Are the 144,000 literally "virgins?"

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Here are some thoughts.

The 144,000 could be a choir or band selected to learn a song in Heaven, who were the best of the best men and women of God during their time on earth, on another note the size of Heaven is 12,000 furlongs width and length, which is 144,000 furlongs square, so it could mean it's not a literal 144,000 number of people, but it could mean every single person in heaven living within those 144,000 furlongs square.

Revelations 14:3
"3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth."
 

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@Josho I think maybe you will find it is the City which is 12,000 furlongs high and wide...not heaven...I think heaven is a wee bit bigger ...but all this blows our mind really because how much room does a spiritual world take up...maybe the top of a pinhead would do!!

Yes for sure it is all a spiritual number with spiritual meanings .
A city as tall as it is wide would be very odd...a perfect cube.
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That's why you don't put a new spirit in the old flesh. The old stuff won't live as long.

You too have shown that you have not been refreshed as you like your old skin better.
 

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Then its obviously not referring to them literally being virgins, as if them not being literally virgins defiles them in Gods sight. If that be the case, then the vast majority of Christians are not saved.
Its not about defilement here, but about serving the Lord with the whole heart (a husband is inclined to find ways to please his wife.)(see 1 Corinthians 7:32-34) Its not just 144000 that are saved, but that number is a special possession entirely devoted to the Lord. Would you begrudge the Lord of His closest servants? Jesus made a comment in the gospels regarding those who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of God and you can take Him at His word. (see Matthew 19:11-12) It's not intended for most of us, but for a special people to Himself.
 
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@Josho I think maybe you will find it is the City which is 12,000 furlongs high and wide...not heaven...I think heaven is a wee bit bigger ...but all this blows our mind really because how much room does a spiritual world take up...maybe the top of a pinhead would do!!

Yes for sure it is all a spiritual number with spiritual meanings .
A city as tall as it is wide would be very odd...a perfect cube.
:)
but that would have 8 corners, not 4, right; not that the "city" will be observable by the eyes anyway.
In the same manner, 12x12000 is not meant to be counted imo, these are not literal ppl
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One must understand what God considers a Virgin --- The 144,000 are those that never bent the knee to other deities. If you fell into Pagan worship, you became an Adulterer, which would classify you as a non virgin!

That's on the nail.

Not everything in our Lord Jesus' Revelation is symbolic metaphor, but the idea of a virgin applied in the spiritual sense is. It's an idea first given through the Old Testament prophets, and it was continued in The Gospels and Apostle Paul's epistles (Isaiah 54; Matthew 25; 2 Cor.11). A "chaste virgin", like Apostle Paul said he wanted to present us to Christ as, represents a believer that keeps the Faith waiting on Jesus' return to gather them. The opposite is the 'harlot' idea from the OT prophets, meaning those who fall away from Christ to the "another Jesus" Paul mentioned in 2 Cor.11, and thus those become apostates.
 

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That's on the nail.

Not everything in our Lord Jesus' Revelation is symbolic metaphor, but the idea of a virgin applied in the spiritual sense is. It's an idea first given through the Old Testament prophets, and it was continued in The Gospels and Apostle Paul's epistles (Isaiah 54; Matthew 25; 2 Cor.11). A "chaste virgin", like Apostle Paul said he wanted to present us to Christ as, represents a believer that keeps the Faith waiting on Jesus' return to gather them. The opposite is the 'harlot' idea from the OT prophets, meaning those who fall away from Christ to the "another Jesus" Paul mentioned in 2 Cor.11, and thus those become apostates.

Yes, but I believe that these 144,000 are what is called in the OT, a remnant of the original Hebrew people that have never transgressed the Commandment's of God, Specifically when it come's to worshiping Idol's. To serve another god would in fact label you as an Adulterer, and in God's eye's so to speak a harlot, so you could not be a Virgin, in the Spiritual sense.
 
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You too have shown that you have not been refreshed as you like your old skin better.
Why you say that ? because you have be redeemed you think the flesh your in now will live in heaven. All flesh will be melted away.
 

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Here are some thoughts.

The 144,000 could be a choir or band selected to learn a song in Heaven, who were the best of the best men and women of God during their time on earth, on another note the size of Heaven is 12,000 furlongs width and length, which is 144,000 furlongs square, so it could mean it's not a literal 144,000 number of people, but it could mean every single person in heaven living within those 144,000 furlongs square.

Revelations 14:3
"3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth."

Notice, its as it were a new song. Its a old song that the prophets talked about long ago. The song they preach are this world will end soon. Just as it has been destroyed before. And it is sung before the four stars that will create the new heavens and earth.( four living creatures ) The four stars one in the north, one in the south. the one you see every morning and the one in the outer court. To much info. Again 144000 the understanding is they are teachers.
 

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Why you say that ? because you have be redeemed you think the flesh your in now will live in heaven. All flesh will be melted away.

I say it because what you write does not reflect the God that I worship.

Also your English constructs reflects another culture.
 
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I say it because what you write does not reflect the God that I worship.

Also your English constructs reflects another culture.

Thanks. I will try not to use large and many words. Enough false books have been written. My God is the Holy Father, My Christ is the Holy Son, And also the Holy Spirit works for us Holy, Holy, Holy be the names. My God says love one another. But first love God that He may teach us that we may love. Same God.
 

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Notice, its as it were a new song. Its a old song that the prophets talked about long ago. The song they preach are this world will end soon. Just as it has been destroyed before. And it is sung before the four stars that will create the new heavens and earth.( four living creatures ) The four stars one in the north, one in the south. the one you see every morning and the one in the outer court. To much info. Again 144000 the understanding is they are teachers.

Ezekiel 1
13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

I be horn swabled and bush wacked its a star.
 

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Its not about defilement here, but about serving the Lord with the whole heart (a husband is inclined to find ways to please his wife.)(see 1 Corinthians 7:32-34) Its not just 144000 that are saved, but that number is a special possession entirely devoted to the Lord. Would you begrudge the Lord of His closest servants? Jesus made a comment in the gospels regarding those who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of God and you can take Him at His word. (see Matthew 19:11-12) It's not intended for most of us, but for a special people to Himself.

This is a good explanation. Do I envy them? Nah, I could care less about these 144,000 "virgins" when it comes down to it. There are certain things I just don't get too hung up on. As long as I am not the one getting drop kicked into the fire in the end, I don't care.
 
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Yes, but I believe that these 144,000 are what is called in the OT, a remnant of the original Hebrew people that have never transgressed the Commandment's of God, Specifically when it come's to worshiping Idol's. To serve another god would in fact label you as an Adulterer, and in God's eye's so to speak a harlot, so you could not be a Virgin, in the Spiritual sense.

In reality they all represent Israelite Christians, and only 3 tribes of them represent Jews (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi). The rest of them are of the ten lost tribes of Israel that were scattered in a separate captivity before the Jews were.

That Rev.7 chapter is about Christ's Church that are 'sealed' with God's seal for the end. The 144,000 represent those sealed in Christ of Israelite heritage. The "great multitude" represents those sealed in Christ of the Gentiles.
 
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