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bbyrd009 · Feb 2, 2018

mjrhealth said:
but go, do your own thing, most of christianity does just that.

mjr? you think those vv negate works meet for repentance? seriously?
Those who are judged to be crying LordLord were practicing works meet for rebound, that is your position?

what do you mean by "humor" there?
i invoke "confession is made unto salvation" and you say "humor?"

amadeus · Feb 2, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
mjr? you think those vv negate works meet for repentance? seriously?
Those who are judged to be crying LordLord were practicing works meet for rebound, that is your position?

what do you mean by "humor" there?
i invoke "confession is made unto salvation" and you say "humor?"

Could it be humorous to God and we, any of us who are like God in some measure, also want to laugh?

"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision." Psalm 2:1-4

mjrhealth · Feb 2, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
mjr? you think those vv negate works meet for repentance? seriously?
Those who are judged to be crying LordLord were practicing works meet for rebound, that is your position?

what do you mean by "humor" there?
i invoke "confession is made unto salvation" and you say "humor?"

I was actually referencing that little cartoon you so casually display, something seems to have bugged you... What was it Jesus said,

Joh_14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh_9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

anything we do of ourselves is vanity.

The works are supposed to follow not go before.

michaelvpardo · Feb 4, 2018

Marymog said:
Thank you Mr. Pardo,

I understand what you believe and why you believe it. You have articulated it well.

However, I want to know if THEY weren't the Church then what were they?

Or maybe to put it better: The aforementioned 72 were what BEFORE the resurrection? Saints?

Respectfully, Mary

The word "saints" in the Old testament and in the new refers to Holy ones, those that are set apart by God to His purposes. The NT epistles address all genuine believers, all those receiving the seal of God's Spirit, as saints (and they are all set apart by God according to His purpose), but not all saints were a part of the church. John the Baptist was set apart by God to declare the coming of Christ, but Jesus proclaimed that the least in the kingdom of God was greater than he. In mathematical terms, the church is a subset of the saints, its own entity with Christ as its head.

bbyrd009 · Feb 4, 2018

mjrhealth said:
I was actually referencing that little cartoon you so casually display, something seems to have bugged you

ah i guess you took that wrong then, that cartoon was about me

Helen · Feb 4, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
ah i guess you took that wrong then, that cartoon was about me

Guess I took it wrong too...maybe others as well...I also thought you had some point to prove...and were extra specially bugged by some of us. lol

mjrhealth · Feb 5, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
ah i guess you took that wrong then, that cartoon was about me

Not really just cant understand why men make a mockery of teh things of God that they dont understand. If you think Gods call is a big joke, than you have no idea. Many in this world have suffered all there lives, even before birth for His sake, It is not a party..

bbyrd009 · Feb 5, 2018

mjrhealth said:
Not really just cant understand why men make a mockery of teh things of God that they dont understand. If you think Gods call is a big joke, than you have no idea. Many in this world have suffered all there lives, even before birth for His sake, It is not a party..

seems like i recall reading somewhere that play is in the Bible like 92 times to redemption's 47 or so.
I thought the cartoon was hilarious and on point myself.
I'm just sorry ppl misunderstood the caption
i am doing God's will!

Marymog · Feb 5, 2018

michaelvpardo said:
The word "saints" in the Old testament and in the new refers to Holy ones, those that are set apart by God to His purposes. The NT epistles address all genuine believers, all those receiving the seal of God's Spirit, as saints (and they are all set apart by God according to His purpose), but not all saints were a part of the church. John the Baptist was set apart by God to declare the coming of Christ, but Jesus proclaimed that the least in the kingdom of God was greater than he. In mathematical terms, the church is a subset of the saints, its own entity with Christ as its head.

Thank you. I am still a bit confused. I may not be articulating my position clearly. I will try again.

I understand that John the Baptist and those that were killed or died BEFORE the resurrection couldn't have been part of The Church. However, I think it is safe to presume the 72 mentioned in Luke were still alive AFTER the resurrection. This means AFTER the resurrection they became part of The Church. More than likely they were the first leaders, elders, bishops, deacons of the early church.

However, according to your opinion, they couldn't be The Church!!

Can you see how I am confused by your statement that "They couldn't be the church..."???

Respectfully, Mary

bbyrd009 · Feb 5, 2018

Marymog said:
I understand that John the Baptist and those that were killed or died BEFORE the resurrection couldn't have been part of The Church.

? dunno why not

michaelvpardo · Feb 5, 2018

Marymog said:
Thank you. I am still a bit confused. I may not be articulating my position clearly. I will try again.

I understand that John the Baptist and those that were killed or died BEFORE the resurrection couldn't have been part of The Church. However, I think it is safe to presume the 72 mentioned in Luke were still alive AFTER the resurrection. This means AFTER the resurrection they became part of The Church. More than likely they were the first leaders, elders, bishops, deacons of the early church.

However, according to your opinion, they couldn't be The Church!!

Can you see how I am confused by your statement that "They couldn't be the church..."???

Respectfully, Mary

The church didn't exist yet prior to Christ's resurrection. Is your chicken your dinner while its still walking on two feet? We don't move backwards through time (though God could) so a backwards reasoning hermeneutic isn't valid. Besides, nothing tells us that the 70 remained disciples of Christ, but the scripture does tell us that by the last supper Jesus was left with only His Apostles and some women that provided for His needs. See John 6:66.
Even, if that number remained faithful they couldn't be part of the body of Christ until the Holy Spirit was given to indwell men (that indwelling defines the church.)

Marymog · Feb 5, 2018

michaelvpardo said:
The church didn't exist yet prior to Christ's resurrection. Is your chicken your dinner while its still walking on two feet? We don't move backwards through time (though God could) so a backwards reasoning hermeneutic isn't valid. Besides, nothing tells us that the 70 remained disciples of Christ, but the scripture does tell us that by the last supper Jesus was left with only His Apostles and some women that provided for His needs. See John 6:66.
Even, if that number remained faithful they couldn't be part of the body of Christ until the Holy Spirit was given to indwell men (that indwelling defines the church.)

Hi Mr. Pardo,

Yes, the chicken is my dinner while it is still walking. That is why it was fed, watered and raised to adult life. To be my dinner. No other reason. It has a destination. My plate. Just like the men and women who walked and talked with Christ. They were fed his word, watered with baptism and they and their children were raised to adult life to be Christians. Just like the chicken, they had a destination.

Nothing tells us that the 72 DIDN'T remain disciples of Christ. The odds are greater that they did remain His disciples since he had thousands of followers upon His death. Have you not read 1 Corinthians where he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters? Your suggestion that by the last supper Jesus was left with only His Apostles and some women does not hold water that. What you are saying is opposite of what scripture says.

John 6:66 refers to those who did not accept the eating of His flesh. They walked away from Jesus like many Protestants do today when told that the Eucharist is His flesh and that we must eat Him. It says that MANY of his disciples walked away. We know that there were 5,000 in the crowd. What would be "many" of 5,000? 2,000?? Which means you still have several thousands left and that's not counting the thousands that didn't or couldn't make it to the sermon on the mount and that were scattered all around Judea. There were still several THOUSANDS scattered throughout the area. John 6:66 has NOTHING to do with how many were following Him upon his death.

The 72 were MORE THAN LIKELY alive and still followers of Him AFTER the resurrection. These FACTS meet YOUR criteria (not mine or any other biblical scholars) of being The Church.

So I ask you once again: How could the 72 NOT be His Church???

Mary

bbyrd009 · Feb 5, 2018

michaelvpardo · Feb 5, 2018

Marymog said:
Hi Mr. Pardo,

Yes, the chicken is my dinner while it is still walking. That is why it was fed, watered and raised to adult life. To be my dinner. No other reason. It has a destination. My plate. Just like the men and women who walked and talked with Christ. They were fed his word, watered with baptism and they and their children were raised to adult life to be Christians. Just like the chicken, they had a destination.

Nothing tells us that the 72 DIDN'T remain disciples of Christ. The odds are greater that they did remain His disciples since he had thousands of followers upon His death. Have you not read 1 Corinthians where he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters? Your suggestion that by the last supper Jesus was left with only His Apostles and some women does not hold water that. What you are saying is opposite of what scripture says.

John 6:66 refers to those who did not accept the eating of His flesh. They walked away from Jesus like many Protestants do today when told that the Eucharist is His flesh and that we must eat Him. It says that MANY of his disciples walked away. We know that there were 5,000 in the crowd. What would be "many" of 5,000? 2,000?? Which means you still have several thousands left and that's not counting the thousands that didn't or couldn't make it to the sermon on the mount and that were scattered all around Judea. There were still several THOUSANDS scattered throughout the area. John 6:66 has NOTHING to do with how many were following Him upon his death.

The 72 were MORE THAN LIKELY alive and still followers of Him AFTER the resurrection. These FACTS meet YOUR criteria (not mine or any other biblical scholars) of being The Church.

So I ask you once again: How could the 72 NOT be His Church???

Mary

I'd say it slowly if we were talking. The church didn't exist until after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Where were all these faithful disciples when Jesus was arrested, tried, and crucified? If that's your idea of a church, I'm well pleased not to belong to yours.

Marymog · Feb 5, 2018

michaelvpardo said:
I'd say it slowly if we were talking. The church didn't exist until after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Where were all these faithful disciples when Jesus was arrested, tried, and crucified? If that's your idea of a church, I'm well pleased not to belong to yours.

Once again, you didn't answer my question. This is the 3rd, maybe the 4th time, I will have asked this: How could the 72 NOT be His Church???

I will answer YOUR question: Scripture does not tell us where all his faithful disciples were. However, scripture does not tell us in Luke 23:49 that all those that knew him, including the women that followed him, stood at a distance. Scripture also tells us that Jesus appeared to more than five hundred of His brothers and sisters. Scripture makes it VERY CLEAR that your opinion that only a few people were faithful to Jesus and hanging around when he was crucified and after he rose from the dead is NOT TRUE. So I ask you again, for the 2nd time: Have you not read 1 Corinthians where he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters?

Scripture doesn't give us details where ALL the Apostles were but that doesn't mean they were NOT there; THEY COULD HAVE BEEN AT A DISTANCE, LIKE SCRIPTURE SAYS. Scripture tells us that the only apostle that was there was John. So your suggestion that there were only a few women and one Apostle following Him is NOT supported by scripture. Scripture says OPPOSITE of what you are saying when it says that there all those that knew him stood at a distance.

Mary

michaelvpardo · Feb 5, 2018

Marymog said:
Once again, you didn't answer my question. This is the 3rd, maybe the 4th time, I will have asked this: How could the 72 NOT be His Church???

I will answer YOUR question: Scripture does not tell us where all his faithful disciples were. However, scripture does not tell us in Luke 23:49 that all those that knew him, including the women that followed him, stood at a distance. Scripture also tells us that Jesus appeared to more than five hundred of His brothers and sisters. Scripture makes it VERY CLEAR that your opinion that only a few people were faithful to Jesus and hanging around when he was crucified and after he rose from the dead is NOT TRUE. So I ask you again, for the 2nd time: Have you not read 1 Corinthians where he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters?

Scripture doesn't give us details where ALL the Apostles were but that doesn't mean they were NOT there; THEY COULD HAVE BEEN AT A DISTANCE, LIKE SCRIPTURE SAYS. Scripture tells us that the only apostle that was there was John. So your suggestion that there were only a few women and one Apostle following Him is NOT supported by scripture. Scripture says OPPOSITE of what you are saying when it says that there all those that knew him stood at a distance.

Mary

You're another liar so I won't respond to any more questions. You've proven your lineage by misquoting me and distorting the truth. I'll pray for you, perhaps the Lord will show mercy.

mjrhealth · Feb 6, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
seems like i recall reading somewhere that play is in the Bible like 92 times to redemption's 47 or so.
I thought the cartoon was hilarious and on point myself.
I'm just sorry ppl misunderstood the caption
i am doing God's will!

If you believed it, there would be no smiley face.

bbyrd009 · Feb 6, 2018

mjrhealth said:
If you believed it, there would be no smiley face.

seems the point that pretty much everyone believes that is being missed there, but ok

Marymog · Feb 6, 2018

michaelvpardo said:
You're another liar so I won't respond to any more questions. You've proven your lineage by misquoting me and distorting the truth. I'll pray for you, perhaps the Lord will show mercy.

Thank you Mr. Pardo.

I didn't suspect you would throw out the "liar" and the "misquoting me and distorting the truth" accusation with no evidence or a chance to defend myself. That took me by surprise.

I did suspected you wouldn't be able to articulate a defense of your opinion. At least I gave solid scriptural evidence for what I believed. That's ok....I still love you.

Thank you for your prayers.

Mary

michaelvpardo · Feb 6, 2018

Marymog said:
Thank you Mr. Pardo.

I didn't suspect you would throw out the "liar" and the "misquoting me and distorting the truth" accusation with no evidence or a chance to defend myself. That took me by surprise.

I did suspected you wouldn't be able to articulate a defense of your opinion. At least I gave solid scriptural evidence for what I believed. That's ok....I still love you.

Thank you for your prayers.

Mary

The post I responded too contained the misquote and distortion. Everyone who reads my original post with your response has now got your number. Stop telling lies. Seems to be the thing to do in your church.

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