Why I could personally never chose to be Catholic

bbyrd009 · Feb 19, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
WHO said anything about "crossing" my fingers??

As I stated in post #38 - my salvation depends on depends on my cooperation with God's grace - and therein lies my HOPE.

nice

BreadOfLife · Feb 19, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
"unless he shall have learned this by a special revelation"
not your quote, and i also understand not the point of the quote, yet there it is

PLEASE stop being cryptic for once, bbyrd and just tell me what you're talking about.

In post #28 - YOU were responding to MY previous post:
That's good preachin' from Trent.
I said that I know that I am going to Heaven - IF I remain faithful to the end.
That's not absolute certainty - that's Faith and HOPE . . .

YOU responded with:
"nice, i'm kind of surprised at the "special rev" part, i thought the RCC frowned on that?"

Sooooo, WHAT are you talking about??

bbyrd009 · Feb 19, 2018

Webers_Home said:
...unless he shall have learned this by a special revelation, let him be anathema.

BreadOfLife said:
That's good preachin' from Trent.

bbyrd009 said:
nice, i'm kind of surprised at the "special rev" part, i thought the RCC frowned on that?

mjrhealth · Feb 19, 2018

@BreadOfLife

1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

your church agrees with no ne but itself as you do.

Oh look no bold letters to scream down at people, geee willikas.

epostle1 · Feb 19, 2018

Webers_Home said:
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Whether the Bible is someone's sole authority or their secondary authority
makes no difference because in the long run it is still an authority-- a valid
authority fully recognized as such by the Roman Catholic Church.

That's true, but the Bible is not to be used in isolation from Tradition and the Magisterium. Then it becomes a weapon against the Church and the Bible never does that. You do it because it is a man made tradition. You anti-Catholics need to grow up.

Many of the Catholics with whom I've dialogued place far more faith in the

Catechism of the Catholic Church (a.k.a. CCC) than they do the Bible; which
is not an uncommon error.

If it were not for the thousands of heretics down through 2000 years of church history, WE WOULDN'T NEED A CATECHISM! You don't cite which paragraphs you allegedly dialogue with Catholics, so your claim is phony.

For example: when Christ was here, he
condemned elements of Judaism that are allowed more authority than the
Bible (Matt 23:23 and Mark 7:6-13). Well, that being his manner; I've no
doubt Christ has a list of things that he'd like very much culled from the
CCC.

A non-sequitur fallacy. You are too much of a coward to list them, with paragraph numbers. You know you are LYING because you know at every Mass, 3 readings from the BIBLE are recited, and you know that nothing from the catechism is read. To unknowingly LIE is one thing, to knowingly LIE is something else. Using the catechism does not mean Catholics are replacing the Bible, that is an anti-Catholic myth. It's a study aid; get over yourself.

According to the Vatican Council (Sess. III, c. ii) the Scriptures are sacred
and canonical because "having been written by inspiration of the Holy Ghost,
they have God for their author"

Faithful Roman Catholics should not be reluctant to agree with the Council's
ruling that the Bible is:

1• Sacred

2• Canonical

3• Inspired by the Holy Ghost, and

4• Authored by God

There's also this:

"In its pages we recognize His voice, we hear a message of deep significance
for every one of us. Through the spiritual dynamism and prophetic force of
the Bible, the Holy Spirit spreads His light and His warmth over all men, in
whatever historical or sociological situation they find themselves." (Paulus PP
VI, from the Vatican, September 18, 1970)

So then; according to that Vatican Council and to Paulus PP VI; when people
listen to the Bible; they're hearing the voice of God, and also listening to
that which the Holy Spirit utilizes to spread His light and His warmth over all
men.

According to the apostle Paul; a knowledge of the Bible protects people from
falsehood.

● 2Tim 4:2-4 . .Preach the word of God. Be persistent, whether the time is
favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with
good teaching. For a time is coming when they will no longer listen to right
teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who
will tell them whatever they want to hear. They will reject the truth and
follow strange myths.

In reference to the parable of the sower; Christ said: "This is the meaning of
the parable: the seed is the word of God" (Luke 8:11)

When people allow the CCC to overrule the Bible, they become the path
spoken of in that parable. Well; whoever reads the parable of the sower
knows that the word of God does not take root in that particular kind of soil;
it's a killing field for evil.

"Those on the path are the ones who have heard, but the Devil comes and
takes away the word from their hearts that they may not believe and be
saved." (Luke 8:12)

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Your quotes to the Second Vatican Council are meaningless without a direct link. You obviously have issues with the catechism. It does not over-rule the Bible, that's just fundamentalist nonsense. The catechism rests on the Bible, not the other way around. The primary source for the catechism is the Bible, you are just too angry and hostile to see it. The catechism is peppered with scripture, but you view scripture in isolation from Tradition and the Magisterium that it came from. Your view of scripture is unbiblical but you judge Catholic documents according to your man made tradition of sola scriptura.

Here you are inventing more lies about what the catechism is for and how it is to be used. And who are you trying to fool by quoting Pope Paul 6, yet reject everything else he taught?

There is also the reformed Catechism(1563) and the Westminster Shorter Catechism (1648), why don't you go bother them?

BreadOfLife · Feb 19, 2018

Ahhhh - so, you're quoting Trent.
Why didn't you just say that in the first place??

Why would you say that the Church "frowns" on personal or special revelation. Church history is loaded with incidents of special revelation. Ever heard of St. Bernadette of Lourdes or Fatima?

BreadOfLife · Feb 19, 2018

mjrhealth said:
@BreadOfLife

1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

your church agrees with no ne but itself as you do.

Oh look no bold letters to scream down at people, geee willikas.

Soooooo, does that mean you have NO answers for the verses I posted in post #32??
That's pretty much what I thought, mjr.

The ignorant are always avoiding having to answer the tough questions . . .

mjrhealth · Feb 19, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
Soooooo, does that mean you have NO answers for the verses I posted in post #32??
That's pretty much what I thought, mjr.

The ignorant are always avoiding having to answer the tough questions . . .

Tough question easy answewr

I am the way teh truth and teh Life says teh Lord, no one will enter into heaven but by me". No catholic church mentioned.

Why do you persecute Him so.???

BreadOfLife · Feb 19, 2018

mjrhealth said:
Tough question easy answewr
I am the way teh truth and teh Life says teh Lord, no one will enter into heaven but by me". No catholic church mentioned.

Why do you persecute Him so.???

As usual - you didn't answer or address ANY of the verses I presented, although I'm not surprised, coming from you.

You do an awful lot of blathering on this forum and most of it without any real substance.
It reads like any one of the pages of your online cult over at aggressivechristianity.net.

Now - how 'bout addressing the following verses about Church Authority . . .

Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matt. 18:15-18
"If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that 'every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
Amen, I say to you, Whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.

He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINEand declare it to YOU.

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

Good luck . . .

mjrhealth · Feb 19, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
Now - how 'bout addressing the following verses about Church Authority . . .

well BOL first off, I do not find your questions difficult, not stupid, just plain ignorant, for you do not know the things of God
This bit

Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Do you not understand, that when a man comes to Christ he becomes a citizen of heaven and is therefore subject to teh rules laws and statutes from Heaven, but when a man joins himself to a religion like you and all your protestant brothers and sisters, they become citizens of the religion they give them selves to and are therefore subject to teh laws statutes and doctrines of there religion. But how would you understand, you are a catholic by name by nature, its what sweats out of your pores and vomits out of your mouth, catholism its in your blood. this bit.

1Co_6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

see we who are in Christ are subject to Christ as He is our authority and there is none greater than Him on this earth, you on the other hand and your catholic friends are bound by you religion, hand and foot, prisoners, Jesus came to set us free, some choose to remain prisoners just the the Israeites.

Exo_14:11 And they said unto Moses, Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt?

well some prefer egypt than there freedom in Christ. Dont know why I bother..

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

God bless

Webers_Home · Feb 20, 2018

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Eternal life is often mistaken for immortality. The two are not the same.

Immortality is a material kind of life that has to do with a superhuman body
impervious to age, death, and putrefaction.

Eternal life, on the other hand, isn't a material kind of life; it's a spirit kind of
life; which is why it's possible for people to obtain eternal life prior to
obtaining immortality.

For example: Christ had eternal life when he was here (John 5:26, 1John
1:1-2) but according to Rom 6:9 and Rev 1:18, he didn't obtain immortality
till he rose from the dead.

Likewise Christ's believing followers won't obtain immortality until their
resurrections (Rom 8:23-25, 1Cor 15:51-53, and 1Thss 4:14-17). However;
it's possible for them to obtain eternal life now, before they pass on.

In the passages below, note the grammatical tense of the "have" verbs.
They're in the present tense; not future, indicating that believers have
eternal life right now-- no delay, and no waiting period.

● John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

● John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

● John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from Death into Life.

● 1John 5:13 . . I write these things to you who believe in the name of the
Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

The right-now possession of eternal life is very crucial because according to
God's testimony, as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to
Christianity; people lacking eternal life do not have God's son. In other
words: they are currently quite christless.

● 1John 5:11-12 . . This is what God has testified: He has given us eternal
life, and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has this life; and
whosoever does not have this life, does not have His son.

People that argue with God's testimony, are insinuating that He not only
doesn't know what He's talking about, but also that God is a dishonest
person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the truth.

● 1John 5:10 . .Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar by not
believing the testimony God has given about His son.

When people do that-- when they insinuate that God is dishonest --they
imply that He belongs in hell because according to Rev 21:8, hell is where all
liars are destined.

Anyway; I should think that it goes without saying that christless people are
in grave danger of the sum of all fears.

● Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

We can be sure that there are millions of christless people throughout the
world; but are there any christless Christians? Well; for starters: Roman
Catholicism-- known everywhere as the largest single denomination in the
world --currently consists of approximately 1.2 billion followers who all, to a
man, including the Pope, insist that nobody obtains eternal life till sometime
after they die and cross over to the afterlife.

Well; that can mean but one thing, and one thing only: seeing as how those
1.2 billion souls are currently lacking eternal life, then according to God's
expert testimony they are currently Christians without Christ, and they will
pass on without Christ; you can safely apply that rule to any, and all,
denominations, religions, and/or spiritual ideologies insisting that eternal life
cannot be obtained prior to one's demise.

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Jun2u · Feb 20, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
Then you'll have to show me where the Bible says that it is our SOLE Authority.
MY Bible says that Christ's Church is our earthly authority . . .

As I’ve said in the past, Catholics do not know how to read nor understand Scriptures, or connect the dots, so to speak! Is it because they believe with confidence that their church is the pillar and ground of truth? Can the leaders of ANY church be the pillar and ground of truth who are sinners, take care of the church which the Lord Jesus built by going to the cross? They may think it but NOT POSSIBLE!!! BECAUSE the Catholic Church follows a false gospel.

It is obvious as well as amazing how you display your lack of understanding in reading Scripture. You can’t even “see” that the Bible is the only authority that determines and structures the true Gospel. What part of Revelation 22:18 did you not understand? Even a six-year-old who can read will understand it’s meaning.

Revelation 22:18 is only the first part that the Bible is the SOLE AUTHORITY. Verse 19 declares that “if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things WRITTEN in this book.”

Thus Revelation 22:18-19 with the phrase, “written in this book,” and it’s ominous warnings teaches that the Bible alone and in its entirety determines and structures the true Gospel, which I hold.

To be fair to you and your church, there are Protestant churches that do not understand the consequences of Revelation 22:18-19, hence they argue and believe that the phenomenon of speaking in tongues, miracle healing, dreams, and visions, hearing from God in an audible voice is still possible today, not knowing this phenomenon stopped when the Bible was completed.

However, it is far better to be in those churches where the Gospel can still be heard than to be in one denomination of over one billion members where the blind leader leads the blind.

To God Be The Glory

mjrhealth · Feb 20, 2018

Jun2u said:
not knowing this phenomenon stopped when the Bible was completed.

It never stopped, men just stopped listening

Act_2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act_2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

BreadOfLife · Feb 20, 2018

Jun2u said:
As I’ve said in the past, Catholics do not know how to read nor understand Scriptures, or connect the dots, so to speak! Is it because they believe with confidence that their church is the pillar and ground of truth? Can the leaders of ANY church be the pillar and ground of truth who are sinners, take care of the church which the Lord Jesus built by going to the cross? They may think it but NOT POSSIBLE!!! BECAUSE the Catholic Church follows a false gospel.

It is obvious as well as amazing how you display your lack of understanding in reading Scripture. You can’t even “see” that the Bible is the only authority that determines and structures the true Gospel. What part of Revelation 22:18 did you not understand? Even a six-year-old who can read will understand it’s meaning.

Revelation 22:18 is only the first part that the Bible is the SOLE AUTHORITY. Verse 19 declares that “if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things WRITTEN in this book.”

Thus Revelation 22:18-19 with the phrase, “written in this book,” and it’s ominous warnings teaches that the Bible alone and in its entirety determines and structures the true Gospel, which I hold.

To be fair to you and your church, there are Protestant churches that do not understand the consequences of Revelation 22:18-19, hence they argue and believe that the phenomenon of speaking in tongues, miracle healing, dreams, and visions, hearing from God in an audible voice is still possible today, not knowing this phenomenon stopped when the Bible was completed.

However, it is far better to be in those churches where the Gospel can still be heard than to be in one denomination of over one billion members where the blind leader leads the blind.

To God Be The Glory

Uhhhhh, first of all, "Written in this Book" refers only to REVELATION.

Secondly, the Church IS the pillar and foundation of truth - according to the very Bible that YOU claim is our "only" Authority.

Finally - for all of your moronic Catholic-bashing - you have YET to answer my question that I have asked repeatedly:
Can you show me where the Bible says that it is our SOLE Authority??
MY Bible says that Christ's Church is our earthly authority . . .

Please respond ONLY if you have the chapter and verse . . .

BreadOfLife · Feb 20, 2018

mjrhealth said:
well BOL first off, I do not find your questions difficult, not stupid, just plain ignorant, for you do not know the things of God
This bit

Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Do you not understand, that when a man comes to Christ he becomes a citizen of heaven and is therefore subject to teh rules laws and statutes from Heaven, but when a man joins himself to a religion like you and all your protestant brothers and sisters, they become citizens of the religion they give them selves to and are therefore subject to teh laws statutes and doctrines of there religion. But how would you understand, you are a catholic by name by nature, its what sweats out of your pores and vomits out of your mouth, catholism its in your blood. this bit.

1Co_6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

see we who are in Christ are subject to Christ as He is our authority and there is none greater than Him on this earth, you on the other hand and your catholic friends are bound by you religion, hand and foot, prisoners, Jesus came to set us free, some choose to remain prisoners just the the Israeites.

Exo_14:11 And they said unto Moses, Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt?

well some prefer egypt than there freedom in Christ. Dont know why I bother..

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

God bless

So, you've FAILED again t address even ONE of the passages of Scripture I presented.
This is what is known as "Spiritual Pride". The Holy Spirit is knocking - yet you refuse to answer the door.

When you get a chance - take a look at those verses and pray about it because your current condition is NO way to live.
I'm hoping that the scales will fall from your rebellious eyes . . .

aspen · Feb 20, 2018

Jun2u said:
As I’ve said in the past, Catholics do not know how to read nor understand Scriptures, or connect the dots, so to speak! Is it because they believe with confidence that their church is the pillar and ground of truth? Can the leaders of ANY church be the pillar and ground of truth who are sinners, take care of the church which the Lord Jesus built by going to the cross? They may think it but NOT POSSIBLE!!! BECAUSE the Catholic Church follows a false gospel.

It is obvious as well as amazing how you display your lack of understanding in reading Scripture. You can’t even “see” that the Bible is the only authority that determines and structures the true Gospel. What part of Revelation 22:18 did you not understand? Even a six-year-old who can read will understand it’s meaning.

Revelation 22:18 is only the first part that the Bible is the SOLE AUTHORITY. Verse 19 declares that “if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things WRITTEN in this book.”

Thus Revelation 22:18-19 with the phrase, “written in this book,” and it’s ominous warnings teaches that the Bible alone and in its entirety determines and structures the true Gospel, which I hold.

To be fair to you and your church, there are Protestant churches that do not understand the consequences of Revelation 22:18-19, hence they argue and believe that the phenomenon of speaking in tongues, miracle healing, dreams, and visions, hearing from God in an audible voice is still possible today, not knowing this phenomenon stopped when the Bible was completed.

However, it is far better to be in those churches where the Gospel can still be heard than to be in one denomination of over one billion members where the blind leader leads the blind.

To God Be The Glory

Yes......a six year old might over generalize Revelation 22:18 to the entire Bible rather than how it should be applied to the Book of Revelation. The author of Revelation did not know his writing was going to be included in the canon of the NT - it didn’t even exist at the time.

No serious student of scripture uses this verse to defend the man made doctrine of sola scriptura.

mjrhealth · Feb 20, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
So, you've FAILED again t address even ONE of the passages of Scripture I presented.
This is what is known as "Spiritual Pride". The Holy Spirit is knocking - yet you refuse to answer the door.

When you get a chance - take a look at those verses and pray about it because your current condition is NO way to live.
I'm hoping that the scales will fall from your rebellious eyes . .

BOL you fell off your high horse along time ago , your brain just hasnt noticed yet.

Eph_1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Col_1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence

and

Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

tahts why Christ is our Head, He is our authority, your church has none but that it is given by those who have "given" themselves to it, And just like a man who is dived between teh country he will serve, you are at war with Christ and His church, a war already lost, just like a chicken with its head cut off, and the body still runs around not realising it is dead,

But you cant talk to brick walls they have no knowledge.

Helen · Feb 20, 2018

The only reason I wouldn't "choose" to be one is because of the Mary thing.
But I respect them ...there are many good war stories where to priests and nuns were very brave in saving Jews and children.

But, I guess if God wrote with His finger on the wall...or spoke through a donkey to me...I would join the Catholic Church.

Webers_Home · Feb 21, 2018

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The incident depicted below is sometimes appropriated to interpret Matt 7:1-5

● John 8:1-6a . .Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared
again in the Temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and
he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees
brought in a woman caught in adultery.

. . .They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus; Rabbi, this
woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the law, Moses commanded us
to stone such women. Now what do you say?

. . .They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for
accusing him.

That scene took place outdoors because only specific Levites are permitted
to enter the structural portion of the Temple facility. The acreage adjoining
the structure served as a sort of sacred town square, where just about
anybody with the moxie and the wherewithal could set up a soap box
yeshiva to teach and/or preach, and vendors such as money changers and
livestock and fowl dealers could set up for business.

In those days, when Jews spoke of "God's house" the term always included
the courtyard as well as the structure, and the whole precinct was enclosed
inside a very large retaining wall.

Gentiles are often unaware of the Levitical restrictions controlling the
structure's entry and typically think of it as a church. But the rank and file
did their worship outside; not inside. Their closest approach was the Altar,
which was situated at the foot of steps leading up to a portico.

Christ wasn't a member of the Sanhedrin. So his Jewish opponents didn't
bring the woman to him for legal proceedings. This incident was wholly an
entrapment staged only to see where Christ stood regarding the rules about
adultery stated in the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as
per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy; but as the woman's
accusers were to soon find out, Christ was a stickler for due process.

First off: the covenant mandates that adulterers be put to death-- both the
man and the woman --no excuses and no exceptions.

● Lev 20:10 . . And the man that commits adultery with another man's wife,
even he that commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and
the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

However, the covenant requires the testimony of a minimum of at least two
witnesses in capital cases.

● Deut 17:6-7 . . At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he
that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he
shall not be put to death. The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt
put the evil away from among you.

As it turned out; every one of the witnesses against the woman disqualified
themselves.

● John 8:6-9 . . Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his
finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to
them: He among you without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at
her.

. . . Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who
heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus
was left, with the woman still standing there.

Consequently; the accusation was dropped.

● John 8:10-11 . . Jesus said to her: Woman, where are they? Does no one
condemn you? And she said: No one, sir. And Jesus said: Neither do I
condemn you

You see; even if Christ had been a legitimate witness, he couldn't testify
against her because the covenant requires a minimum of two witnesses in
capital cases.

Q: Isn't Christ supposed to be God; therefore knowing all things and seeing
all things? Why couldn't Christ prosecute the woman in that capacity?

A: Christ wasn't here the first time to judge-- he was here as John Q Citizen
and as such wasn't authorized to govern.

● Luke 12:13-14 . . Someone in the crowd said to him: Teacher, tell my
brother to divide the inheritance with me. Jesus replied: Man, who appointed
me a judge or an arbiter between you?

● John 3:17 . . God didn't send His son into the world to condemn the world;
but to spare the world through him.

NOTE: It's fun to speculate about what Christ wrote on the ground in the
incident of the woman taken in adultery. Well, as for me; I suspect it was
the names of girlfriends that the woman's accusers had on the side that they
thought nobody knew about. Hence when Christ said "let him who is without
sin cast the first stone" he wasn't talking about sin in general; no, he talking
about the same sin; viz: adultery.

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bbyrd009 · Feb 21, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
But, I guess if God wrote with His finger on the wall...or spoke through a donkey to me...I would join the Catholic Church.

well i guess you're already a member, and just the term "Catholic" has been appropriated out from under you

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