Are the 144,000 literally "virgins?"

ezekiel · Jan 18, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
hmm, wadr these guys all feel the same way i guess, fwiw

One of these may get the tail.

amadeus · Jan 18, 2018

ezekiel said:
That's why you don't put a new spirit in the old flesh. The old stuff won't live as long.

Jesus called them dead. If we have Life in us, we should not do differently...

Dcopymope · Jan 18, 2018

(Revelation 14:3-4) "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. {4} These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

I think the question that needs to be asked about this verse is whether or not God considers intercourse with a woman even within marriage an act of defilement. In what way are they virgins? Are they virgins within marriage or outside of it?

bbyrd009 · Jan 18, 2018

ezekiel said:
One of these may get the tail.

but the point is that if even they can justify doing God's will, how much easier must it be for the many, who will be crying 'LordLord.'
Who all had tails in the womb, in case i am misunderstanding you

bbyrd009 · Jan 18, 2018

ezekiel said:
That's why you don't put a new spirit in the old flesh. The old stuff won't live as long.

being transformed is thus revealed to be a process here, imo. I am, incidentally, much healthier now at 55 than i was at 25

bbyrd009 · Jan 18, 2018

Dcopymope said:
I think the question that needs to be asked about this verse is whether or not God considers intercourse with a woman even within marriage an act of defilement. In what way are they virgins? Are they virgins within marriage or outside of it?

wadr defiled with women has a symbolic significance too, that is likely more pertinent there. Even if these certainly would not be promiscuous types i guess

Dcopymope · Jan 18, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
wadr defiled with women has a symbolic significance too, that is likely more pertinent there. Even if these certainly would not be promiscuous types i guess

Well, the OP is asking if they are literally virgins, which makes no sense when considering the context. At face value, I would have to conclude that the mere act of intercourse with a woman even in marriage defiles me in the eyes of God, of which scripture states no such thing anywhere, new and old testament. So yes, this may be symbolic of something else. Them being virgins may have something to do with Christ's parable of the ten virgins.

(Matthew 25:1-13) "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. {2} And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. {3} They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: {4} But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. {5} While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. {6} And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. {7} Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. {8} And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. {9} But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. {10} And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. {11} Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. {12} But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. {13} Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

They may be considered "virgins" in a sense of being seen as spotless from sin in the eyes of God because of the blood of the Lamb.

(Revelation 14:4-5) "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. {5} And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

ezekiel · Jan 19, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
but the point is that if even they can justify doing God's will, how much easier must it be for the many, who will be crying 'LordLord.'
Who all had tails in the womb, in case i am misunderstanding you

I am the tail

ezekiel · Jan 19, 2018

Dcopymope said:
I think the question that needs to be asked about this verse is whether or not God considers intercourse with a woman even within marriage an act of defilement. In what way are they virgins? Are they virgins within marriage or outside of it?

He said be fruitful and multiply. That is not a sin in marriage.

ezekiel · Jan 19, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
this isn't one, but can you quote some Scripture for this? ty

Don't tell me that you think its a flat earth like some others.

ezekiel · Jan 19, 2018

michaelvpardo said:
Zechariah chapter 12, Revelation 7:4

Jews are from the tribe of Judah, just one of the 12

bbyrd009 · Jan 19, 2018

ezekiel said:
Don't tell me that you think its a flat earth like some others.

no, but "bottomless pit?" earth?

michaelvpardo · Jan 19, 2018

ezekiel said:
Jews are from the tribe of Judah, just one of the 12

Zechariah speaks to each tribe mourning in its turn.

ezekiel · Jan 19, 2018

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

The number is stated two ways and what would you think, why, God has done this. Same number 144000 in number but written its different.

ezekiel · Jan 19, 2018

Are they the same people, this group made it thru the GT and are still on earth they still have night and day.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

When God speaks to some they hear His voice but others may here thunder. The song would seem as if it would be things they should tell people. Kinda like a preacher but could be the most unlikely one too.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Dcopymope · Jan 20, 2018

ezekiel said:
He said be fruitful and multiply. That is not a sin in marriage.

Then its obviously not referring to them literally being virgins, as if them not being literally virgins defiles them in Gods sight. If that be the case, then the vast majority of Christians are not saved.

n2thelight · Feb 1, 2018

They are virgins because they didn't take the mark,meaning they didn't turn into whores as most of Christianity will........

mjrhealth · Feb 1, 2018

n2thelight said:
They are virgins because they didn't take the mark,meaning they didn't turn into whores as most of Christianity will........

Has...

n2thelight · Feb 1, 2018

mjrhealth said:
Has...

Can't be "has" as the antichrist has yet to arrive.

mjrhealth · Feb 1, 2018

All mens religions are part of the harlot church, being that way since Christs resurection...

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