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well that's there problem isn't it. if they think to use scripture to make others believe they can fulfill what takes the power of God to do then leave them to their lies and wacko thinking. get used to it they are a dime a dozen. but that doesn't justify on your part to say that the Kingdom isn't within when its plain as day in scripture that it is.

the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the indwelling of God because it His Presence because Jesus says God is Spirit and Jesus also says the Father is in Him and He in the Father and Jesus also says that He is In His and Jesus says His Father is in Heaven.


those are the facts

just because the serpent uses them to create lies doesn't change the facts. and if you use the scriptures to justify to others your on views and not the views of the Kingdom of Heaven, you're just as guilty as the wackos that use scripture to justify their views, get it?

Christ's future Kingdom is on earth, and it will be a physical Kingdom that all will see, and all on earth will be subject to.

It will not... be a Kingdom involving many fake religions that don't recognize Jesus Christ as Lord like the one-worlders today are trying to build. That is the facts, and is what they are trying to do, and they involve deceived believers on Christ who support them that are not aware of what they're attempting. This is why I warn, regardless of how people like you feel about it.
 

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The Kingdom within is light. The LORD is light. We are told if we walk in the light We will not stumble. We are told persecution and possibly even death could be the result of this light because the world has no part of light nor can comprehend the light.

Matthew 6:22-23
[22] The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. [23] But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

To say the Kingdom is not here is to say there is no light, only darkness. But the LORD tells us to walk in the light which is the Lamb (Christ).

2 Timothy 1:9-10
[9] Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, [10] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

John 14:22-28
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? [23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. [25] These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. [27] Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. [28] Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Peace is of the light.
There is no peace in darkness.

I realize this is OT but is what it means to be filled with the Spirit.

Exodus 35:30-31
[30] And Moses said unto the children of Israel, See, the Lord hath called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah; [31] And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

And we are filled with the Spirit of God: who IS wisdom.

Psalm 104:24
[24] O Lord , how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.

Psalm 136:5
[5] To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(Proverbs 8) is a beautiful passage on wisdom.

We are to seek wisdom.
We are to seek the Kingdom first.

Isaiah 11:2-5
[2] And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord ; [3] And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord : and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: [4] But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. [5] And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.


Listen to Christ Jesus, and not your mystical ideas you've wrongly been taught to conceive loosely based on Scripture:

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

KJV
 

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Based on this post and the one before it, it sounds to me like you don't really disagree; it's just that you don't really understand the opposing viewpoint. I'm not as "Kingdom Now" focused as a lot of people, but evidently I am a lot more than you are, and I do have an understanding of it. So let's try to reconcile here.

Oh, I understand the opposing viewpoint very... well. The ultimate position in that opposing view is the one-world beast kingdom being setup today as an attempted copy of Christ's future Kingdom to come. This I mentioned in my OP from the very start, but apparently I'm on a forum where no ones recognizes that movement today and its difference from Christ's future Kingdom to come on earth.

You, yourself, said in your previous post that you do believe the Kingdom does exist right now, but it is a spiritual one. First off, I don't think there is anyone who is actually claiming that Jesus' physical Kingdom is established on the earth right now. They're talking about the spiritual kingdom. The same one that you believe in.

I don't think the majority here realize the difference, as especially shown by their posts. And understanding about David's throne that Jesus is to inherit per God's Word, that is even farther away from their understanding.


Secondly, there aren't too many people who are Kingdom Now people who don't believe there will come a time when Jesus physically returns and sets up His physical kingdom on the earth. We believe that, too. So we both believe that there will come a time in the future when there is a physically established kingdom, and we both believe that the kingdom is currently spiritual. The only difference with Kingdom Now people is they tend to focus more about what God wants to do on the earth now, rather than eschatology, i.e. spreading the gospel, etc.

I have to disagree that there aren't many who are Kingdom Now believers. If you are here when the coming pseudo-Christ shows up and their pastors tell them that's Jesus, then try to remember our discussion.


When we talk about things like being seated with Christ in heavenly places, we're not saying that we're having some kind of physical experience on the throne of God. What we're talking about is having a spiritual experience with God in His spiritual kingdom. I would bet that you believe that you can experience having your heart touched by God, right? We believe that God is alive, active, and He wants to be a part of our lives today, as well as the promises to come. At the very base and starting level of Christianity is salvation. That in itself is a spiritual, miraculous experience with God where you are made into a completely new creation.

I honestly don't think that there is much difference in beliefs, at least between you and I. It's just that maybe you didn't have a good understanding of what is meant by some phrasing or terminology. But having said that, I know there are people who call themselves mystics that go so far as to reject the importance of the Bible, and place a higher importance on spiritual experiences. I'm not talking about that. The Bible is our foundation.

Watch this and try to tell me that many of our brethren know the difference in what you're saying...

 

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Christ's future Kingdom is on earth, and it will be a physical Kingdom that all will see, and all on earth will be subject to.

It will not... be a Kingdom involving many fake religions that don't recognize Jesus Christ as Lord like the one-worlders today are trying to build. That is the facts, and is what they are trying to do, and they involve deceived believers on Christ who support them that are not aware of what they're attempting. This is why I warn, regardless of how people like you feel about it.

you never heard of "Our Father who art in Heaven Haloed be thy name thy Kingdom come, thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven"

and who says the Kingdom isn't coming now? seeing its King has come.

what is a kingdom to you? its made up of people who believe and trust in the kingdom or nation if you will. if no one believes or trusts in the US constitution then there is no US of A any more and the US of A exists because there are enough to people believe and trust in the US of A. hence without the belief in its agreement in this case the constitution there wasn't a US of A. so how many people believe in Jesus the Christ the King of the Kingdom of God, the everlasting covenant (covenant is a agreement)? and who says it doesn't exist in the earth, thing is its fulfillment in accordance to say revelation hasn't come to fulfillment yet.
 

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Listen to Christ Jesus, and not your mystical ideas you've wrongly been taught to conceive loosely based on Scripture:

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

KJV

1) We know the Kingdom is not of this world. Neither are we of this world but I am still present. Although an alien, I am here. We abide in Christ. If we do not abide in Christ, then we are not His. But since we do abide in Christ, then Christ is here.

1 Corinthians 13:10-12
[10] But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. [11] When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. [12] For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Present tense.

2) you disregarded: John 14:23
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

True or false?
Did this take place as a truth? Who is the comforter.

3) no mysticism about it. The light is truth. We do not reflect the natural sun. That is not the source of our light. It is Spiritual. We reflect Christ.

4) 2 Corinthians 4:4
[4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 

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Listen to Christ Jesus, and not your mystical ideas you've wrongly been taught to conceive loosely based on Scripture:

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

KJV

John 8:20-24
[20] These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

[21] Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

[22] Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. [24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins.

We are from above.
We are not of this world.
So what does that mean, Davy? How can we remain "in the world" but not "of the world"?
 

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From everything I've seen, the Greek word entos leans heavier towards meaning "inside" than "among." That word is only used one other time in the NT when Jesus is talking about cleaning the inside of a cup. Its root word is en, which basically means residing in a place, as opposed to eis, which speaks of the action or motion of moving into a place.

There is no question, scripturally, that Christ is within a child of God through His Holy Spirit. But having said that, its true that there is a spiritual realm all around us. But then you go back to the difference between that and the "Kingdom," and we're back to discussing the fact that "kingdom" means a domain in which a king rules. His Kingdom is made up of a bunch of people who have chosen to make Jesus their Lord.
My friend God kingdom is in heaven, Read John 17 when Jesus is asking His father. Read carefully what He is saying there. It is hard to unlock people's mind of the false rapture theory.
 

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Oh, I understand the opposing viewpoint very... well. The ultimate position in that opposing view is the one-world beast kingdom being setup today as an attempted copy of Christ's future Kingdom to come. This I mentioned in my OP from the very start, but apparently I'm on a forum where no ones recognizes that movement today and its difference from Christ's future Kingdom to come on earth.



I don't think the majority here realize the difference, as especially shown by their posts. And understanding about David's throne that Jesus is to inherit per God's Word, that is even farther away from their understanding.




I have to disagree that there aren't many who are Kingdom Now believers. If you are here when the coming pseudo-Christ shows up and their pastors tell them that's Jesus, then try to remember our discussion.




Watch this and try to tell me that many of our brethren know the difference in what you're saying...

First off, I didn't say there aren't many Kingdom Now believers. I said I don't think many people who identify with Kingdom Now theology actually believe that the Kingdom is physically set up on the earth now. From what I've known, most of them believe in the current spiritual Kingdom, and the benefits of a child of God being able to access that kingdom spiritually right now. It's not a physical thing.

But since I've been hanging out here, I see that there are several who have some pretty out-there beliefs. So who knows? But I can't really tell from your post if you are agreeing with my perspective or not.
 
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First off, I didn't say there aren't many Kingdom Now believers. I said I don't think many people who identify with Kingdom Now theology actually believe that the Kingdom is physically set up on the earth now. From what I've known, most of them believe in the current spiritual Kingdom, and the benefits of a child of God being able to access that kingdom spiritually right now. It's not a physical thing.

But since I've been hanging out here, I see that there are several who have some pretty out-there beliefs. So who knows? But I can't really tell from your post if you are agreeing with my perspective or not.
I am agree with all statements that is based only through the BIBLE. People think that they can mixed spiritual and literal. No my friend, literal is literal and spiritual is spiritual. And the books of prophecies are spiritual issues. Jesus says to the people that the kingdom of God is right here with them. Because Jesus was on earth with them right now. That means the teachings of the apostles and all the true Christians was the kingdoms of God. GOD'S property. And now just like the days before there are a few. Who can preached the everlasting gospel. God final kingdom on earth. And those people's are the one that Revelation 12:17 and 14:12 proclaims. Are you one of them? I AM ONE OF THEM.
 

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I am agree with all statements that is based only through the BIBLE. People think that they can mixed spiritual and literal. No my friend, literal is literal and spiritual is spiritual. And the books of prophecies are spiritual issues. Jesus says to the people that the kingdom of God is right here with them. Because Jesus was on earth with them right now. That means the teachings of the apostles and all the true Christians was the kingdoms of God. GOD'S property. And now just like the days before there are a few. Who can preached the everlasting gospel. God final kingdom on earth. And those people's are the one that Revelation 12:17 and 14:12 proclaims. Are you one of them? I AM ONE OF THEM.
It seems like you're arguing with me, but I can't tell if you actually disagree with me or not.
 

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you never heard of "Our Father who art in Heaven Haloed be thy name thy Kingdom come, thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven"

and who says the Kingdom isn't coming now? seeing its King has come.

Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world:

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence.

KJV

When Jesus returns is when He will bring His Kingdom here on earth, and then like Rev.11:15 says, all the kingdoms of this world will become those of The Father and His Son, and He shall reign forever and ever.

Jesus' first coming was meek as a Lamb to be sacrificed on the cross.

Jesus' second coming will be as KING of kings, and LORD of lords.
 

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1) We know the Kingdom is not of this world. Neither are we of this world but I am still present. Although an alien, I am here. We abide in Christ. If we do not abide in Christ, then we are not His. But since we do abide in Christ, then Christ is here.

1 Corinthians 13:10-12
[10] But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. [11] When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. [12] For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Present tense.

2) you disregarded: John 14:23
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

True or false?
Did this take place as a truth? Who is the comforter.

3) no mysticism about it. The light is truth. We do not reflect the natural sun. That is not the source of our light. It is Spiritual. We reflect Christ.

4) 2 Corinthians 4:4
[4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

You are still only talking about The Father establishing His Church on earth through us by The Holy Spirit as we believe on His Son Jesus Christ. That is not the same thing as His Kingdom to come, which He will manifest at His return to this earth.
 

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John 8:20-24
[20] These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

[21] Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

[22] Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. [24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins.

We are from above.
We are not of this world.
So what does that mean, Davy? How can we remain "in the world" but not "of the world"?

Our Lord Jesus means we are not of this PRESENT world time. That is very simple to understand what He is talking about. He was not speaking that we are like aliens like from another planet.

Does that mean the world to come that He was... talking about means a world up in the clouds without an earth? God forbid, no. Believing that is the mystical jargon of the false crept in unawares in many Churches today.

The end of Revelation does reveal God's Heavenly Cube extending up from the earth, but its foundation is upon this earth:

Rev 21:16
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
KJV
 

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First off, I didn't say there aren't many Kingdom Now believers. I said I don't think many people who identify with Kingdom Now theology actually believe that the Kingdom is physically set up on the earth now. From what I've known, most of them believe in the current spiritual Kingdom, and the benefits of a child of God being able to access that kingdom spiritually right now. It's not a physical thing.

But since I've been hanging out here, I see that there are several who have some pretty out-there beliefs. So who knows? But I can't really tell from your post if you are agreeing with my perspective or not.

I'm pretty close in agreement, but there's still a little disagreement as to the concept of His Kingdom, which really is still at the forefront of what I've been pointing to.

If you watched the Kundalini Warning video I posted, what kingdom do you think those in those Churches believe they have been subjected to? If one says those are true manifestations of The Holy Spirit, as they think, then an explanation would be needed of how those are also manifestations happening in eastern religions that don't preach Christ crucified (as also shown in the video). If one says those manifestations are not of God, then what kingdom is it that those have been subjected to?
 

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Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world:

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence.

KJV

When Jesus returns is when He will bring His Kingdom here on earth, and then like Rev.11:15 says, all the kingdoms of this world will become those of The Father and His Son, and He shall reign forever and ever.

Jesus' first coming was meek as a Lamb to be sacrificed on the cross.

Jesus' second coming will be as KING of kings, and LORD of lords.

of course its no OF this world, where have you been? but that doesn't mean its not in those who are in the world that have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, dose it? Jesus the Word of God made flesh Son of God from Heaven in Heaven was in the world wasn't He?
 
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of course its no OF this world, where have you been? but that doesn't mean its not in those who are in the world that have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, dose it? Jesus the Word of God made flesh Son of God from Heaven in Heaven was in the world wasn't He?

Do the manifestations with the following group of believers in this video represent the kingdom within you're talking about?

 

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You are still only talking about The Father establishing His Church on earth through us by The Holy Spirit as we believe on His Son Jesus Christ. That is not the same thing as His Kingdom to come, which He will manifest at His return to this earth.

What does to "manifest" mean?

I am talking about Romans 8:19
[19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
 

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Do the manifestations with the following group of believers in this video represent the kingdom within you're talking about?


Suggestion, if I may: compare these manifestations with Revelation 12:11 KJV [11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
 

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Our Lord Jesus means we are not of this PRESENT world time. That is very simple to understand what He is talking about. He was not speaking that we are like aliens like from another planet.

Does that mean the world to come that He was... talking about means a world up in the clouds without an earth? God forbid, no. Believing that is the mystical jargon of the false crept in unawares in many Churches today.

The end of Revelation does reveal God's Heavenly Cube extending up from the earth, but its foundation is upon this earth:

Rev 21:16
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
KJV

Again, His Kingdom is not of this world. And we (children born from above) are not of this world. Though we are in it.

The first foundation is of jasper...that's Christ (God). He is the cornerstone.

Revelation 21:18-19
[18] And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. [19] And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;...
 

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Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world:

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence.

KJV

When Jesus returns is when He will bring His Kingdom here on earth, and then like Rev.11:15 says, all the kingdoms of this world will become those of The Father and His Son, and He shall reign forever and ever.

Jesus' first coming was meek as a Lamb to be sacrificed on the cross.

Jesus' second coming will be as KING of kings, and LORD of lords.

Is not the Lamb a worthy KING?
Who is worthy to open the seals?