I was going to introduce myself in the approperiate forum, however I perhaps would just be repeating myself here so *waves a hello*.I'm at this point in time leaning towards an agnostic atheist, but don't get me wrong here. I mean no trouble or anything like that. I just want answers to my questions. Yes I'll say why I can't believe something is so, or say I don't understand or things to that effect, even provide evidence to the contray to what you answer... but this is not meant as any sort of attack on anyone or any religion, simply that I want believe and I need the proof and answers in order to do so. This is part of my "quest" if you like to do so. Hopefully some of you can help me, even if that means I go away only confirming I'm an agnostic athiest, but I'm open minded.So I guess I'll give you guys some background on me just so you know where I'm coming from a little better.I'm not from a particularly religious family. I was baptised but my parents and immediate family, don't go to church (apart from Weddings, Funerals, etc). Christmas/Easter came up at school as traditonal and delving into Christianity somewhat.I had a few friends who were religious and on a few occasions attened church with them, but honestly found it confusing.Yet, I became a Christian and have been for far back as I can remember - just never regularly attended Church.Always had a great interest in Science and wanted everything explaining to me, I suppose I was one of those "why?" kids... but I genuinely wanted to know the answers. However religion never really came into this questioning.Last year I had a bad year and events thereof one day pulled me off the tracks... that's not to say I did anything bad, I just sort of took a huge step back and didn't understand why I believed in God, etc.Since then, I questioned it and found the truth only in science.So as you can imagine, I have many questions. At this point, I know I'm going to forget some, so I don't know if perhaps I should add those I think off the this thread (would be good to have all my information in one place for me) or if the board requires me to start a new topic.But on with the questions:1.) Why should I believe in God / Be a Christian?2.) Why would God allow such bad things happen to me?3.) What about Evolution? And science?4.) What if an athiest lived a just life, would he be denied Heaven just for not believing? And what of people from other religions?5.) Have you ever experiences a miracle that cannot be other wise explained?6.) Why should homosexuals and other groups be so excluded?7.) Have you ever questioned your faith? Why or why not?Okay I'm sure there's more but I think that will do for now. Thank you anyone who replies. I appreciate it.
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I was going to introduce myself in the approperiate forum, however I perhaps would just be repeating myself here so *waves a hello*.So as you can imagine, I have many questions. At this point, I know I'm going to forget some, so I don't know if perhaps I should add those I think off the this thread (would be good to have all my information in one place for me) or if the board requires me to start a new topic.But on with the questions:1.) Why should I believe in God / Be a Christian?
You have two choices in this life. You can believe in Christ or you fall into Satan's camp. You may not want to but you will. He is the way so it is important that you spend your time searching for Him.
2.) Why would God allow such bad things happen to me?
I don't know what those "things" are but get over it. Everyone has problems of some sort, some much, much worse than others. He doesn't promise you a bed of roses in this life but promises you eternal love and happiness IF you follow Him, IF you seek Him, IF you believe in His Son....the One that died on the cross for us.He does take care of His Elect but I don't think you are yet ready to learn about them. You must begin at the beginning and seek Him by asking Him into your life....He will answer. :angel9: He does love you and He does want you to be with Him but there are IF's to His promises.
3.) What about Evolution? And science?
There is no evolution. We are as He made us....in His image. Proper interpretation of the Bible tells us that this world is millions or billions of years old. It does not disagree with science at all...but it does with certain teachers of His Word. Rise above that and open your mind to His truth and love.
4.) What if an athiest lived a just life, would he be denied Heaven just for not believing? And what of people from other religions?
No one is "denied heaven." No one is killed at the end of this age. If you believe in Christ and didn't take the mark of the beast in Satan's tribulation then you are in one part of the millennium with Christ. If you didn't, if you follow Satan, fell for his deceit or just didn't care about Christ or didn't believe in Him then you are on the other side. You will be taught during the millennium without any influence from Satan but.....you will have to be tested again at the end of that 1000 years. If you fail then, and many will, then your soul is thrown in the lake of fire.
5.) Have you ever experiences a miracle that cannot be other wise explained?
YES I HAVE
6.) Why should homosexuals and other groups be so excluded?
God has rules. They disobey. It is an abomination to Him and others.
7.) Have you ever questioned your faith? Why or why not?
Yes, when I was young and had not studied His Word. Since then no I have not. I see more and more each time I study. He is very real.
Okay I'm sure there's more but I think that will do for now. Thank you anyone who replies. I appreciate it.
You are very welcome......Whirlwind
I was going to introduce myself in the approperiate forum, however I perhaps would just be repeating myself here so *waves a hello*.So as you can imagine, I have many questions. At this point, I know I'm going to forget some, so I don't know if perhaps I should add those I think off the this thread (would be good to have all my information in one place for me) or if the board requires me to start a new topic.But on with the questions:1.) Why should I believe in God / Be a Christian?
You have two choices in this life. You can believe in Christ or you fall into Satan's camp. You may not want to but you will. He is the way so it is important that you spend your time searching for Him.
2.) Why would God allow such bad things happen to me?
I don't know what those "things" are but get over it. Everyone has problems of some sort, some much, much worse than others. He doesn't promise you a bed of roses in this life but promises you eternal love and happiness IF you follow Him, IF you seek Him, IF you believe in His Son....the One that died on the cross for us.He does take care of His Elect but I don't think you are yet ready to learn about them. You must begin at the beginning and seek Him by asking Him into your life....He will answer. :angel9: He does love you and He does want you to be with Him but there are IF's to His promises.
3.) What about Evolution? And science?
There is no evolution. We are as He made us....in His image. Proper interpretation of the Bible tells us that this world is millions or billions of years old. It does not disagree with science at all...but it does with certain teachers of His Word. Rise above that and open your mind to His truth and love.
4.) What if an athiest lived a just life, would he be denied Heaven just for not believing? And what of people from other religions?
No one is "denied heaven." No one is killed at the end of this age. If you believe in Christ and didn't take the mark of the beast in Satan's tribulation then you are in one part of the millennium with Christ. If you didn't, if you follow Satan, fell for his deceit or just didn't care about Christ or didn't believe in Him then you are on the other side. You will be taught during the millennium without any influence from Satan but.....you will have to be tested again at the end of that 1000 years. If you fail then, and many will, then your soul is thrown in the lake of fire.
5.) Have you ever experiences a miracle that cannot be other wise explained?
YES I HAVE
6.) Why should homosexuals and other groups be so excluded?
God has rules. They disobey. It is an abomination to Him and others.
7.) Have you ever questioned your faith? Why or why not?
Yes, when I was young and had not studied His Word. Since then no I have not. I see more and more each time I study. He is very real.
Okay I'm sure there's more but I think that will do for now. Thank you anyone who replies. I appreciate it.
You are very welcome......Whirlwind
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You have two choices in this life. You can believe in Christ or you fall into Satan's camp. You may not want to but you will. He is the way so it is important that you spend your time searching for Him.
Why if I don't believe in Christ, should I automatically part of "satans camp"?
I don't know what those "things" are but get over it. Everyone has problems of some sort, some much, much worse than others. He doesn't promise you a bed of roses in this life but promises you eternal love and happiness IF you follow Him, IF you seek Him, IF you believe in His Son....the One that died on the cross for us.
I did but yet, I wasn't happy. Don't get me wrong here, I don't exactly expect the easiest life the world but I do expect protection. (If expect if the right word to use).
He does take care of His Elect but I don't think you are yet ready to learn about them. You must begin at the beginning and seek Him by asking Him into your life....He will answer. :angel9: He does love you and He does want you to be with Him but there are IF's to His promises.
So he chooses the people he takes care of?
There is no evolution. We are as He made us....in His image. Proper interpretation of the Bible tells us that this world is millions or billions of years old. It does not disagree with science at all...but it does with certain teachers of His Word. Rise above that and open your mind to His truth and love.
So it doesn't disagree with sciene but there's no evolution. I'm confused.
No one is "denied heaven." No one is killed at the end of this age. If you believe in Christ and didn't take the mark of the beast in Satan's tribulation then you are in one part of the millennium with Christ. If you didn't, if you follow Satan, fell for his deceit or just didn't care about Christ or didn't believe in Him then you are on the other side. You will be taught during the millennium without any influence from Satan but.....you will have to be tested again at the end of that 1000 years. If you fail then, and many will, then your soul is thrown in the lake of fire.
So if a person lives a good life (of course given that everyone makes mistakes, everyone has sinned; at least once) but doesn't believe in Christ what then?I'm a bit confused by what you said, clarify for me here... basically a person who is not sided with Satan gets a "second chance" (for lack of better wording)?
YES I HAVE
Care to share?
God has rules. They disobey. It is an abomination to Him and others.
How so? Yes I realise this must have been explained many times but different people, different views and all.Is it really so wrong for two people to love each other?
You have two choices in this life. You can believe in Christ or you fall into Satan's camp. You may not want to but you will. He is the way so it is important that you spend your time searching for Him.
Why if I don't believe in Christ, should I automatically part of "satans camp"?
I don't know what those "things" are but get over it. Everyone has problems of some sort, some much, much worse than others. He doesn't promise you a bed of roses in this life but promises you eternal love and happiness IF you follow Him, IF you seek Him, IF you believe in His Son....the One that died on the cross for us.
I did but yet, I wasn't happy. Don't get me wrong here, I don't exactly expect the easiest life the world but I do expect protection. (If expect if the right word to use).
He does take care of His Elect but I don't think you are yet ready to learn about them. You must begin at the beginning and seek Him by asking Him into your life....He will answer. :angel9: He does love you and He does want you to be with Him but there are IF's to His promises.
So he chooses the people he takes care of?
There is no evolution. We are as He made us....in His image. Proper interpretation of the Bible tells us that this world is millions or billions of years old. It does not disagree with science at all...but it does with certain teachers of His Word. Rise above that and open your mind to His truth and love.
So it doesn't disagree with sciene but there's no evolution. I'm confused.
No one is "denied heaven." No one is killed at the end of this age. If you believe in Christ and didn't take the mark of the beast in Satan's tribulation then you are in one part of the millennium with Christ. If you didn't, if you follow Satan, fell for his deceit or just didn't care about Christ or didn't believe in Him then you are on the other side. You will be taught during the millennium without any influence from Satan but.....you will have to be tested again at the end of that 1000 years. If you fail then, and many will, then your soul is thrown in the lake of fire.
So if a person lives a good life (of course given that everyone makes mistakes, everyone has sinned; at least once) but doesn't believe in Christ what then?I'm a bit confused by what you said, clarify for me here... basically a person who is not sided with Satan gets a "second chance" (for lack of better wording)?
YES I HAVE
Care to share?
God has rules. They disobey. It is an abomination to Him and others.
How so? Yes I realise this must have been explained many times but different people, different views and all.Is it really so wrong for two people to love each other?
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Why if I don't believe in Christ, should I automatically part of "satans camp"?
There are only two paths.
I did but yet, I wasn't happy. Don't get me wrong here, I don't exactly expect the easiest life the world but I do expect protection. (If expect if the right word to use).
May I ask what you have done for Him? Have you prayed? Have you thanked him for what you do have, the food you eat, the bed you sleep in...the very air you breath? Have you asked for knowledge and understanding of His Word so you can be closer to Him?
So he chooses the people he takes care of?
He has ones that are called His elect, or chosen but it is because of what they did in the first age. They earned it. Others can become part of that by simply loving Him and following Him....that is all He asks.
So it doesn't disagree with sciene but there's no evolution. I'm confused.
That was confusing...sorry. There is no evolution - science is wrong on stating that man evolved from anything. Science is correct on the earth being ancient and that is what doesn't disagree with the Biblical narration.
So if a person lives a good life (of course given that everyone makes mistakes, everyone has sinned; at least once) but doesn't believe in Christ what then?
You could be Mother Teresa and not believe in Christ and you will spend the millennium on the "wrong side." You MUST believe in Him.
I'm a bit confused by what you said, clarify for me here... basically a person who is not sided with Satan gets a "second chance" (for lack of better wording)?
No, even those that have followed Satan in this age will be taught during the millennium without any influence from him...there will be no Islam, no Buddism, etc. It is not a second chance as you can see they don't truly have a first chance to find Christ. There will be many Christians in that group too. It is not only those that don't believe in Him but also those that don't maintain that belief during the tribulation of Satan. You see, Satan comes to earth in the guise of Christ to deceive us. Many Christians that have not been taught that truth will mistakenly worship him. In doing so they will "take the mark of the beast." Anyone that takes that mark (believes his lies...there will not be an implanted chip
) will experience the wrath of God being poured out. Those that waited for the true Saviour will be there (there is no rapture) but He knows His children and they will be protected.
Care to share?
Maybe another time.
How so? Yes I realise this must have been explained many times but different people, different views and all.Is it really so wrong for two people to love each other?
There is never anything wrong with love. But what you are talking about, in most cases, is not love but lust, sex. It is wrong. I believe there are circumstances where two of the same gender truly love each other but it is their cross to bear. A drug addict loves his drugs but it is wrong. A rapist may love to rape or murder but it is wrong. I know the difference in this being between two consenting people but it is still wrong.........Whirlwind
Why if I don't believe in Christ, should I automatically part of "satans camp"?
There are only two paths.
I did but yet, I wasn't happy. Don't get me wrong here, I don't exactly expect the easiest life the world but I do expect protection. (If expect if the right word to use).
May I ask what you have done for Him? Have you prayed? Have you thanked him for what you do have, the food you eat, the bed you sleep in...the very air you breath? Have you asked for knowledge and understanding of His Word so you can be closer to Him?
So he chooses the people he takes care of?
He has ones that are called His elect, or chosen but it is because of what they did in the first age. They earned it. Others can become part of that by simply loving Him and following Him....that is all He asks.
So it doesn't disagree with sciene but there's no evolution. I'm confused.
That was confusing...sorry. There is no evolution - science is wrong on stating that man evolved from anything. Science is correct on the earth being ancient and that is what doesn't disagree with the Biblical narration.
So if a person lives a good life (of course given that everyone makes mistakes, everyone has sinned; at least once) but doesn't believe in Christ what then?
You could be Mother Teresa and not believe in Christ and you will spend the millennium on the "wrong side." You MUST believe in Him.
I'm a bit confused by what you said, clarify for me here... basically a person who is not sided with Satan gets a "second chance" (for lack of better wording)?
No, even those that have followed Satan in this age will be taught during the millennium without any influence from him...there will be no Islam, no Buddism, etc. It is not a second chance as you can see they don't truly have a first chance to find Christ. There will be many Christians in that group too. It is not only those that don't believe in Him but also those that don't maintain that belief during the tribulation of Satan. You see, Satan comes to earth in the guise of Christ to deceive us. Many Christians that have not been taught that truth will mistakenly worship him. In doing so they will "take the mark of the beast." Anyone that takes that mark (believes his lies...there will not be an implanted chip
Care to share?
Maybe another time.
How so? Yes I realise this must have been explained many times but different people, different views and all.Is it really so wrong for two people to love each other?
There is never anything wrong with love. But what you are talking about, in most cases, is not love but lust, sex. It is wrong. I believe there are circumstances where two of the same gender truly love each other but it is their cross to bear. A drug addict loves his drugs but it is wrong. A rapist may love to rape or murder but it is wrong. I know the difference in this being between two consenting people but it is still wrong.........Whirlwind
Maybe he's called Whirlwind because of the way he makes your head feel when reading his responses
1.) Why should I believe in God / Be a Christian?
God has commanded all men to repent and believe. The gospel is not optional, and is only available through faith in Christ. Belief in God is an obviously necessary precondition for faith in Christ, thus you should believe in God.
2.) Why would God allow such bad things happen to me?
The question assumes that "those things" are bad. God may view them as good, and if so, then your question could be equally justified as "why would God allow such good things to happen to me?" The Bible says that the elect "know" that all things work together for our good, including what we would consider the "bad."
3.) What about Evolution? And science?
What about them? Please specify your main concerns and their relation to the questions.
4.) What if an athiest lived a just life, would he be denied Heaven just for not believing? And what of people from other religions?
It is impossible for any man to live a just life. Jesus was the only life lived acceptable unto God. He was fully human and fully God, able to bridge the chasm between man and God. His perfect life earned the righteousness that is applied to those for whom He died. His death atoned for their sins as the sacrifice to appease God's wrath. Jesus received God's wrath as the substitute of those for whom He came to live and die for. Christians believe this, the heathen reject this. Christians receive eternal life and peace with God, the heathen are flicked into the eternal hell of conscious torment.
5.) Have you ever experiences a miracle that cannot be other wise explained?
No. In order to call it a miracle, explanation, at least in part, is required. An unexplained phenomenon does not exist in the Christian world and life view. I have experienced miracles though, however, they are not unexplained - they're miraculous works of God!
6.) Why should homosexuals and other groups be so excluded?
Your question has to do with the exclusivity of Christianity. Christianity has a sacred text called the Bible. The Bible is the most reliable historical document of antiquity. In this Bible is found what to believe and how to live (doctrine and morals). The Bible reveals that God views homosexuality as an abominable sin, and views those that condone it equally abominable. It is also revealed that homosexuals and fornicators in general for that matter, are excluded from the kingdom of God.7.) Have you ever questioned your faith? Why or why not?No. Christianity is unique in that it iffers what we call "full assurance of salvation." Some will doubt, but they have no valid reason to. If one doubts, all he has to do is read the book of 1 John and he should be fully assured of his salvation. You really can't doubt faith, it is generally the object of your faith that is in doubt.I hope this helps. If there are any particular points that you want for me to elaborate on, feel free to ask or hit me up on my blog. Either way, you'll get a response!
1.) Why should I believe in God / Be a Christian?
God has commanded all men to repent and believe. The gospel is not optional, and is only available through faith in Christ. Belief in God is an obviously necessary precondition for faith in Christ, thus you should believe in God.
2.) Why would God allow such bad things happen to me?
The question assumes that "those things" are bad. God may view them as good, and if so, then your question could be equally justified as "why would God allow such good things to happen to me?" The Bible says that the elect "know" that all things work together for our good, including what we would consider the "bad."
3.) What about Evolution? And science?
What about them? Please specify your main concerns and their relation to the questions.
4.) What if an athiest lived a just life, would he be denied Heaven just for not believing? And what of people from other religions?
It is impossible for any man to live a just life. Jesus was the only life lived acceptable unto God. He was fully human and fully God, able to bridge the chasm between man and God. His perfect life earned the righteousness that is applied to those for whom He died. His death atoned for their sins as the sacrifice to appease God's wrath. Jesus received God's wrath as the substitute of those for whom He came to live and die for. Christians believe this, the heathen reject this. Christians receive eternal life and peace with God, the heathen are flicked into the eternal hell of conscious torment.
5.) Have you ever experiences a miracle that cannot be other wise explained?
No. In order to call it a miracle, explanation, at least in part, is required. An unexplained phenomenon does not exist in the Christian world and life view. I have experienced miracles though, however, they are not unexplained - they're miraculous works of God!
6.) Why should homosexuals and other groups be so excluded?
Your question has to do with the exclusivity of Christianity. Christianity has a sacred text called the Bible. The Bible is the most reliable historical document of antiquity. In this Bible is found what to believe and how to live (doctrine and morals). The Bible reveals that God views homosexuality as an abominable sin, and views those that condone it equally abominable. It is also revealed that homosexuals and fornicators in general for that matter, are excluded from the kingdom of God.7.) Have you ever questioned your faith? Why or why not?No. Christianity is unique in that it iffers what we call "full assurance of salvation." Some will doubt, but they have no valid reason to. If one doubts, all he has to do is read the book of 1 John and he should be fully assured of his salvation. You really can't doubt faith, it is generally the object of your faith that is in doubt.I hope this helps. If there are any particular points that you want for me to elaborate on, feel free to ask or hit me up on my blog. Either way, you'll get a response!
You may want to check out the thread,"people not believing Jesus died for them" on the nonbelievers forum. On pgs. 3 and 4, garbage man and I had a discussion about some of these same topics. I'm not saying I have all of the answers, but maybe it will give you something to think about or have a comment or question about. I am very disturbed when I see these kinds of threads because I immediately have a burden for your soul. I will be praying for you as I have been for garbage man to find THE TRUTH, who is none other than Jesus Christ.***This song tells how I feel and how others do too.Please try and overlook my human side. I know I'm such a bad example and you know I'm so full of pride. But Jesus isn't like that. No, He's perfect all the way. I guess that's why we need Him 'cause by ourselves there's just no way. And it's only that I care. I really, really only just want to see you there.
1.) Why should I believe in God / Be a Christian?2.) Why would God allow such bad things happen to me?3.) What about Evolution? And science?4.) What if an athiest lived a just life, would he be denied Heaven just for not believing? And what of people from other religions?5.) Have you ever experiences a miracle that cannot be other wise explained?6.) Why should homosexuals and other groups be so excluded?7.) Have you ever questioned your faith? Why or why not?1) Why not believe in God?! To be a christian is to believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins so that we may gain salvation and have eternal life. Why would you not want those things when all you have to do is believe. Its our free gift.2) I have had many people ask me this question before, I have a friend at school who is an agnostic and who's parents are athiest so he is full of mixed up lies. First of all God didn't create evil, evil started when lucifer challenged God and lucifer and his angels were cast down to earth. In the Garden of Eden nothing bad ever happened to Adam and Even until they fell into Lucifers trap, this is when evil was introduced to human kind. We brought evil upon ourselves! I would like to ask you a question, if God went ahead and stopped anything bad from ever happening do you think you would look to God? Probably not! Why would you, if you had everything you wanted and nothing bad ever happened to you then you would have no reason to look to God. God desires a relationship with us, and the evils of this world lead us to him. Again God didn't create evil, he isn't cursing us to trick us into coming to him. Satan is the cause of alot of the evil that happens in our lives, we ourselves even bring evil into our lives. Satan unknowingly pushes us closer to God by doing these "bad things" to us. So if you wanna say God 'allows' these things to happen, then he allows them to happen for our benefit! So we can have a relationship with him and gain eternal life!3) As far as science goes, I don't really study to much of science. I prefer the bible its all the truth I need. But when science is asked of me, like the big bang theory. I like to respond with yes, I believe in the big bang theory. God said bang! and it happend
But I will leave the more serious science discussions to others that know more about science.4) The simple answer is yes. God doesn't ask for alot, all he asks is that we have faith. If they don't have that than they will not have their names in the book of life. So they will not go to heaven. Its hard for us to understand because their are so many people that are 'good' people but don't believe in God. The bible tells us that the road to eternal life is a narrow path that few will travel. The road to hell is a broad street that many will follow. Matthew 7:13-145) I'm not sure I have experienced a miracle in the sense I am sure your thinking. But before I was a christian, the way God revealed himself to me is what I consider the greatest miracle of my life.6) Homosexuality is a sin but it does not exclude you from heaven. I am not sure where you heard this. Its a sin just like any other. But I believe that once a homosexual became a christian they would want to change their ways. When I became a christian, all my old habits that were sinful bothered me severly! Now if I lie, I feel terribly guilty for the longest time. I don't think anyone could endure that guilt for long. When I was saved, I had a desire to better myself, to live a christ like life. And since christ never sinned, I too try to stop sinning. Obviously I still sin but I am alot better than I use to be and I am still working.7)I didn't become a true christian until this summer. I was what I like to call a self-deciever. I told people I was a christian, and I went to church but only when my parents made me. But whenever somebody asked if I was a christian I would immediately answer yes, but afterword I would have doubts. I would try and convince myself that I was a christian and I was saved. I would tell myself that I prayed sometimes and I went to church to convince myself, but once I got tired of doubting and sincerely came to God and asked him into my heart...well I have never doubted since! I have never been happier about anything in my life!!Anyway, I hope I helped answer some of your questions.
That was good : "God said bang" ! and it all happened. Science is man made thing, people discovering, already discovered and try to discover and understand what God already knows, because He created everything. It's ok to be interested in science... I'm not really that type, but my hubby is more interested. When he was a little kid,he already was intrested in astronomy,everything related to space.
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May I ask what you have done for Him? Have you prayed? Have you thanked him for what you do have, the food you eat, the bed you sleep in...the very air you breath? Have you asked for knowledge and understanding of His Word so you can be closer to Him?
For 10+ years I prayed, thanked, asked, begged and pleaded at times with him / for him. Not questioning anything about it, it just "was".
That was confusing...sorry. There is no evolution - science is wrong on stating that man evolved from anything. Science is correct on the earth being ancient and that is what doesn't disagree with the Biblical narration.
In that case, nothing has changed in billions of years and yet the evidence is on the contray.
You could be Mother Teresa and not believe in Christ and you will spend the millennium on the "wrong side." You MUST believe in Him.
Lets not start on Mother Teresa.It makes not sense to me, if I can be a perfectly acceptable person just like any Christian and yet just because I don't believe in Christ. I'm doomed.
No, even those that have followed Satan in this age will be taught during the millennium without any influence from him...there will be no Islam, no Buddism, etc. It is not a second chance as you can see they don't truly have a first chance to find Christ. There will be many Christians in that group too. It is not only those that don't believe in Him but also those that don't maintain that belief during the tribulation of Satan.
How can you be sure that your religion is the only true religion?
You see, Satan comes to earth in the guise of Christ to deceive us. Many Christians that have not been taught that truth will mistakenly worship him. In doing so they will "take the mark of the beast." Anyone that takes that mark (believes his lies...there will not be an implanted chip
) will experience the wrath of God being poured out. Those that waited for the true Saviour will be there (there is no rapture) but He knows His children and they will be protected.
Then why doesn't God give people proof? Surely people are blindly decieved because they blindly believe. They don't know the difference because they have no evidence of any difference.
May I ask what you have done for Him? Have you prayed? Have you thanked him for what you do have, the food you eat, the bed you sleep in...the very air you breath? Have you asked for knowledge and understanding of His Word so you can be closer to Him?
For 10+ years I prayed, thanked, asked, begged and pleaded at times with him / for him. Not questioning anything about it, it just "was".
That was confusing...sorry. There is no evolution - science is wrong on stating that man evolved from anything. Science is correct on the earth being ancient and that is what doesn't disagree with the Biblical narration.
In that case, nothing has changed in billions of years and yet the evidence is on the contray.
You could be Mother Teresa and not believe in Christ and you will spend the millennium on the "wrong side." You MUST believe in Him.
Lets not start on Mother Teresa.It makes not sense to me, if I can be a perfectly acceptable person just like any Christian and yet just because I don't believe in Christ. I'm doomed.
No, even those that have followed Satan in this age will be taught during the millennium without any influence from him...there will be no Islam, no Buddism, etc. It is not a second chance as you can see they don't truly have a first chance to find Christ. There will be many Christians in that group too. It is not only those that don't believe in Him but also those that don't maintain that belief during the tribulation of Satan.
How can you be sure that your religion is the only true religion?
You see, Satan comes to earth in the guise of Christ to deceive us. Many Christians that have not been taught that truth will mistakenly worship him. In doing so they will "take the mark of the beast." Anyone that takes that mark (believes his lies...there will not be an implanted chip
Then why doesn't God give people proof? Surely people are blindly decieved because they blindly believe. They don't know the difference because they have no evidence of any difference.
(biblicalthought;36802)
God has commanded all men to repent and believe. The gospel is not optional, and is only available through faith in Christ. Belief in God is an obviously necessary precondition for faith in Christ, thus you should believe in God.
So because God said so? If you don't believe in God that arguement just doesn't stand up.
The question assumes that "those things" are bad. God may view them as good, and if so, then your question could be equally justified as "why would God allow such good things to happen to me?" The Bible says that the elect "know" that all things work together for our good, including what we would consider the "bad."
Bad things that are universally considered bad. Not "oh I didn't want this to be my career". I'm not saying you're wrong here, I don't always know what's best for me like every other person.
What about them? Please specify your main concerns and their relation to the questions.
Science is the thing I see evidence in, but thus far does not prove the existance of God. Maybe it could prove that there was a person named Jesus or some biblical events in part, but it doesn't prove the existence of God.
It is impossible for any man to live a just life. Jesus was the only life lived acceptable unto God. He was fully human and fully God, able to bridge the chasm between man and God. His perfect life earned the righteousness that is applied to those for whom He died. His death atoned for their sins as the sacrifice to appease God's wrath. Jesus received God's wrath as the substitute of those for whom He came to live and die for. Christians believe this, the heathen reject this. Christians receive eternal life and peace with God, the heathen are flicked into the eternal hell of conscious torment.
I'm not saying anyone is perfect here, we all make mistakes but as I said above. It seems rather unfair to say two people who lived pretty much the same life, but one doesn't believe in God (or didn't in life) that they go to hell for that alone.
No. In order to call it a miracle, explanation, at least in part, is required. An unexplained phenomenon does not exist in the Christian world and life view. I have experienced miracles though, however, they are not unexplained - they're miraculous works of God!
Let me clarify - unexplained by sciene or other logical paths. As in there is no question whatsoever that it is God.Care to share these miracles?
Your question has to do with the exclusivity of Christianity. Christianity has a sacred text called the Bible. The Bible is the most reliable historical document of antiquity. In this Bible is found what to believe and how to live (doctrine and morals). The Bible reveals that God views homosexuality as an abominable sin, and views those that condone it equally abominable. It is also revealed that homosexuals and fornicators in general for that matter, are excluded from the kingdom of God.
Christianity - yes, I direct most of my questioning here because I was a Christian.Why is homosexuality so abominable? Why exclude them from the kingdom of God?
God has commanded all men to repent and believe. The gospel is not optional, and is only available through faith in Christ. Belief in God is an obviously necessary precondition for faith in Christ, thus you should believe in God.
So because God said so? If you don't believe in God that arguement just doesn't stand up.
The question assumes that "those things" are bad. God may view them as good, and if so, then your question could be equally justified as "why would God allow such good things to happen to me?" The Bible says that the elect "know" that all things work together for our good, including what we would consider the "bad."
Bad things that are universally considered bad. Not "oh I didn't want this to be my career". I'm not saying you're wrong here, I don't always know what's best for me like every other person.
What about them? Please specify your main concerns and their relation to the questions.
Science is the thing I see evidence in, but thus far does not prove the existance of God. Maybe it could prove that there was a person named Jesus or some biblical events in part, but it doesn't prove the existence of God.
It is impossible for any man to live a just life. Jesus was the only life lived acceptable unto God. He was fully human and fully God, able to bridge the chasm between man and God. His perfect life earned the righteousness that is applied to those for whom He died. His death atoned for their sins as the sacrifice to appease God's wrath. Jesus received God's wrath as the substitute of those for whom He came to live and die for. Christians believe this, the heathen reject this. Christians receive eternal life and peace with God, the heathen are flicked into the eternal hell of conscious torment.
I'm not saying anyone is perfect here, we all make mistakes but as I said above. It seems rather unfair to say two people who lived pretty much the same life, but one doesn't believe in God (or didn't in life) that they go to hell for that alone.
No. In order to call it a miracle, explanation, at least in part, is required. An unexplained phenomenon does not exist in the Christian world and life view. I have experienced miracles though, however, they are not unexplained - they're miraculous works of God!
Let me clarify - unexplained by sciene or other logical paths. As in there is no question whatsoever that it is God.Care to share these miracles?
Your question has to do with the exclusivity of Christianity. Christianity has a sacred text called the Bible. The Bible is the most reliable historical document of antiquity. In this Bible is found what to believe and how to live (doctrine and morals). The Bible reveals that God views homosexuality as an abominable sin, and views those that condone it equally abominable. It is also revealed that homosexuals and fornicators in general for that matter, are excluded from the kingdom of God.
Christianity - yes, I direct most of my questioning here because I was a Christian.Why is homosexuality so abominable? Why exclude them from the kingdom of God?
(followerofchrist;36823)
1) Why not believe in God?! To be a christian is to believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins so that we may gain salvation and have eternal life. Why would you not want those things when all you have to do is believe. Its our free gift.
Because I have no proof.
2) I have had many people ask me this question before, I have a friend at school who is an agnostic and who's parents are athiest so he is full of mixed up lies. First of all God didn't create evil, evil started when lucifer challenged God and lucifer and his angels were cast down to earth. In the Garden of Eden nothing bad ever happened to Adam and Even until they fell into Lucifers trap, this is when evil was introduced to human kind. We brought evil upon ourselves! I would like to ask you a question, if God went ahead and stopped anything bad from ever happening do you think you would look to God? Probably not! Why would you, if you had everything you wanted and nothing bad ever happened to you then you would have no reason to look to God. God desires a relationship with us, and the evils of this world lead us to him. Again God didn't create evil, he isn't cursing us to trick us into coming to him. Satan is the cause of alot of the evil that happens in our lives, we ourselves even bring evil into our lives. Satan unknowingly pushes us closer to God by doing these "bad things" to us. So if you wanna say God 'allows' these things to happen, then he allows them to happen for our benefit! So we can have a relationship with him and gain eternal life!
Wait, didn't God create everything? So he created lucifier... thus creating evil?How did we bring evil upon ourselves? Why must I pay for what Adam and Eve did? That's not justified.To answer your question, if I had everything I ever wanted would I turn to God? Well... if there was proof of God, then yes. But if lucifier is soley responsble for the evil in this world, then why has God managed to conviently turn it to his advantage in what you're saying by putting a "well if there was no evil and you had everything you wanted you wouldn't turn to God" tilt on things?
3) As far as science goes, I don't really study to much of science. I prefer the bible its all the truth I need. But when science is asked of me, like the big bang theory. I like to respond with yes, I believe in the big bang theory. God said bang! and it happend
But I will leave the more serious science discussions to others that know more about science.
Fair enough.
5) I'm not sure I have experienced a miracle in the sense I am sure your thinking. But before I was a christian, the way God revealed himself to me is what I consider the greatest miracle of my life.
I'd like to hear about it, if you'd care to share.
6) Homosexuality is a sin but it does not exclude you from heaven. I am not sure where you heard this. Its a sin just like any other. But I believe that once a homosexual became a christian they would want to change their ways. When I became a christian, all my old habits that were sinful bothered me severly! Now if I lie, I feel terribly guilty for the longest time. I don't think anyone could endure that guilt for long. When I was saved, I had a desire to better myself, to live a christ like life. And since christ never sinned, I too try to stop sinning. Obviously I still sin but I am alot better than I use to be and I am still working.
If a person is truely homosexual, then if they force themselves to be "straight", I doubt its a very nice life for them living a lie.(His By Grace;36817)
You may want to check out the thread,"people not believing Jesus died for them" on the nonbelievers forum. On pgs. 3 and 4, garbage man and I had a discussion about some of these same topics. I'm not saying I have all of the answers, but maybe it will give you something to think about or have a comment or question about. I am very disturbed when I see these kinds of threads because I immediately have a burden for your soul. I will be praying for you as I have been for garbage man to find THE TRUTH, who is none other than Jesus Christ.***This song tells how I feel and how others do too.Please try and overlook my human side. I know I'm such a bad example and you know I'm so full of pride. But Jesus isn't like that. No, He's perfect all the way. I guess that's why we need Him 'cause by ourselves there's just no way. And it's only that I care. I really, really only just want to see you there.
Care to link me?
1) Why not believe in God?! To be a christian is to believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins so that we may gain salvation and have eternal life. Why would you not want those things when all you have to do is believe. Its our free gift.
Because I have no proof.
2) I have had many people ask me this question before, I have a friend at school who is an agnostic and who's parents are athiest so he is full of mixed up lies. First of all God didn't create evil, evil started when lucifer challenged God and lucifer and his angels were cast down to earth. In the Garden of Eden nothing bad ever happened to Adam and Even until they fell into Lucifers trap, this is when evil was introduced to human kind. We brought evil upon ourselves! I would like to ask you a question, if God went ahead and stopped anything bad from ever happening do you think you would look to God? Probably not! Why would you, if you had everything you wanted and nothing bad ever happened to you then you would have no reason to look to God. God desires a relationship with us, and the evils of this world lead us to him. Again God didn't create evil, he isn't cursing us to trick us into coming to him. Satan is the cause of alot of the evil that happens in our lives, we ourselves even bring evil into our lives. Satan unknowingly pushes us closer to God by doing these "bad things" to us. So if you wanna say God 'allows' these things to happen, then he allows them to happen for our benefit! So we can have a relationship with him and gain eternal life!
Wait, didn't God create everything? So he created lucifier... thus creating evil?How did we bring evil upon ourselves? Why must I pay for what Adam and Eve did? That's not justified.To answer your question, if I had everything I ever wanted would I turn to God? Well... if there was proof of God, then yes. But if lucifier is soley responsble for the evil in this world, then why has God managed to conviently turn it to his advantage in what you're saying by putting a "well if there was no evil and you had everything you wanted you wouldn't turn to God" tilt on things?
3) As far as science goes, I don't really study to much of science. I prefer the bible its all the truth I need. But when science is asked of me, like the big bang theory. I like to respond with yes, I believe in the big bang theory. God said bang! and it happend
Fair enough.
5) I'm not sure I have experienced a miracle in the sense I am sure your thinking. But before I was a christian, the way God revealed himself to me is what I consider the greatest miracle of my life.
I'd like to hear about it, if you'd care to share.
6) Homosexuality is a sin but it does not exclude you from heaven. I am not sure where you heard this. Its a sin just like any other. But I believe that once a homosexual became a christian they would want to change their ways. When I became a christian, all my old habits that were sinful bothered me severly! Now if I lie, I feel terribly guilty for the longest time. I don't think anyone could endure that guilt for long. When I was saved, I had a desire to better myself, to live a christ like life. And since christ never sinned, I too try to stop sinning. Obviously I still sin but I am alot better than I use to be and I am still working.
If a person is truely homosexual, then if they force themselves to be "straight", I doubt its a very nice life for them living a lie.(His By Grace;36817)
You may want to check out the thread,"people not believing Jesus died for them" on the nonbelievers forum. On pgs. 3 and 4, garbage man and I had a discussion about some of these same topics. I'm not saying I have all of the answers, but maybe it will give you something to think about or have a comment or question about. I am very disturbed when I see these kinds of threads because I immediately have a burden for your soul. I will be praying for you as I have been for garbage man to find THE TRUTH, who is none other than Jesus Christ.***This song tells how I feel and how others do too.Please try and overlook my human side. I know I'm such a bad example and you know I'm so full of pride. But Jesus isn't like that. No, He's perfect all the way. I guess that's why we need Him 'cause by ourselves there's just no way. And it's only that I care. I really, really only just want to see you there.
Care to link me?
1) By proof do you mean that you need to be able to see, hear, touch, etc? The bible say's that we are to walk by faith and not by sight. Which basically means that we are to have faith without being able to physically prove it. This is what stops most people from accepting God, unfortunately not alot of people are able to take that leap of faith. They are constricted by physical aspects of human limits and can't make themselves look beyond that. That is why only a few will travel the narrow path to heaven.2) I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin. But your not plugging in that God gave us free will, thats why satan challenged God, thats why other angels CHOSE to join lucifer, and thats why we have other religions. If we didn't have free will than God would just make us follow him.5) it will take along time, so if your really interested PM me.6) Your changing my words, I didn't say they would be forcing themselves to be straight. Since I became a christian, I WANT to change to live a better life. What I am saying is that I believe that once they get saved they will WANT to change.
(followerofchrist;37016)
1) By proof do you mean that you need to be able to see, hear, touch, etc? The bible say's that we are to walk by faith and not by sight. Which basically means that we are to have faith without being able to physically prove it. This is what stops most people from accepting God, unfortunately not alot of people are able to take that leap of faith. They are constricted by physical aspects of human limits and can't make themselves look beyond that. That is why only a few will travel the narrow path to heaven.
Yes and no. I want solid, unmistakable proof. I've had that leap of faith most of my life and it makes no sense now. I seek proof or evidence for other things in my life... why should religion and God be any different?
2) I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin. But your not plugging in that God gave us free will, thats why satan challenged God, thats why other angels CHOSE to join lucifer, and thats why we have other religions. If we didn't have free will than God would just make us follow him.
Yes, indeed free will. I understand that but why create sin so people can commit it and stray from him?
5) it will take along time, so if your really interested PM me.
I'm interested, but I won't push or persue the issue if you don't want to tell me. It's fine.
6) Your changing my words, I didn't say they would be forcing themselves to be straight. Since I became a christian, I WANT to change to live a better life. What I am saying is that I believe that once they get saved they will WANT to change.
I wasn't changing them in a nasty way, this is what I understood and/or grasped from your words. However I still stand that if a person is actually homosexual, so I'm told (I don't personally know) that it's how they are. Therefore they can't actually change their sexuality.
1) By proof do you mean that you need to be able to see, hear, touch, etc? The bible say's that we are to walk by faith and not by sight. Which basically means that we are to have faith without being able to physically prove it. This is what stops most people from accepting God, unfortunately not alot of people are able to take that leap of faith. They are constricted by physical aspects of human limits and can't make themselves look beyond that. That is why only a few will travel the narrow path to heaven.
Yes and no. I want solid, unmistakable proof. I've had that leap of faith most of my life and it makes no sense now. I seek proof or evidence for other things in my life... why should religion and God be any different?
2) I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin. But your not plugging in that God gave us free will, thats why satan challenged God, thats why other angels CHOSE to join lucifer, and thats why we have other religions. If we didn't have free will than God would just make us follow him.
Yes, indeed free will. I understand that but why create sin so people can commit it and stray from him?
5) it will take along time, so if your really interested PM me.
I'm interested, but I won't push or persue the issue if you don't want to tell me. It's fine.
6) Your changing my words, I didn't say they would be forcing themselves to be straight. Since I became a christian, I WANT to change to live a better life. What I am saying is that I believe that once they get saved they will WANT to change.
I wasn't changing them in a nasty way, this is what I understood and/or grasped from your words. However I still stand that if a person is actually homosexual, so I'm told (I don't personally know) that it's how they are. Therefore they can't actually change their sexuality.
(Pildit;36915)
For 10+ years I prayed, thanked, asked, begged and pleaded at times with him / for him. Not questioning anything about it, it just "was".
What you prayed for may not be what He wants for you. Always pray in His will and be prepared to wait.
In that case, nothing has changed in billions of years and yet the evidence is on the contray.
Every creature seems to have the ability to alter, improve, adjust to survive but one creature does not become another creature. That is what I mean by evolution....we didn't begin as a floating piece of pond scum and develop into a human.
Lets not start on Mother Teresa.It makes not sense to me, if I can be a perfectly acceptable person just like any Christian and yet just because I don't believe in Christ. I'm doomed.
You are not "doomed" but you will not be of the "first resurrection."Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. We will be with those that the "second death hath no power" over or we will be among those that didn't believe in Christ. In that case we will be taught during the millennium.7.And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, All those that didn't believe in Christ will be tested at the end of the millennium....this will be the last test.8.And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9.And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. It is unbelievable to me that so many will follow him but....it is written.10.And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever. He will never be seen again.11.And I saw a great white throne, and Him That sat on it, from Whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. At the beginning of the millennium it is Christ that judges where we will spend that 1000 years. Now, it is God Himself that decides, on the works done during that time, whether you will have eternal life.12.And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. The "dead" meaning the spiritually dead, those that did not make the first cut. Note that now you are judged on your works not your faith. No faith will be required as you will know Christ is real.15.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. That is the second death...the death of your soul.
How can you be sure that your religion is the only true religion?
Because He is the only true God and His letter to us truly is alive. It grows. You can read a verse and then a few weeks later suddenly a new and deeper meaning is opened to you. His Holy Spirit can fill you and there is no room for doubt. When that happens you change. You are no longer interested in things of the world. As Paul put it....your "old man" dies and your spirit matures especially when you study His Word.
Then why doesn't God give people proof? Surely people are blindly decieved because they blindly believe. They don't know the difference because they have no evidence of any difference.
He gave us His Son. He gave us His Word. He gave us our lives. He gave us this world and He only wants your love.....look around you and then close your physical eyes and open the spiritual. Drink in what He has created. Ask Him to allow you to see, really see what is there, what He created and gave to us.Time is short. Find a quiet place and bare your soul to Him. Tell Him you want to be part of Him and ask Him to come into your life......Ask and ye shall receive. Repent of your sins and thank Him for all of His blessings....even the ones you may not realize are blessings. The very things you feel are hardships could be what He uses to mold you, to strengthen you to be what He needs you to be. That change didn't happen to me immediately. I matured and changed over time but it was a sure and steady process. I have never turned back.It is your choice....I will praying for you and I ask that others on this forum include you in their prayers.........Whirlwind
For 10+ years I prayed, thanked, asked, begged and pleaded at times with him / for him. Not questioning anything about it, it just "was".
What you prayed for may not be what He wants for you. Always pray in His will and be prepared to wait.
In that case, nothing has changed in billions of years and yet the evidence is on the contray.
Every creature seems to have the ability to alter, improve, adjust to survive but one creature does not become another creature. That is what I mean by evolution....we didn't begin as a floating piece of pond scum and develop into a human.
Lets not start on Mother Teresa.It makes not sense to me, if I can be a perfectly acceptable person just like any Christian and yet just because I don't believe in Christ. I'm doomed.
You are not "doomed" but you will not be of the "first resurrection."Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. We will be with those that the "second death hath no power" over or we will be among those that didn't believe in Christ. In that case we will be taught during the millennium.7.And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, All those that didn't believe in Christ will be tested at the end of the millennium....this will be the last test.8.And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9.And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. It is unbelievable to me that so many will follow him but....it is written.10.And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever. He will never be seen again.11.And I saw a great white throne, and Him That sat on it, from Whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. At the beginning of the millennium it is Christ that judges where we will spend that 1000 years. Now, it is God Himself that decides, on the works done during that time, whether you will have eternal life.12.And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. The "dead" meaning the spiritually dead, those that did not make the first cut. Note that now you are judged on your works not your faith. No faith will be required as you will know Christ is real.15.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. That is the second death...the death of your soul.
How can you be sure that your religion is the only true religion?
Because He is the only true God and His letter to us truly is alive. It grows. You can read a verse and then a few weeks later suddenly a new and deeper meaning is opened to you. His Holy Spirit can fill you and there is no room for doubt. When that happens you change. You are no longer interested in things of the world. As Paul put it....your "old man" dies and your spirit matures especially when you study His Word.
Then why doesn't God give people proof? Surely people are blindly decieved because they blindly believe. They don't know the difference because they have no evidence of any difference.
He gave us His Son. He gave us His Word. He gave us our lives. He gave us this world and He only wants your love.....look around you and then close your physical eyes and open the spiritual. Drink in what He has created. Ask Him to allow you to see, really see what is there, what He created and gave to us.Time is short. Find a quiet place and bare your soul to Him. Tell Him you want to be part of Him and ask Him to come into your life......Ask and ye shall receive. Repent of your sins and thank Him for all of His blessings....even the ones you may not realize are blessings. The very things you feel are hardships could be what He uses to mold you, to strengthen you to be what He needs you to be. That change didn't happen to me immediately. I matured and changed over time but it was a sure and steady process. I have never turned back.It is your choice....I will praying for you and I ask that others on this forum include you in their prayers.........Whirlwind
(Pildit;37019)
Yes and no. I want solid, unmistakable proof. I've had that leap of faith most of my life and it makes no sense now. I seek proof or evidence for other things in my life... why should religion and God be any different?Yes, indeed free will. I understand that but why create sin so people can commit it and stray from him?I'm interested, but I won't push or persue the issue if you don't want to tell me. It's fine.I wasn't changing them in a nasty way, this is what I understood and/or grasped from your words. However I still stand that if a person is actually homosexual, so I'm told (I don't personally know) that it's how they are. Therefore they can't actually change their sexuality.
You said you took the leap of faith, do you believe that you were truly saved and were sincere about it then? The bible warns us about christians who fall away and for your sake I hope you haven't fallen away and have yet to be truly saved. Hebrews 6: 4-6 tells us about falling away. But I would suggest reading all of Hebrews 6!Thats what I am saying, God didn't create sin. Sin was introduced because with our free will we chose to turn away from God. We brought sin into the world, not God. Our sin seperated us from God then and it still does today unless you have accpeted Jesus as your savior. Then your sins are forgiven!Well if your interested I will be more than glad to tell you, I just would rather tell you over PM.Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound like I accused you of doing that on purpose. But this is where our opinions differ, I don't know for sure which is right but I think that homosexuality is a choice.
Yes and no. I want solid, unmistakable proof. I've had that leap of faith most of my life and it makes no sense now. I seek proof or evidence for other things in my life... why should religion and God be any different?Yes, indeed free will. I understand that but why create sin so people can commit it and stray from him?I'm interested, but I won't push or persue the issue if you don't want to tell me. It's fine.I wasn't changing them in a nasty way, this is what I understood and/or grasped from your words. However I still stand that if a person is actually homosexual, so I'm told (I don't personally know) that it's how they are. Therefore they can't actually change their sexuality.
You said you took the leap of faith, do you believe that you were truly saved and were sincere about it then? The bible warns us about christians who fall away and for your sake I hope you haven't fallen away and have yet to be truly saved. Hebrews 6: 4-6 tells us about falling away. But I would suggest reading all of Hebrews 6!Thats what I am saying, God didn't create sin. Sin was introduced because with our free will we chose to turn away from God. We brought sin into the world, not God. Our sin seperated us from God then and it still does today unless you have accpeted Jesus as your savior. Then your sins are forgiven!Well if your interested I will be more than glad to tell you, I just would rather tell you over PM.Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound like I accused you of doing that on purpose. But this is where our opinions differ, I don't know for sure which is right but I think that homosexuality is a choice.
(whirlwind;37023)
What you prayed for may not be what He wants for you. Always pray in His will and be prepared to wait.
I've prayed for his will too.
Every creature seems to have the ability to alter, improve, adjust to survive but one creature does not become another creature. That is what I mean by evolution....we didn't begin as a floating piece of pond scum and develop into a human.
Define "floating piece of pond scum".If by that you mean single cell organisms, then you're right. We didn't, not driectly, there were many stages of evolution between single cell organisms and human beings as we know them today.
You are not "doomed" but you will not be of the "first resurrection."
So this is a sort of second chance system?
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. We will be with those that the "second death hath no power" over or we will be among those that didn't believe in Christ. In that case we will be taught during the millennium.7.And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, All those that didn't believe in Christ will be tested at the end of the millennium....this will be the last test.8.And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9.And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. It is unbelievable to me that so many will follow him but....it is written.10.And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever. He will never be seen again.11.And I saw a great white throne, and Him That sat on it, from Whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. At the beginning of the millennium it is Christ that judges where we will spend that 1000 years. Now, it is God Himself that decides, on the works done during that time, whether you will have eternal life.12.And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. The "dead" meaning the spiritually dead, those that did not make the first cut. Note that now you are judged on your works not your faith. No faith will be required as you will know Christ is real.15.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. That is the second death...the death of your soul.
Okay, I've read what you've written and I'm also just going to read that from both my bibles as well for myself (KJV and NIV)... okay uh huh... slightly different accounts but let me get this straight here.All those pure Christians, believers, etc go straight to Heaven. The non-believers, get to know that Christ and God do exist and then have to live out another 1000 years, then they will only be judged on their good deeds and morals, etc. Correct?
Because He is the only true God and His letter to us truly is alive. It grows. You can read a verse and then a few weeks later suddenly a new and deeper meaning is opened to you. His Holy Spirit can fill you and there is no room for doubt. When that happens you change. You are no longer interested in things of the world. As Paul put it....your "old man" dies and your spirit matures especially when you study His Word.
What about Jews... was Jesus not a Jew? If so why aren't you a Jew?I'm in no doubt there's a deeper meaning some verses of the Bible but usually there is in all texts and the meaning differs from person to person for various reasons.
He gave us His Son. He gave us His Word. He gave us our lives. He gave us this world and He only wants your love.....look around you and then close your physical eyes and open the spiritual. Drink in what He has created. Ask Him to allow you to see, really see what is there, what He created and gave to us.
His son isn't here now. His word is just his word. It's not proof. I could give you my word on many things but it isn't proof. There's no proof that he gave us our lives or this world.As I said, I've asked him.
Time is short. Find a quiet place and bare your soul to Him. Tell Him you want to be part of Him and ask Him to come into your life......Ask and ye shall receive.
He was in my life or so I thought at the time anyway. Ask. I've asked. Nothing. I ask for proof right now, I ask here, I ask you but no-one seems to prove me with any proof.
Repent of your sins and thank Him for all of His blessings....even the ones you may not realize are blessings. The very things you feel are hardships could be what He uses to mold you, to strengthen you to be what He needs you to be. That change didn't happen to me immediately. I matured and changed over time but it was a sure and steady process. I have never turned back.
Hardships change everyone. I understand that. They mould you either because you become afraid of something, you learn or become stronger from them. I know this because I've been through a lot of hardship but where did I find the most helpful... or who rather... an athiest.I'm in no way saying that religion hasn't gotten me through bad times before now, however it's all about hope and feeling there is hope... but that can be gotten from many things and there is no proof for religion (or none that I've thus far found should I say).Everyone matures, everyone changes. It doesn't necessaily take religion to do it.
It is your choice....I will praying for you and I ask that others on this forum include you in their prayers.
I know it's my choice. I choose to search for God, answers and proof right now. Thank you for your prayers.
What you prayed for may not be what He wants for you. Always pray in His will and be prepared to wait.
I've prayed for his will too.
Every creature seems to have the ability to alter, improve, adjust to survive but one creature does not become another creature. That is what I mean by evolution....we didn't begin as a floating piece of pond scum and develop into a human.
Define "floating piece of pond scum".If by that you mean single cell organisms, then you're right. We didn't, not driectly, there were many stages of evolution between single cell organisms and human beings as we know them today.
You are not "doomed" but you will not be of the "first resurrection."
So this is a sort of second chance system?
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. We will be with those that the "second death hath no power" over or we will be among those that didn't believe in Christ. In that case we will be taught during the millennium.7.And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, All those that didn't believe in Christ will be tested at the end of the millennium....this will be the last test.8.And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9.And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. It is unbelievable to me that so many will follow him but....it is written.10.And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever. He will never be seen again.11.And I saw a great white throne, and Him That sat on it, from Whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. At the beginning of the millennium it is Christ that judges where we will spend that 1000 years. Now, it is God Himself that decides, on the works done during that time, whether you will have eternal life.12.And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. The "dead" meaning the spiritually dead, those that did not make the first cut. Note that now you are judged on your works not your faith. No faith will be required as you will know Christ is real.15.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. That is the second death...the death of your soul.
Okay, I've read what you've written and I'm also just going to read that from both my bibles as well for myself (KJV and NIV)... okay uh huh... slightly different accounts but let me get this straight here.All those pure Christians, believers, etc go straight to Heaven. The non-believers, get to know that Christ and God do exist and then have to live out another 1000 years, then they will only be judged on their good deeds and morals, etc. Correct?
Because He is the only true God and His letter to us truly is alive. It grows. You can read a verse and then a few weeks later suddenly a new and deeper meaning is opened to you. His Holy Spirit can fill you and there is no room for doubt. When that happens you change. You are no longer interested in things of the world. As Paul put it....your "old man" dies and your spirit matures especially when you study His Word.
What about Jews... was Jesus not a Jew? If so why aren't you a Jew?I'm in no doubt there's a deeper meaning some verses of the Bible but usually there is in all texts and the meaning differs from person to person for various reasons.
He gave us His Son. He gave us His Word. He gave us our lives. He gave us this world and He only wants your love.....look around you and then close your physical eyes and open the spiritual. Drink in what He has created. Ask Him to allow you to see, really see what is there, what He created and gave to us.
His son isn't here now. His word is just his word. It's not proof. I could give you my word on many things but it isn't proof. There's no proof that he gave us our lives or this world.As I said, I've asked him.
Time is short. Find a quiet place and bare your soul to Him. Tell Him you want to be part of Him and ask Him to come into your life......Ask and ye shall receive.
He was in my life or so I thought at the time anyway. Ask. I've asked. Nothing. I ask for proof right now, I ask here, I ask you but no-one seems to prove me with any proof.
Repent of your sins and thank Him for all of His blessings....even the ones you may not realize are blessings. The very things you feel are hardships could be what He uses to mold you, to strengthen you to be what He needs you to be. That change didn't happen to me immediately. I matured and changed over time but it was a sure and steady process. I have never turned back.
Hardships change everyone. I understand that. They mould you either because you become afraid of something, you learn or become stronger from them. I know this because I've been through a lot of hardship but where did I find the most helpful... or who rather... an athiest.I'm in no way saying that religion hasn't gotten me through bad times before now, however it's all about hope and feeling there is hope... but that can be gotten from many things and there is no proof for religion (or none that I've thus far found should I say).Everyone matures, everyone changes. It doesn't necessaily take religion to do it.
It is your choice....I will praying for you and I ask that others on this forum include you in their prayers.
I know it's my choice. I choose to search for God, answers and proof right now. Thank you for your prayers.
(followerofchrist;37024)
You said you took the leap of faith, do you believe that you were truly saved and were sincere about it then? The bible warns us about christians who fall away and for your sake I hope you haven't fallen away and have yet to be truly saved. Hebrews 6: 4-6 tells us about falling away. But I would suggest reading all of Hebrews 6!
I was taught science and of other religions, I didn't go to church but I did have all morals associated with Christianity, that's not to say I was perfect at following them but I had them and I believed in God and Christ. Whatever was taught to me, I took it as it's fine, this is what others believe (although of course, I was very interested in Science) but it was still me being in God. That was just how it was. The Bible, God created everything. It just was so.I suppose that depends on what you mean by "truely saved".*Reads Hebrews 6* Okay so if I was truely saved and I fell away, I can't come back. What happened to forgiveness?
Thats what I am saying, God didn't create sin.
WAIT! Let me stop you right there! You said before and I quote:
I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin.
Which is it?
Sin was introduced because with our free will we chose to turn away from God. We brought sin into the world, not God. Our sin seperated us from God then and it still does today unless you have accpeted Jesus as your savior. Then your sins are forgiven!
Yeah I understand accept Jesus and your sins are forgiven.
Well if your interested I will be more than glad to tell you, I just would rather tell you over PM.
Then please do PM me.
Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound like I accused you of doing that on purpose. But this is where our opinions differ, I don't know for sure which is right but I think that homosexuality is a choice.
No not at all, I just wanted to make it clear to you I wasn't doing it on purpose.
You said you took the leap of faith, do you believe that you were truly saved and were sincere about it then? The bible warns us about christians who fall away and for your sake I hope you haven't fallen away and have yet to be truly saved. Hebrews 6: 4-6 tells us about falling away. But I would suggest reading all of Hebrews 6!
I was taught science and of other religions, I didn't go to church but I did have all morals associated with Christianity, that's not to say I was perfect at following them but I had them and I believed in God and Christ. Whatever was taught to me, I took it as it's fine, this is what others believe (although of course, I was very interested in Science) but it was still me being in God. That was just how it was. The Bible, God created everything. It just was so.I suppose that depends on what you mean by "truely saved".*Reads Hebrews 6* Okay so if I was truely saved and I fell away, I can't come back. What happened to forgiveness?
Thats what I am saying, God didn't create sin.
WAIT! Let me stop you right there! You said before and I quote:
I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin.
Which is it?
Sin was introduced because with our free will we chose to turn away from God. We brought sin into the world, not God. Our sin seperated us from God then and it still does today unless you have accpeted Jesus as your savior. Then your sins are forgiven!
Yeah I understand accept Jesus and your sins are forgiven.
Well if your interested I will be more than glad to tell you, I just would rather tell you over PM.
Then please do PM me.
Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound like I accused you of doing that on purpose. But this is where our opinions differ, I don't know for sure which is right but I think that homosexuality is a choice.
No not at all, I just wanted to make it clear to you I wasn't doing it on purpose.
(Pildit;37035)
I was taught science and of other religions, I didn't go to church but I did have all morals associated with Christianity, that's not to say I was perfect at following them but I had them and I believed in God and Christ. Whatever was taught to me, I took it as it's fine, this is what others believe (although of course, I was very interested in Science) but it was still me being in God. That was just how it was. The Bible, God created everything. It just was so.I suppose that depends on what you mean by "truely saved".*Reads Hebrews 6* Okay so if I was truely saved and I fell away, I can't come back. What happened to forgiveness?WAIT! Let me stop you right there! You said before and I quote:Which is it?Yeah I understand accept Jesus and your sins are forgiven.Then please do PM me.No not at all, I just wanted to make it clear to you I wasn't doing it on purpose.
You blieved in God, lots of people do. Even agnostics do but did you accept Jesus as your savior? God will forgive your sins, but if you accept Jesus as your savior and then after you go through this life changing expierce choose to reject him knowing full well what your doing then that is the end of the line for you.Ha! Ok I am sorry I confused you. That quote you posted was me stating your point of view. I was making sure I had it right, and since you didn't correct me I assumed I did. But if you'll notice what I said, the entire quote was "I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin.
I was taught science and of other religions, I didn't go to church but I did have all morals associated with Christianity, that's not to say I was perfect at following them but I had them and I believed in God and Christ. Whatever was taught to me, I took it as it's fine, this is what others believe (although of course, I was very interested in Science) but it was still me being in God. That was just how it was. The Bible, God created everything. It just was so.I suppose that depends on what you mean by "truely saved".*Reads Hebrews 6* Okay so if I was truely saved and I fell away, I can't come back. What happened to forgiveness?WAIT! Let me stop you right there! You said before and I quote:Which is it?Yeah I understand accept Jesus and your sins are forgiven.Then please do PM me.No not at all, I just wanted to make it clear to you I wasn't doing it on purpose.
You blieved in God, lots of people do. Even agnostics do but did you accept Jesus as your savior? God will forgive your sins, but if you accept Jesus as your savior and then after you go through this life changing expierce choose to reject him knowing full well what your doing then that is the end of the line for you.Ha! Ok I am sorry I confused you. That quote you posted was me stating your point of view. I was making sure I had it right, and since you didn't correct me I assumed I did. But if you'll notice what I said, the entire quote was "I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin.
(followerofchrist;37037)
You blieved in God, lots of people do. Even agnostics do but did you accept Jesus as your savior? God will forgive your sins, but if you accept Jesus as your savior and then after you go through this life changing expierce choose to reject him knowing full well what your doing then that is the end of the line for you.Ha! Ok I am sorry I confused you. That quote you posted was me stating your point of view. I was making sure I had it right, and since you didn't correct me I assumed I did. But if you'll notice what I said, the entire quote was "I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin.
It was never a life changing experience for me. I never had a "Wow this is really amazing!" point.Let me put it this way, Even when I was 3-4 years old. I remember believeing in God and in Jesus. Did I believe he saved me. Yes because that's what I was told but if I was supposed to have some life changing moment where all this seems really amazing and more true than ever before, no that never happened.And okay about the quote. I read it wrong when I first read it. The way I read it was. "I see your point, however this is how it is". My apologises.
You blieved in God, lots of people do. Even agnostics do but did you accept Jesus as your savior? God will forgive your sins, but if you accept Jesus as your savior and then after you go through this life changing expierce choose to reject him knowing full well what your doing then that is the end of the line for you.Ha! Ok I am sorry I confused you. That quote you posted was me stating your point of view. I was making sure I had it right, and since you didn't correct me I assumed I did. But if you'll notice what I said, the entire quote was "I see what your saying, God created evil and satan was the first to sin so God created sin.
It was never a life changing experience for me. I never had a "Wow this is really amazing!" point.Let me put it this way, Even when I was 3-4 years old. I remember believeing in God and in Jesus. Did I believe he saved me. Yes because that's what I was told but if I was supposed to have some life changing moment where all this seems really amazing and more true than ever before, no that never happened.And okay about the quote. I read it wrong when I first read it. The way I read it was. "I see your point, however this is how it is". My apologises.
(Pildit;37042)
It was never a life changing experience for me. I never had a "Wow this is really amazing!" point.Let me put it this way, Even when I was 3-4 years old. I remember believeing in God and in Jesus. Did I believe he saved me. Yes because that's what I was told but if I was supposed to have some life changing moment where all this seems really amazing and more true than ever before, no that never happened.And okay about the quote. I read it wrong when I first read it. The way I read it was. "I see your point, however this is how it is". My apologises.
Thats exactly how I was...until this summer. I believed all the stuff they told me in church, but I believed it just because I was suppost to, ya know? That what everyone did, I said I was a christian, but I wasn't really. But this summer I finally questioned my faith. I wanted to know if all this stuff was real or if I was just buying into what society told me to. And once I looked into it with an open mind, and sincerely came to God asking him to reveal himself to me and live in my heart because I wanted him to, not because I was suppost to...well I have never been more glad about doing anything in my life!!
It was never a life changing experience for me. I never had a "Wow this is really amazing!" point.Let me put it this way, Even when I was 3-4 years old. I remember believeing in God and in Jesus. Did I believe he saved me. Yes because that's what I was told but if I was supposed to have some life changing moment where all this seems really amazing and more true than ever before, no that never happened.And okay about the quote. I read it wrong when I first read it. The way I read it was. "I see your point, however this is how it is". My apologises.
Thats exactly how I was...until this summer. I believed all the stuff they told me in church, but I believed it just because I was suppost to, ya know? That what everyone did, I said I was a christian, but I wasn't really. But this summer I finally questioned my faith. I wanted to know if all this stuff was real or if I was just buying into what society told me to. And once I looked into it with an open mind, and sincerely came to God asking him to reveal himself to me and live in my heart because I wanted him to, not because I was suppost to...well I have never been more glad about doing anything in my life!!
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