What is the "New Creature"?

Miss Hepburn · Jan 20, 2018

....We were changed instantly by His grace in spirit when we were born again. We now have a "new man" (spiritual, in Christ) and an "old man" (flesh, of the world). Our new man (spirit) has a "renewed mind". . .

I am still kinda shocked at how I am not the old me anymore..like I was given a brain transplant !
If you only knew the
worldly problems or issues I face in this earthly life, (which you will never hear me talk about)...you would think I was some Buddhist monk of detachment and wisdom and calm...
ALL because of God's transforming Grace showing me Divine Insights galore along with His transforming Divine Love...and if anyone hasn't exp'd that inside,
up close and personal...It is nothing like any human love!

☺

Godssrvr · Jan 20, 2018

Amen Miss Hepburn, His Spirit bears witness with our spirit! We experience His power when we walk with Him.

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Helen · Jan 20, 2018

Godssrvr said:
The way I understand scripture is teaching, We were changed instantly by His grace in spirit when we were born again. We now have a "new man" (spiritual, in Christ) and an "old man" (flesh, of the world). Our new man (spirit) has a "renewed mind". It is the mind of Christ. At any given time we either walk "after the flesh" or "after the Spirit". If we are walking after the flesh, we do not have the mind of Christ, but if we are after the Spirit, we do. We "put off" the old man, or put on the new man, but neither one stays on permanently. I have experienced this "old man" all too well in my Christian life I'm sorry to say.

Amen..well said... It is he non permanence of remaining /abiding in the new man that is our problem. I believe it always will be. That is the 'work of believing and holding fast to the faith. ( believing what HE says about us, not what the old man feels like)
But praise God Rom 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out..." There is a place of permanence....that is the goal that we "press toward.."

Jay Ross · Jan 20, 2018

Godssrvr said:
The way I understand scripture is teaching, We were changed instantly by His grace in spirit when we were born again. We now have a "new man" (spiritual, in Christ) and an "old man" (flesh, of the world). Our new man (spirit) has a "renewed mind". It is the mind of Christ. At any given time we either walk "after the flesh" or "after the Spirit". If we are walking after the flesh, we do not have the mind of Christ, but if we are after the Spirit, we do. We "put off" the old man, or put on the new man, but neither one stays on permanently. I have experienced this "old man" all too well in my Christian life I'm sorry to say.

When Christ told the people to "Go and sin no more.", he was not saying that they would not sin no more, He was telling them to make the decision to not sin any more.

When we decide to "believe in Him whom he has sent," John 6, it is the starting point to allowing our minds to be renewed from what we learn, but if we do not also deliberately put on the "refreshed", made like new again," person that God intended us to be from the beginning of time, then we will sin and fall short of the Glory of God. God allows us to make that choice and throughout our physical life, we are continually making that choice every day we wake up. Yes the Holy Spirit helps us and prompts us to make the right choices in life, but the final decision is still ours.

God loves us because of who we are and have become in our relationship with Him. In the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats separation, God separates the Sheep, who have a heart after God's heart from the Goats, the people who want to get into heaven even though they do not have a heart after God, yet call God/Jesus, "Lord, Lord." In Matthew Jesus said of those who were performing miracles and casting out demons, that He did not know them, because of the attitude of their heart.

It is our responsibility to make the right judgement calls, and not God's. He draws us to Himself, but the decision as to whether or not we accept His terms of peace is still ours to make.

Shalom

Godssrvr · Jan 20, 2018

Jay Ross said:
It is our responsibility to make the right judgement calls, and not God's. He draws us to Himself, but the decision as to whether or not we accept His terms of peace is still ours to make.

What do you believe His "terms of peace" are Jay?

Godssrvr · Jan 20, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
But praise God Rom 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out..." There is a place of permanence....that is the goal that we "press toward.."

I haven't been here long and I'm still trying to determine what people believe so please excuse the question but, how do you believe scripture teaches we "overcome", and are you speaking in terms of salvation?

aspen · Jan 20, 2018

Miss Hepburn said:
I am still kinda shocked at how I am not the old me anymore..like I was given a brain transplant !
If you only knew the
worldly problems or issues I face in this earthly life, (which you will never hear me talk about)...you would think I was some Buddhist monk of detachment and wisdom and calm...
ALL because of God's transforming Grace showing me Divine Insights galore along with His transforming Divine Love...and if anyone hasn't exp'd that inside,
up close and personal...It is nothing like any human love!

☺

When did this transformation happen?

Helen · Jan 20, 2018

Godssrvr said:
I haven't been here long and I'm still trying to determine what people believe so please excuse the question but, how do you believe scripture teaches we "overcome", and are you speaking in terms of salvation?

The only way I know biblically to overcome as we walk this path homeward, is the daily choice, the hourly choice , His way or my way...His life or my life?
Choice...
As Gene Edwards used to say- " When you get out of bed in the morning who's life are you going to live in?"

Deut:- "I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life.."
We choose until we pass over..then we hope we hear the- " Well done Overcomer.."
How about you?
BTW, I hope I welcomed you to the Site...if not, welcome.

Godssrvr · Jan 20, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
BTW, I hope I welcomed you to the Site...if not, welcome.

Thank you so much!

Let me rephrase my question, are you speaking of overcoming as a Christian, or to be a Christian?

aspen · Jan 20, 2018

Living from the true self without the ego / old man / fig leaves is transformation

Helen · Jan 20, 2018

Godssrvr said:
Thank you so much!

Let me rephrase my question, are you speaking of overcoming as a Christian, or to be a Christian?

I never heard of any non-christians "overcoming" ...they wouldn't even know the phrase.
The only place I have ever read about overcoming is the seven time in Rev 3

Godssrvr · Jan 20, 2018

An unbeliever overcomes by faith. Once a believer has been born again, they have received eternal life. Believers overcome sin by walking in the Spirit (Gal. 5:16). There are many that think scripture teaches the believer must overcome sin and "persevere" to be saved. I believe that is a false gospel based on scripture. Just one example......

1 John 5:4-5
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Miss Hepburn · Jan 20, 2018

aspen said:
When did this transformation happen?

October 2005... a Sunday, 10:35 am for 5 hours that continued for 2 years and
changed my life.
Then , a double reinforcing whammy July 2009 at a Bible Conference....well, then 5 days later a triple whammy my healing then manifested physically...then this time and that time over and over it seems.
Oh boy...then that Sunday 8am ish January 24, 2016....oh that was the Tsunami of transformations...that was when God showed me Him.
Ahhh...thank you for asking...

Jay Ross · Jan 20, 2018

Godssrvr said:
What do you believe His "terms of peace" are Jay?

Is not one of them, "Go and sin no more."?

mjrhealth · Jan 20, 2018

Jay Ross said:
Is not one of them, "Go and sin no more."?

Try see how well you do....

Godssrvr · Jan 21, 2018

Jay Ross said:
Is not one of them, "Go and sin no more."?

Read the scripture carefully and with great thought Jay, then think strongly on the question asked with this scripture in mind.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

If it is impossible to have any righteousness of our own before God, why did He tell anyone to "go and sin no more"? He may as well have told a dead man to swim the ocean. It's not possible for anyone to be sinless, even after we are saved, much less before! In Luke 18:27 Jesus says "what is impossible with man, is possible with God".

The only way anyone is saved is by the power of God through faith alone. The gospel is the power of God to everyone that believes (Romans 1:16). When a believer trusts Christ as Savior, that believer who was "dead in trespasses and sins" (Eph. 2:1) is "quickened together with Christ". They are spiritually made alive, and are made one spirit with the Lord (1 Cor. 6:17). God doesn't try to teach a dead man how to be sinless, he removes the man from his sin through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This is spiritual baptism, not of water. We are "born again" into Christ. He gives life to us by being made one with Him.

Salvation to eternal life isn't what we can do for Him, but trusting in what He has done for us. When we trust Him, we are saved at that instant for all eternity (Col. 1:12-14). Take a few minutes and read all of Ephesians 2. Think about what verses 13-18 are telling you. Salvation is "in Christ Jesus" and by faith in His blood, believers are made one with Him. Salvation isn't about you or I becoming sinless, it's about being made sinless through being made one with Christ. We couldn't possibly make ourselves acceptable, so believers are "made accepted in the beloved", receiving His righteousness!

Ephesians 1:6
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

rockytopva · Jan 21, 2018

David Sullins, “Recollections of an Old Man – Seventy Years in Dixie” Testimony - His version of becoming a new creation....

I was converted in my twelfth year, in the old log church in the town of Athens, Tn. Our place of worship was two miles in the country at Cedar Springs; but occasionally when there were no services at our church, we went to town to preaching. Rev. Frank Fanning was the preacher. I sat with my hands between my knees to keep them warm, and listened to the preacher. There came into my childish heart a feeling unknown before—a strange sense of the nearness and love of Jesus, of whom mother had so often spoken to me. I felt that I loved him. A simple, childlike tenderness filled my heart and I felt that he loved me. It was a most delightful sensation. I think I wept for very joy, but said nothing. It was all so new and strange and sweet that I knew nothing to say. I looked over to the seat where father and mother were seated, and such a flood of love for them swept through me that I could hardly repress the desire to run and hug them. I did actually love everybody and everything. And that sweet feeling stayed with me after the benediction. It stayed with me all about the house and barn, singing in my heart when alone in the woods; and I wanted to pray, and did not want my dog to catch that little rabbit and kill it.

Do you ask, "What was it?" I never once thought what it was. I was happy and peaceful, and everybody was good, and that was enough. Sometimes I would stay around mother and wish she would tell me to do something, that I might have the pleasure of showing her how quickly and well I could do it. It did not occur to me that I had religion. Indeed, I hardly thought a boy could get religion except at Cedar Springs Camp Meeting. But that sweet, love-everybody feeling staid with me till camp meeting. I was glad when that came. At the first call I went to the mourners' bench, and down in the straw father and mother and brother and sister came, and we prayed together, and I began to laugh and hug them. It was the same old feeling of love and tenderness which I felt on the Sunday six months before. I said: "I've got religion. Hallelujah!" It was true, and I have never had any better, and all I want now is more of it!

Godssrvr · Jan 21, 2018

rockytopva said:
David Sullins, “Recollections of an Old Man – Seventy Years in Dixie” Testimony - His version of becoming a new creation....

Nice story, thanks for sharing!

I would add that this is a description of the love we can feel for God and others when we have become a new creation and "walk in the Spirit". The new creation is that which is quickened with Christ Jesus (born of the Spirit). Our flesh was not born of Spirit, but of flesh. The love that comes from God is a different love than that which is of man. Love is a fruit of the Spirit. In fact, it's first on the list. This kind of love originates with God, and we only bear His fruit as we Walk in the Spirit (Gal. 5:16).

I believe to walk in the Spirit is to keep our minds stayed on God and His grace given to us. To be not conformed of this world but transformed by the renewing of our minds as we learn and follow His Word in order to know and please Him.

Jay Ross · Jan 21, 2018

Godssrvr said:
Read the scripture carefully and with great thought Jay, then think strongly on the question asked with this scripture in mind.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

If it is impossible to have any righteousness of our own before God, why did He tell anyone to "go and sin no more"? He may as well have told a dead man to swim the ocean. It's not possible for anyone to be sinless, even after we are saved, much less before! In Luke 18:27 Jesus says "what is impossible with man, is possible with God".

The only way anyone is saved is by the power of God through faith alone. The gospel is the power of God to everyone that believes (Romans 1:16). When a believer trusts Christ as Savior, that believer who was "dead in trespasses and sins" (Eph. 2:1) is "quickened together with Christ". They are spiritually made alive, and are made one spirit with the Lord (1 Cor. 6:17). God doesn't try to teach a dead man how to be sinless, he removes the man from his sin through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This is spiritual baptism, not of water. We are "born again" into Christ. He gives life to us by being made one with Him.

Salvation to eternal life isn't what we can do for Him, but trusting in what He has done for us. When we trust Him, we are saved at that instant for all eternity (Col. 1:12-14). Take a few minutes and read all of Ephesians 2. Think about what verses 13-18 are telling you. Salvation is "in Christ Jesus" and by faith in His blood, believers are made one with Him. Salvation isn't about you or I becoming sinless, it's about being made sinless through being made one with Christ. We couldn't possibly make ourselves acceptable, so believers are "made accepted in the beloved", receiving His righteousness!

Ephesians 1:6
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

It seems your argument is with Christ because He was the one who said those words on a number of occasions in His interactions with people who he crossed paths with.

Godssrvr · Jan 21, 2018

So it is your opinion that a person can live sinless? It's not my argument with Christ, but yours Jay. I just showed you scripture saying it's impossible. That would cause most people who practice humility to wonder if their understanding of the scripture was in error. We have to seek the truth to find it, but we can't desire to know the truth until we humble ourselves.

Matthew 18:1-4
18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

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