a body.In researching for these threads learned that the Church teaches the damned go straight to "Hell" after this life, where ever and whatever that means, it sounds bad. So their souls are in a bad place before the final judgement, where they to get re-united with a body and as Jesus says can then be tossed "body and soul" into "Hell". Have no problem seeing that final toss being represented as a lake of fire, even a different place as long as those ending up there stay there forever (though very much not ALIVE as those in Heaven will be!).Good point.
 

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I like your response Jon-Mark! Alot said in few words. No hell? Oh satan would love to convince us of that! The rich man lifted up his eyes in hell being tormented in flames...thirsty tongue...wanting one drop of water....but this is not literal ha? We are so good at making the word of God have no effect! I choose to believe this and this and this but....not hell. Yet it's descriptions are clearly described...and everlasting doesn't mean everlasting? What do we know about everlasting? We can't believe it that's all. It makes things alot nicer if we don't believe it...Who shall deliver me from this body of sin Paul said....it isn't good morals that's for sure. And if we do manage to look pretty good on the outside in order to line up with the inside...can we now be justified by our good works? It's not possible. But it is man's pride to attempt to. In the same we can't say hey you Christian...since you are not perfect on the outside you are not really saved. Salvation does not extinguish the possibilty of sin...but If any man does sin he has an advocate Jesus....the unsaved do not have this advocate or mediator...the writer is speaking to Christians.Christians can sin too....can be weak and fall...can be tried and fail or have victory...can become prodicals...etc...and the way we work on this exterior life is not by condemnation...since those who are in Christ are not anymore under condemnation...though they may be under chastisement which is a Father's love to correct his children...better not to sin and make another stumble...but it happens...this is why we are better to look to the author of our faith...to who christianity is about and not to man...who is still living in a mortal body and is subject to the passions of it...If I base my faith on man it would be dead already! Even if I base it on my own goodness or power to be good or do good. Because when I try to do good I find some adversity in myself working against what I really want to do and be...this was Paul's dilemma...which caused him to say..who shall deliver me from this body of sin!One day we will have a new body that is not inclined to sin. amen. I've been condemned to hell before by "christians!" All the while God so greatly in my heart and my face in His. God looks on the heart! Only he sometimes knows the differrence between someone captured by temptation or sin who really in their heart is saved...loves the Lord greatly...but let satan get a foothold. The righteous man falls a thousand times and God picks him up every time...delivers him a thousand times. The point...a righteous man can fall.....is this disturbing Kalixx? It only shows that man can't win the righteousness of God by his works...by his mortal goodness...but faith is righteousness. Abraham had "Faith" and it was counted to him as righteousness. A man can do alot of good works and still not have faith...but if he has great faith...great works will follow. And yes, we do know a tree by it's fruit...and fruit is not words, but everyday ways....and just because a tree says it is pure and righteous doesn't mean it spends time in the presence of God...it may just spend time in the presence of men....it's Motive God sees...most of all! kim
 

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Once in a while it's a good idea to just sit still and close your eyes, and shut out the world and all its noise and clamor. That is not what's real, as appealing as it might look to us when our eyes are open and taking it all in.We live in a body that is wonderfully made by God. No matter what age you are, dear reader, you are slowly dying. That is, your body is slowly dying. BUT your soul (your spirit) can not cease to exist. You are your soul, not your body. We spend far more time than we should attending to the health and beauty of the body and far too little time attending to the health and beauty of our souls (especially since our souls will live forever, for we are created in the image of God, the Bible tells us). AND God IS. Time does not have anything to do with Him. He IS Eternal; He never began, and He will never end, nor will He ever change.Your body will lie in a coffin, as will mine. But "we" (our souls) won't stay in the coffin. We must get rid of this corrupt body and inherit the incorruptible body God has prepared already for us who believe in His Son and His saving act on the Cross.In first Corinthians 15:53-55, God's Word tells us, "For this persihable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?' "No human being will ever cease to exist. A person will live either in eternal happiness with God in heaven or suffer internal torment in Hell with Satan and his evil devils.waynemlj

People who make statements like, "your soul (your spirit) can not cease to exist," are not being accurate in what they're saying.
Genesis 2:7 is very clear about how God created the first human being. Genesis 2:7 says, "And YHWH God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." So what Genesis 2:7 is saying, is that God took dust from the ground, and formed it into a flesh and blood human body, then blew the breath of life(spirit) into that flesh and blood human body, and the flesh and blood human body, became a living soul or living person. So human beings don't have souls, they are souls. If you say the breath of life(spirit) separately, on its own, without the flesh and blood human body, is a living soul or living person, this is incorrect. What makes a human being a living soul or living person, is the combination of the flesh and blood human body, combined with the breath of life(spirit) in that flesh and blood human body. So human beings were not created with souls, because human beings are souls, and we're mortal. Because of the sin of Adam all human beings die, that means all souls die we cease to exist at death.
Many, may not like this, but the scripture at Genesis 2:7 is very clear, that the breath of life(spirit) separately, on it's own, without the flesh and blood human body, is not a living soul or living person. Neither is the flesh and blood human body without the breath of life (spirit) in that flesh and blood human body, a living soul or living person.
It's like hydrogen and oxygen, when hydrogen and oxygen are combined, water exists. But if you take either oxygen or hydrogen away, the water ceases to exist. It's the same with the breath of life(spirit) and the flesh and blood human body, when combined together they make a living soul or living person, but you take the breath of life(spirit) away and the living soul or living person ceases to exist.
 

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Kinda sounds like an "eternal conscious torment vs annihilation" debate.
  • Matthew 10:28 (NIV)
    Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

  • Check this out - he does a good job explaining that faithful are rewarded with eternal life while non-believers are punished then destroyed (body and soul) in lake of fire. Key is "destroyed" NOT kept alive to be tortured forever....
 
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Once in a while it's a good idea to just sit still and close your eyes, and shut out the world and all its noise and clamor. That is not what's real, as appealing as it might look to us when our eyes are open and taking it all in.We live in a body that is wonderfully made by God. No matter what age you are, dear reader, you are slowly dying. That is, your body is slowly dying. BUT your soul (your spirit) can not cease to exist. You are your soul, not your body. We spend far more time than we should attending to the health and beauty of the body and far too little time attending to the health and beauty of our souls (especially since our souls will live forever, for we are created in the image of God, the Bible tells us). AND God IS. Time does not have anything to do with Him. He IS Eternal; He never began, and He will never end, nor will He ever change.Your body will lie in a coffin, as will mine. But "we" (our souls) won't stay in the coffin. We must get rid of this corrupt body and inherit the incorruptible body God has prepared already for us who believe in His Son and His saving act on the Cross.In first Corinthians 15:53-55, God's Word tells us, "For this persihable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?' "No human being will ever cease to exist. A person will live either in eternal happiness with God in heaven or suffer internal torment in Hell with Satan and his evil devils.waynemlj
I believe our soul is immortal because it is the breath of eternal God.
Our identity in flesh is shed when we die.
I believe it is vanity of patriarchs drafting an extra gospel doctrine that insists we shall be here again.
Pride insists God,the supreme source in and of all existence continues our being was beyond this life and upon this world that is his creation. As if his kingdom must be made manifest here with us.
As if we are that important.

God's kingdom is all existence
that is proof God is there. We are but one creation.
Our soul,as he tells us, returns to him. Because it is of and from him. And our body returns to the dust that is also God's creation. As is everything that exists.
John 1


Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
 
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Once in a while it's a good idea to just sit still and close your eyes, and shut out the world and all its noise and clamor. That is not what's real, as appealing as it might look to us when our eyes are open and taking it all in.

Amen and Amen! In the past year or so, when I began to obey 2 Cor 10:4-5, I learned what the true divine power given us by Jesus is all about: the power to quiet our minds and still our hearts from unnecessary rubbish of vain thoughts and imaginations that come from the devil and the world.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

Be still, and know that I am God.


I now practice what I call the still time, or times of stillness. We can with power and exercise of faith truly rid our minds of any thoughts whatsoever, and I have learned how it is to be a little child again with clear conscience and mind, so that whatsoever we look out upon is simply what it is. All things become new and interesting again. (Depending on what we are looking at and hearing of course)

The world can meditate for peace, but we can have it perfectly at any time anywhere no matter is going on, by the power of Christ within us, the hope of glory.

And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

If the winds can obey Him, then so can we by His faith.

We live in a body that is wonderfully made by God. No matter what age you are, dear reader, you are slowly dying. That is, your body is slowly dying.
Amen and amen again! Where have you been? I mistakenly went to this part of the site, and I am more than glad I have,and will be resturning to it more often now.

Man's flesh was and is still being created mortal, which is also good, and there is nothing sinful about it.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


BUT your soul (your spirit) can not cease to exist. You are your soul, not your body. We spend far more time than we should attending to the health and beauty of the body and far too little time attending to the health and beauty of our souls (especially since our souls will live forever, for we are created in the image of God, the Bible tells us). AND God IS. Time does not have anything to do with Him. He IS Eternal; He never began, and He will never end, nor will He ever change.Your body will lie in a coffin, as will mine. But "we" (our souls) won't stay in the coffin. We must get rid of this corrupt body and inherit the incorruptible body God has prepared already for us who believe in His Son and His saving act on the Cross.In first Corinthians 15:53-55, God's Word tells us, "For this persihable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?' "No human being will ever cease to exist. A person will live either in eternal happiness with God in heaven or suffer internal torment in Hell with Satan and his evil devils.waynemlj

Halleluiah! Both and angels and man, and only angels and man are created spiritual everlasting beings with power of God: to think, intend, and imagine in our hearts and minds, whether for good or evil.

We will either awake to everlasting joy in the presence of the Lord, or contempt and shame apart from Him.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Natural man doesn't believe any God nor things of the Spirit, and carnal minded religions, including christian, philosophies, and mysticism only see an eternal Spirit, but not everlastingly created spirits of angels and souls of men and women.

I'll be keeping my eye on you and look for more true and good things of Scripture.
 

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Hi thesuperjag,Yes, there is such a thing as burning in hell for eternity. And, yes, what I wrote is biblical. Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."It would be a good idea for you to read the Bible on the posted topic before you rush out to make a statement that is not true.waynemlj
To be accurate, hell itself will be cast into the lake of fire, along with those souls not written in the Lamb's book of life.

Hell will give up it's souls to be judged at the great white thrown.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Of course, the practical difference is mute.

Don't let them that believe only what they want get you down. We stick to Scripture for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, to both believe and do the word.
 
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We are eternal beings!
It's obvious our mate here hasn't had a peek into a coffin three weeks after it's been buried.