Peter's sermon, Acts 2:31-38 on Pentecost:

H. Richard · Feb 19, 2018

I believe that Peter's sermon has been taken out of context and used as a blanket sermon about repenting and being water baptized. This article is my attempt to prove that it has to be read “IN CONTEXT.“

(was it to the Jews and the Gentiles, or just to the Jews?)

Acts 2:31 38 (NKJV)
31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.
32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.
33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
34 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
'The Lord said to my Lord,
'Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."'

In the above Peter is testifying to the “”Jews”” that Jesus is the promised Christ.

36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

No mention of Gentiles

37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Peter tells the Jews they have crucified the Lord of Glory. The Jews wanted to know what they could do to atone """for crucifying Jesus."""

38 ""THEN"" Peter said to “”THEM,”” (them = the Jews) "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Note: Verse 36 is the verse that says who he is talking to, Verse 38 is a DIRECT answer to the question in verse 37. The Jews were to repent of rejecting Jesus and having Him crucified. NOTE: It was not to repent of sins of the sinful flesh. Nowhere in the context of these scriptures has sins of the sinful flesh been mentioned.

The Jews were to fulfill a Jewish ritual of water cleansing (water baptism), a ritual under the Law of Moses, and at the same time they were to 'acknowledge' Jesus as the Christ by performing a water cleansing ritual (baptism) in His name.

39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." Note, the promises were made to the Jews only under a covenant.

Peter's sermon included verse 39 which was taken from Joel 2:28 29 and was about the ""promise of the Holy Spirit"" that was to be “”given to the Jews.”” Verse 39 was to assure the Jews that their sin of rejecting Jesus would be forgiven and that they would also be given the Holy Spirit (see verse 38). Joel 2:28 3:1

Many theologians teach that Peter was including the Gentiles in verse 39. But how can that be true since it was necessary for God, at a later date, to give Peter a dream to teach him that the Gentiles were included. Acts 10:9 16.

I believe some people are brain dead when they refuse to connect the dots. In Acts 2 we see Peter preaching to the Jews. Some say it was to everyone. But covenant promises were only made to the Jews, not the Gentiles. ---- DOT #1

In Acts 10:9 we see God giving Peter a vision which said that what God has called clean let no man call unclean. Why? Didn't Peter already know it in Acts 2??---- DOT #2

Acts 10:45
45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. astonished!!!!! according to some Peter knew it in Acts 2. --- DOT #3

We see that Peter did not know the Gentiles were included until Acts 10:45 so how could Peter start the church in Acts 2 ????

Although it was the Gentiles that actually killed Jesus they did it because the Jews insisted. The Gentiles did not need to repent for what the Jews did. Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles therefore the Gentiles had not rejected Him. (Matt 10:5 7) (Matt 15:23 24) (Rom 15:8)

Matthew 27:24 25 (NKJV)
24 When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, "I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it."
Note this verse:
25 And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children."

Verse 25 above is important.

Peter's sermon has been used as a blanket sermon about repenting and being water baptized in many of the Christian Religious churches. It has become a “FORMULA” to be repeated in order to be saved. This formula is stated as a commandment in their theological statement.

I know that some will reject this writing. But IMHO, I don't think Peter's sermon is appropriate or valid for this age of grace and those that use it are preaching a sermon that was preached to the Jews, those that had Christ crucified, as if it also applies to the Gentiles. IMHO, that is a blatant falsehood because it is not the truth. IMHO = In my honest opinion.

Then how is one saved in this age of God’s grace? Rom 10:8 13

8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." NKJV

There is nothing in Rom 10:8 13 about an act of water baptism or repentance.

Windmillcharge · Feb 19, 2018

H. Richard said:
There is nothing in Rom 10:8 13 about an act of water baptism or repentance

but there is plenty in the NT about repentance.
From John preaching a baptism of repentance, through Jesus, I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance to Peter the Lord is not slow, wanting everyone to come to repentance.

and is matthew 28 only directed to the jews or is it for the whole world?

101G · Feb 19, 2018

H. Richard said:
I believe that Peter's sermon has been taken out of context and used as a blanket sermon about repenting and being water baptized. This article is my attempt to prove that it has to be read “IN CONTEXT.“

(was it to the Jews and the Gentiles, or just to the Jews?)

Acts 2:31 38 (NKJV)
31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.
32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.
33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
34 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
'The Lord said to my Lord,
'Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."'

In the above Peter is testifying to the “”Jews”” that Jesus is the promised Christ.

36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

No mention of Gentiles

37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Peter tells the Jews they have crucified the Lord of Glory. The Jews wanted to know what they could do to atone """for crucifying Jesus."""

38 ""THEN"" Peter said to “”THEM,”” (them = the Jews) "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Note: Verse 36 is the verse that says who he is talking to, Verse 38 is a DIRECT answer to the question in verse 37. The Jews were to repent of rejecting Jesus and having Him crucified. NOTE: It was not to repent of sins of the sinful flesh. Nowhere in the context of these scriptures has sins of the sinful flesh been mentioned.

The Jews were to fulfill a Jewish ritual of water cleansing (water baptism), a ritual under the Law of Moses, and at the same time they were to 'acknowledge' Jesus as the Christ by performing a water cleansing ritual (baptism) in His name.

39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." Note, the promises were made to the Jews only under a covenant.

Peter's sermon included verse 39 which was taken from Joel 2:28 29 and was about the ""promise of the Holy Spirit"" that was to be “”given to the Jews.”” Verse 39 was to assure the Jews that their sin of rejecting Jesus would be forgiven and that they would also be given the Holy Spirit (see verse 38). Joel 2:28 3:1

Many theologians teach that Peter was including the Gentiles in verse 39. But how can that be true since it was necessary for God, at a later date, to give Peter a dream to teach him that the Gentiles were included. Acts 10:9 16.

I believe some people are brain dead when they refuse to connect the dots. In Acts 2 we see Peter preaching to the Jews. Some say it was to everyone. But covenant promises were only made to the Jews, not the Gentiles. ---- DOT #1

In Acts 10:9 we see God giving Peter a vision which said that what God has called clean let no man call unclean. Why? Didn't Peter already know it in Acts 2??---- DOT #2

Acts 10:45
45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. astonished!!!!! according to some Peter knew it in Acts 2. --- DOT #3

We see that Peter did not know the Gentiles were included until Acts 10:45 so how could Peter start the church in Acts 2 ????

Although it was the Gentiles that actually killed Jesus they did it because the Jews insisted. The Gentiles did not need to repent for what the Jews did. Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles therefore the Gentiles had not rejected Him. (Matt 10:5 7) (Matt 15:23 24) (Rom 15:8)

Matthew 27:24 25 (NKJV)
24 When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, "I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it."
Note this verse:
25 And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children."

Verse 25 above is important.

Peter's sermon has been used as a blanket sermon about repenting and being water baptized in many of the Christian Religious churches. It has become a “FORMULA” to be repeated in order to be saved. This formula is stated as a commandment in their theological statement.

I know that some will reject this writing. But IMHO, I don't think Peter's sermon is appropriate or valid for this age of grace and those that use it are preaching a sermon that was preached to the Jews, those that had Christ crucified, as if it also applies to the Gentiles. IMHO, that is a blatant falsehood because it is not the truth. IMHO = In my honest opinion.

Then how is one saved in this age of God’s grace? Rom 10:8 13

8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." NKJV

There is nothing in Rom 10:8 13 about an act of water baptism or repentance.

Thanks for the post. not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this concerning gentiles. in acts chapter 2 there is a list of countries where these Jews was from, but verses 10 holds the key to none Jews by birth. Acts 2:10: "Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes," this word proselytes means, The name given to any from among the nations who embraced Judaism.

to clearly understand that these proselytes was none Jews, the very verse itself makes the contrast between Jews and proselytes. read verse 10 again and note the contrast between Jews and proselytes.

and it is further brought out by the apostle himself, that this gospel was for everyone. Acts 2:39: "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

question, is the Lord Jesus calling people unto himself even today? yes, so this sermon was, and is for us today as the sermon of God to the restoration of mankind.

PCY.

VictoryinJesus · Feb 19, 2018

101G said:
Thanks for the post. not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this concerning gentiles. in acts chapter 2 there is a list of countries where these Jews was from, but verses 10 holds the key to none Jews by birth. Acts 2:10: "Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes," this word proselytes means, The name given to any from among the nations who embraced Judaism.

to clearly understand that these proselytes was none Jews, the very verse itself makes the contrast between Jews and proselytes. read verse 10 again and note the contrast between Jews and proselytes.

and it is further brought out by the apostle himself, that this gospel was for everyone. Acts 2:39: "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

question, is the Lord Jesus calling people unto himself even today? yes, so this sermon was, and is for us today as the sermon of God to the restoration of mankind.

PCY.

Agree with:
Ephesians 2:16-17
[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Acts 2:39
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Afar off and nigh.

101G · Feb 20, 2018

VictoryinJesus said:
Agree with:
Ephesians 2:16-17
[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Acts 2:39
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Afar off and nigh.

VJ, on point and correct. see this promise was given by Faith when God preached it to Abraham, listen. Genesis 17:26 "In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son.
27 "And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him". here clearly, the "stranger" of Abraham house was included. but notice what Isaiah said,

Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob". see whohouse this is now? this verse here in Isaiah is what you quoted in Ephesians 2:16-17, so make a cross reference there.

Now, remember this. some Jews who was "DIVORCE" by God was also called "strangers" also. so take note of this. now watch this, Isaiah 56:6 "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; VERSE 7 "7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people". this is in direct reference to Mark 11:17 "And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves". you might want to make a cross reference here also.

Understand, the Sons of the stranger/Gentiles, that join, or is (BORN AGAIN) unto the Lord is apart of the NEW COVENANT and co-heirs with Christ. you can make cross reference with John chapter 3 to the NEW BIRTH from here in Isaiah. also you can make two more cross reference to this new BIRTH. one in Acts chapter 10, with a man, a GENTILE man, name Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band. Captain Cornelius NEW BIRTH proved to me in this dispensation of GRACE, our calling is not predesignated, (and i have a few more scriptures to back that up). here is way I say this. Captain Cornelius if you will notice after praying an angel of the Lord Jesus, (GOD) came to him in a vision. and said these words, listen closely. Acts 10:3-5 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. 4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. 5 "And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter" now if you want to make a BOOKMARK of your bible, well here is a GOOD PLACE to make it.

Notice the angel said, his prayers and alms are come up before God. now the Greek word for memorial is,
G3422 μνημόσυνον mnemosunon (mnee-mo-sï '-non) n.
a reminder (memorandum), i.e. record.
[from G3421]
KJV: memorial

a Reminder is Synonyms with remembrance, now hold that thought.

let's go back to the OT book of Malachi 3:16 & 17 "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. 17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him".

two things to note in these verse.
#1. a book of "REMEMBRANCE" is written. (see Revelation 20:12). if I was you, a cross ref is there too.

#2 the Hebrew word for remembrance is
H2146 זִכרוֹן zikrown (zik-rone') n-m.
a memento (or memorable thing, day or writing).
[from H2142]
KJV: memorial, record.

was not Captain Cornelius prayers and his alms are come up for a memorial before God?. (Acts 10:4). you might want to make a bookmark there also.

#4. in Malachi 3: 17 "in that day when I make up my jewels". God just told us something from the OT. in the NT "WHEN", when, when, he "MAKE UP" his jewels. VJ these are the ONE'S that the apostle Peter said that the Lord "WILL" call. this tell me they HAVEN'T BEEN CALLED. if they was called from the beginning (already ELECTED) why God, the Lord Jesus is now MAKING UP his Jewels. BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CALLED YET. see, when God said in that DAY, meaning a day to come, and that day is in the grace period, he shall call/Chose/ELECT his own. see, this is what I was speaking about the remnant and the elect. and as said, you might want to make a cross reference here too.

I hope you gotten something out of this post,

PCY.

H. Richard · Feb 20, 2018

Windmillcharge said:
but there is plenty in the NT about repentance.
From John preaching a baptism of repentance, through Jesus, I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance to Peter the Lord is not slow, wanting everyone to come to repentance.

and is matthew 28 only directed to the jews or is it for the whole world?

***

Jesus said He only came to the house of Israel.

Let me make it clear that Jesus Christ, by His own words, did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message "the kingdom gospel" sent to the Gentiles. He did not offer the "kingdom of heaven" TO the Gentiles. The following scriptures support my view.

Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Paul said: Rom 15:8 (NKJ)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Note that in Matt 10:5-7 and Matt 15:23-24 Jesus said He did not come EXCEPT to the house of Israel. Jesus came to confirm/fulfill all that was written of Him in the O.T. His mission was to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. This is what Paul meant in Rom 15:8.

Now you can just overide what Jesus said if you wish but if you do don't claim you follow Jesus and what He said because you are not if you wish to ignore them.

bbyrd009 · Feb 20, 2018

there are no Jew or Gentile in the kingdom
-Christ

H. Richard · Feb 20, 2018

101G said:
Thanks for the post. not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this concerning gentiles. in acts chapter 2 there is a list of countries where these Jews was from, but verses 10 holds the key to none Jews by birth. Acts 2:10: "Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes," this word proselytes means, The name given to any from among the nations who embraced Judaism.

to clearly understand that these proselytes was none Jews, the very verse itself makes the contrast between Jews and proselytes. read verse 10 again and note the contrast between Jews and proselytes.

and it is further brought out by the apostle himself, that this gospel was for everyone. Acts 2:39: "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

question, is the Lord Jesus calling people unto himself even today? yes, so this sermon was, and is for us today as the sermon of God to the restoration of mankind.

PCY.

***

Since Peter did not know that Gentiles would be included until Acts 10:45 why do you insist that Peter was including the Gentiles in Acts 2 ?

Acts 10:44-45
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
NKJV

Verse 45 is a lie if Peter already knew the Gentiles were included.

101G · Feb 20, 2018

H. Richard said:
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Since Peter did not know that Gentiles would be included until Acts 10:45 why do you insist that Peter was including the Gentiles in Acts 2 ?

Acts 10:44-45
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
NKJV

Verse 45 is a lie if Peter already knew the Gentiles were included.

GINOLJC, to all. first thanks for the response. second, I must disagree with your assessment that Peter didn't know the gentiles was included. here's why. let's go back to chapter 1. Acts 1:6-8: "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

this sermon was geared to the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 2:5: "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."

PCJ

Windmillcharge · Feb 21, 2018

H. Richard said:
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Jesus said He only came to the house of Israel.

Let me make it clear that Jesus Christ, by His own words, did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message "the kingdom gospel" sent to the Gentiles. He did not offer the "kingdom of heaven" TO the Gentiles. The following scriptures support my view.

Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Paul said: Rom 15:8 (NKJ)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Note that in Matt 10:5-7 and Matt 15:23-24 Jesus said He did not come EXCEPT to the house of Israel. Jesus came to confirm/fulfill all that was written of Him in the O.T. His mission was to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. This is what Paul meant in Rom 15:8.

Now you can just overide what Jesus said if you wish but if you do don't claim you follow Jesus and what He said because you are not if you wish to ignore them.

I don't dispute that Jesus came to the Jews. I'm talking about repentance, something you said is not there.

H. Richard · Feb 21, 2018

101G said:
GINOLJC, to all. first thanks for the response. second, I must disagree with your assessment that Peter didn't know the gentiles was included. here's why. let's go back to chapter 1. Acts 1:6-8: "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

this sermon was geared to the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 2:5: "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."

PCJ

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When Jesus returns and sets up the promised kingdom of the Jews and reigns for 1000 years the Jews will witness to the uttermost parts of the world that Jesus is Lord. It is at that time that Jesus will restore the the kingdom to Israel.

H. Richard · Feb 21, 2018

Windmillcharge said:
I don't dispute that Jesus came to the Jews. I'm talking about repentance, something you said is not there.

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There is nothing in Rom 10:8 13 about an act of water baptism or repentance. If you think there is show it to me in the verses under consideration in Rom 10:8 -13. Don't go all over the Bible showing other verses since they are NOT the verses I said did not include water baptism or repentance.

bbyrd009 · Feb 21, 2018

H. Richard said:
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When Jesus returns and sets up the promised kingdom of the Jews and reigns for 1000 years the Jews will witness to the uttermost parts of the world that Jesus is Lord. It is at that time that Jesus will restore the the kingdom to Israel.

yikes already, HR. still deluded and loving it, huh.

101G · Feb 21, 2018

H. Richard said:
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When Jesus returns and sets up the promised kingdom of the Jews and reigns for 1000 years the Jews will witness to the uttermost parts of the world that Jesus is Lord. It is at that time that Jesus will restore the the kingdom to Israel.

GINOLJC, to all. thanks for the response. second, the promise kingdom of Jew are not Jewish naturally born. scripture, Romans 2:28 & 29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God". the Kingdom of Israel, or Jacob is already being restored, it started on Pentecost, when the Lord Jesus returned in Spirit and POWER.

PCJ.

Windmillcharge · Feb 22, 2018

H. Richard said:
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There is nothing in Rom 10:8 13 about an act of water baptism or repentance. If you think there is show it to me in the verses under consideration in Rom 10:8 -13. Don't go all over the Bible showing other verses since they are NOT the verses I said did not include water baptism or repentance.

I am not talking about Roman 10. I am talking about the need for repentance.

bbyrd009 · Feb 22, 2018

Windmillcharge said:
I am not talking about Roman 10. I am talking about the need for repentance.

ha then apparently you don't yet understand HRs rules of Order lol; no other Scripture allowed

H. Richard · Feb 22, 2018

Windmillcharge said:
I am not talking about Roman 10. I am talking about the need for repentance.

I know what you are doing. But it is outside of the OP. Start your own thread. What you are doing is trying to set your scriptures up as canceling the ones I gave.

bbyrd009 · Feb 22, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
yikes already, HR. still deluded and loving it, huh.

i mean no offense here, but you have the future down pat, it seems?
imo this is what happens when you go to oracles for your theology, wadr
that guy that you paid all that money to for that understanding is clueless, ok

bbyrd009 · Feb 22, 2018

H. Richard said:
I know what you are doing. But it is outside of the OP. Start your own thread. What you are doing is trying to set your scriptures up as canceling the ones I gave.

"his Scriptures" lol.
you even acknowledge that there is Scripture you refuse to contemplate?
reading Scripture logically is a waste of time, huh; that is the only way that can be done, i guess

fwiw i even agree with your conclusion, but that is bc baptism is not a ritual imo

why not go start your own blog if you do not want to put your beliefs through the fire, HR?

H. Richard · Feb 23, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
"his Scriptures" lol.
you even acknowledge that there is Scripture you refuse to contemplate?
reading Scripture logically is a waste of time, huh; that is the only way that can be done, i guess

fwiw i even agree with your conclusion, but that is bc baptism is not a ritual imo

why not go start your own blog if you do not want to put your beliefs through the fire, HR?

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Obviously you don't know that this is my thread (blog). There are no scriptures I refuse to contemplate in their own context. If he wants to study water baptism or repentance then I will address them in the context of a study on them.

Peter's sermon, Acts 2:31-38 on Pentecost:

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