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(Jer 24:9 KJV) And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
 
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Of course Israel isn't living up to God's expectations for them. If they were they would turn to Jesus Christ as their Messiah. They would kick out all the Palestinians and muslims. They would destroy the dome of the rock and began rebuilding the Temple.

God is already doing what He wants to do.

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So Jesus would approve of kicking out all the Muslims and Palestinians? And to rebuild the temple!!!???? What particular aspect of the character of His Father leads you to believe that Jesus would expel all Palestinians and Muslims from Israel? Or expect anyone else to? But even more importantly, please explain the theology behind God's presumed desire to have Israel rebuild the temple. What would it be for?
 

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Then I must ask, does Israel deserve salvation considering their actions to date?
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
A 12 Year old Boy Shot Dead in front of YOUR Eyes

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
Thu., October 28, 2004
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

UN officials: Girl hit by IDF gunfire in UN school in Gaza
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and AP
Tue., October 12, 2004 Tishrei 27, 5765
An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) 7 September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary
Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's
Al-Umariye Elementary Boys' School in Rafah were hit by a bullet from a Israeli tank
In March 2003
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
September 8, 2003
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday morning near the town of Jabaliya, where he liv
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother.
28 July 2003
She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.
She was still in my arms and she died."
'I can't imagine anyone who considers himself a human being can do this'

This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
Tuesday December 23, 2003
Israel Army action breeds fresh hatred

Israel Baby is born then dies
September 11, 2003
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
Siege off Nablus
January, 2004
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house. The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead
Tue., October 05, 2004
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/485274.html

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."
http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html
http://tinyurl.com/8rmn2g3


Now after reviewing the above do you believe the Israelis’ are living up to God’s expectations of them?

If you were in God’s shoes, what would you do?​

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There are Jews who want peace and who want to coexist peacefully with their Arab neighbors as they did for hundreds of years. They say that this is not a religious conflict but a political one that is contradictory to the Jewish religion that teaches compassion. These Jews believe that they are forbidden to oppress and kill people and to steal their houses. They say that the Torah says, You shall not steal and you shall not kill. They say that this is true Judaism.
 
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So Jesus would approve of kicking out all the Muslims and Palestinians? And to rebuild the temple!!!???? What particular aspect of the character of His Father leads you to believe that Jesus would expel all Palestinians and Muslims from Israel? Or expect anyone else to? But even more importantly, please explain the theology behind God's presumed desire to have Israel rebuild the temple. What would it be for?

Yes, and yes.

The same aspect of the Father that led Israel into Canaan to destroy the Canaanites and establish Israel in the first place.

Israel, and Jerusalem, and the Temple would be the location where Jesus Christ will rule and reign over the world in the Millennium. It would be the designated place where the Spirit of God will manifest Himself having established His Kingdom on earth.

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The same aspect of the Father that led Israel into Canaan to destroy the Canaanites and establish Israel in the first place.
Israel was established as a vehicle through which the Messiah could come. Despite their determined resolve and obstinacy to serve other gods, He came anyway. Israel have long outlived their usefulness.

Israel, and Jerusalem, and the Temple would be the location where Jesus Christ will rule and reign over the world in the Millennium. It would be the designated place where the Spirit of God will manifest Himself having established His Kingdom on earth.
No, Jesus will not be ruling from a man-made counterfeit built in honour of the God Who long ago declared their house as desolate. He will be ruling from a temple in heaven that will descend with the New Jerusalem ...one made without hands.
 

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Israel was established as a vehicle through which the Messiah could come. Despite their determined resolve and obstinacy to serve other gods, He came anyway. Israel have long outlived their usefulness.

No, Jesus will not be ruling from a man-made counterfeit built in honour of the God Who long ago declared their house as desolate. He will be ruling from a temple in heaven that will descend with the New Jerusalem ...one made without hands.

There are many passages of Scripture that prove otherwise concerning Israel having outlived their usefulness. Here is but one. (Jere. 31:35-36) "Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name. If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever."

The final Temple yet to be rebuilt on earth is the Temple for the Millennium. This occurs before the coming down of the New Jerusalem. See (Rev. 20:1-4) and (Rev. 20:7-10) and (Rev. 20:12) and (Rev:21:1-2). This is not a counterfeit Temple as it's directions are given by God in detail in (Eze. 40-47). See also (Eze. 39:25-29).

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Ezekiel is using symbology to describe a different temple though, Stranger.
not some future literal one
Israel, and Jerusalem, and the Temple would be the location where Jesus Christ will rule and reign over the world in the Millennium. It would be the designated place where the Spirit of God will manifest Himself having established His Kingdom on earth.
yes, exactly, in the temple that we build on our firm foundation, right
 

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Ezekiel is using symbology to describe a different temple though, Stranger.
not some future literal one

yes, exactly, in the temple that we build on our firm foundation, right

Agree...a Temple not built with hands.

"Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and the earth my footstool. What sort of house will you build for me? says the Lord, or what will be my resting place?"

Acts 17:24
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands."

Any 'new temple' built now, for sure will be built by the Enemy of Truth.

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Ezekiel is using symbology to describe a different temple though, Stranger.
not some future literal one
yes, exactly, in the temple that we build on our firm foundation, right

Why do you say it is symbolic? Was the construction of the Tabernacle just symbolic? (Ex. 25-40)

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Why do you say it is symbolic? Was the construction of the Tabernacle just symbolic? (Ex. 25-40)

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i would say the Temple was constructed bc the people wanted it, and i guess to establish the Law, God knowing already that It would fail, and the Temple would be torn down anyway? So in a sense, yes.

as the why Ezekiel's Temple is symbolic, understand that i cannot state definitely that it is, Jews certainly don't think so...while some other Jews do, i guess. So google could prolly help out there more than i could. i have read more than one good study that points out the relationship between E's Temple and the one we are called to build...it's more like a useful perspective, than trying to come to an irrevocable conclusion, ok, you'll note both povs in a google search. Many people are Zionists, after all right. Not a crime. Perhaps a bit too literal a pov though
 

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There are Jews who want peace and who want to coexist peacefully with their Arab neighbors as they did for hundreds of years. They say that this is not a religious conflict but a political one that is contradictory to the Jewish religion that teaches compassion. These Jews believe that they are forbidden to oppress and kill people and to steal their houses. They say that the Torah says, You shall not steal and you shall not kill. They say that this is true Judaism.
the fruit is making it fairly obvious that the Jews got themselves a "country," but they made a deal with the devil to get it, i guess.
 

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Agree...a Temple not built with hands.

"Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and the earth my footstool. What sort of house will you build for me? says the Lord, or what will be my resting place?"

Acts 17:24
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands."

Any 'new temple' built now, for sure will be built by the Enemy of Truth.

...H

Of course no temple will contain God and He does not dwell in a temple. But He does make His presence known in an earthly temple in order to dwell with man.

It is God who ordered Moses to have the tabernacle built. (Ex. 25:8-9) "And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it."

(Ex. 26:30) "And thou shalt rear up the tabernacle according to the fashion thereof which was shewed thee in the mount."

(Ex. 39:43) "And Moses did look upon all the work, and, behold,they had done it as the LORD had commanded, even so had they done it: and Moses blessed them."

(Ex. 29:42-46) "This shall be a continual burnt -offering...at the door of the tabernacle of the Congregation before the LORD: where I will meet you, to speak there unto thee. And there I will meet with the children of Israel, and the tabernacle shall be sanctified by my glory....that I may dwell among them:...."

(Ex. 40:34) "Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.)

Now, the same is true with the temple of David. Or Solomon. God would not allow David to build it because he was a man-of-war. (1 Chron. 28:3) So his son Solomon would build it. (2 Samuel 7:13) "He shall build an house for my name,and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Though Solomon would build it, it was to David that the blueprints or pattern was given by God to follow. (1 Chron. 28:10-12) "Take heed now; for the LORD hath chosen thee to build an house for the sanctuary: be strong, and do it. Then David gave to Solomon his son the pattern of the porch, and of the houses thereof, and of the treasuries thereof, and of the upper chambers thereof, and of the inner parlours thereof, and of the place of the mercy seat, And the pattern of all that he had by the spirit...."

(1 Chron. 28:19) "All this, said David, the LORD made me understand in writing by his hand upon me, even all the works of this pattern."

And God confirmed that He was pleased with the Temple. (2 Chron. 5:13-14) "...then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God."

(2 Chron. 7:1) "Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt-offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the LORD filled the house."

Now at this time, the Church age, while Israel is set aside, the Church is the temple of God. It is where God manifests His presence on earth. (1 Cor. 3:16-17) "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God,and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God,him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy,which temple ye are."

And, just like God gave to Moses the blueprints for the Tabernacle, and God gave to David the blueprints for the Temple, so God gave to Paul the blue prints for the Church, the living Temple.

(1 Cor. 3:9-10) "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

When the Church, the living temple, is taken out at the Rapture, then there is need for another temple. And that there will be another temple is plain from (2 Thess. 2:3-4) "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "

There must be a temple built for the anti-Christ to set himself up as God. This will be the temple during the Tribulation period.

In (Eze. 36-40) Ezekiel is prophesying of Israel's return to the land, the future invasion of Russia upon Palestine, and the millennial temple. And the glory of the LORD will again return to the temple of Israel. (Eze. 43:1-5) This temple measures as no other temple. Just as the other temples were literal and physical temples, including the Church, there is no reason to all of a sudden think this temple described by Ezekiel is symbolical or just figurative.

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When the Church, the living temple, is taken out at the Rapture, then there is need for another temple.
only if you adhere to Rapture theory though
And that there will be another temple is plain from (2 Thess. 2:3-4) "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "

There must be a temple built for the anti-Christ to set himself up as God. This will be the temple during the Tribulation period.
the argument goes that this is an explanation of a person setting themselves up as God in their own temple, the one they build, not necessarily some future event that has yet to occur. Something we all do, iow, a lesson most everyone needs to learn, phrased as a warning of something "to watch out for."

there are other passages indicating "watch out for" that also imply watching out with a single eye, not eyes; you get the idea i'm sure. And these are not necessarily like denials that Rapture is possible, understand, more like an alternate way to perceive Living Word, maybe?
 

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<snip> (Ex. 25:8-9) "And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it."

(Ex. 26:30) "And thou shalt rear up the tabernacle according to the fashion thereof which was shewed thee in the mount."

(Ex. 39:43) "And Moses did look upon all the work, and, behold,they had done it as the LORD had commanded, even so had they done it: and Moses blessed them."

(Ex. 40:34) "Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.)
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And God confirmed that He was pleased with the Temple. (2 Chron. 5:13-14) "...then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God."

Now at this time, the Church age, while Israel is set aside, the Church is the temple of God. It is where God manifests His presence on earth. (1 Cor. 3:16-17) "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God,and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God,him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy,which temple ye are."

And, just like God gave to Moses the blueprints for the Tabernacle, and God gave to David the blueprints for the Temple, so God gave to Paul the blue prints for the Church, the living Temple.
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When the Church, the living temple, is taken out at the Rapture, then there is need for another temple. And that there will be another temple is plain from (2 Thess. 2:3-4) "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "

There must be a temple built for the anti-Christ to set himself up as God. This will be the temple during the Tribulation period.

In (Eze. 36-40) Ezekiel is prophesying of Israel's return to the land, the future invasion of Russia upon Palestine, and the millennial temple. And the glory of the LORD will again return to the temple of Israel. (Eze. 43:1-5) This temple measures as no other temple. Just as the other temples were literal and physical temples, including the Church, there is no reason to all of a sudden think this temple described by Ezekiel is symbolical or just figurative.

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Good post. Love those scriptures. Agree on all of the post until ( obviously for me) you mentioned the Church being Raptured out. I can't go there...but never mind, I can pretend for a moment that I agree with it. One of us is right and one wrong...we will yet see.
You said 'after the church has gone (somewhere)..there is need of another temple. Why? Who needs one? Not God, that is for sure.
According to the 'rapture' the church has gone..so why a temple?
Unless, as some believe, the Jews will rebuild the temple. As I first heard that in the 60's- "The doors are built and ready"... 50 years later..no new news...so I am doubtful. Yes, ... I could be wrong.
Personally I believe that the next temple is found at the end Revelation.

You wrote:- < And that there will be another temple is plain from (2 Thess. 2:3-4) "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, ( I think we are there now) and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "


I see no man of sin, except the rebellious heart. A heart that sits in the man's spirit ( temple) which should be the temple of only God...but the exalted man believing that he is his own god. Even the new agers believe that already.
Where the Jews fit in I am not sure at all. Paul talks about them being grafted back in...I hope that they are...for Abrahams and David's sake.
has not forgotten them for sure.

I believe God still has a veil over much of this...but, as He unfolds it, we will say.... "Oh, this is what that means.."

Anyway...that is where I am on some of these things...a lot of what some take as literal, I do not...I believe it is spiritual typology.
But I am not hard and fast on that...it is unwise to be dogmatic on things that we cannot prove either way.

God bless.....Helen..
 

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Good post. Love those scriptures. Agree on all of the post until ( obviously for me) you mentioned the Church being Raptured out. I can't go there...but never mind, I can pretend for a moment that I agree with it. One of us is right and one wrong...we will yet see.
You said 'after the church has gone (somewhere)..there is need of another temple. Why? Who needs one? Not God, that is for sure.
According to the 'rapture' the church has gone..so why a temple?
Unless, as some believe, the Jews will rebuild the temple. As I first heard that in the 60's- "The doors are built and ready"... 50 years later..no new news...so I am doubtful. Yes, ... I could be wrong.
Personally I believe that the next temple is found at the end Revelation.

You wrote:- < And that there will be another temple is plain from (2 Thess. 2:3-4) "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, ( I think we are there now) and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "


I see no man of sin, except the rebellious heart. A heart that sits in the man's spirit ( temple) which should be the temple of only God...but the exalted man believing that he is his own god. Even the new agers believe that already.
Where the Jews fit in I am not sure at all. Paul talks about them being grafted back in...I hope that they are...for Abrahams and David's sake.
has not forgotten them for sure.

I believe God still has a veil over much of this...but, as He unfolds it, we will say.... "Oh, this is what that means.."

Anyway...that is where I am on some of these things...a lot of what some take as literal, I do not...I believe it is spiritual typology.
But I am not hard and fast on that...it is unwise to be dogmatic on things that we cannot prove either way.

God bless.....Helen..

Another temple is necessary because God is not done with Israel. Just as much as Christ coming to die for our sins was part of the plan of God, so also was His Son ruling in Jerusalem and Israel over the earth with a temple of God present.

As I have asked, if the Tabernacle was literal and real, and the Temple of Solomon was literal and real, and the Church as a temple is literal and real, why should the Millennial Temple be considered anything less?

The Jews are preparing for the building of the Temple. They don't have the liberty by there secular government to do so for fear of the muslim reaction. Time is really immaterial. That they will build it is certain.

Concerning the 'man of sin' being our sinning heart, yes we disagree. Well, 'that man of sin' 'the son of perdition' 'who opposeth' 'he as God' 'shewing himself'. I think you do an injustice to see this in anything other than a real person. Especially with the term 'son of perdition'. That term is only used twice in Scripture. Once with Judas in (John 17:12). And here in ( 2 thess. 2:3) with the man of sin.

God does not have a veil over your eyes. He does over Israels eyes at this time. He does however hide His Word throughout Scripture and expects us to dig it out. He won't unfold it if we are not pursuing it. (Pro. 25:2) "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter."

I understand. As the Lord leads.

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Another temple is necessary because God is not done with Israel..,.,.,.,.
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You are so right. God's final verse can be found at the end of this post-----

(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

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Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

The End
 

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Another temple is necessary because God is not done with Israel. Just as much as Christ coming to die for our sins was part of the plan of God, so also was His Son ruling in Jerusalem and Israel over the earth with a temple of God present.

As I have asked, if the Tabernacle was literal and real, and the Temple of Solomon was literal and real, and the Church as a temple is literal and real, why should the Millennial Temple be considered anything less?

The Jews are preparing for the building of the Temple. They don't have the liberty by there secular government to do so for fear of the muslim reaction. Time is really immaterial. That they will build it is certain.

Concerning the 'man of sin' being our sinning heart, yes we disagree. Well, 'that man of sin' 'the son of perdition' 'who opposeth' 'he as God' 'shewing himself'. I think you do an injustice to see this in anything other than a real person. Especially with the term 'son of perdition'. That term is only used twice in Scripture. Once with Judas in (John 17:12). And here in ( 2 thess. 2:3) with the man of sin.

God does not have a veil over your eyes. He does over Israels eyes at this time. He does however hide His Word throughout Scripture and expects us to dig it out. He won't unfold it if we are not pursuing it. (Pro. 25:2) "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter."

I understand. As the Lord leads.

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Stranger: I know you are sincere in your prophetic writings although I do not agree with them. I have noticed that your basis for your prophecy concerning a new future temple, is based on God providing and promising it to Israel.

Do you then think that Jews are Israel, those that inhabit the political state of Israel?

I should do an OP on the Jews and Gentiles - are they real names in scripture or were they used to replace the true names for a sinister agenda? it might stir up a lot of folks, good for education and learning. Incidentally, I believe that question I just suggested, is true. And that also means Jews are not Israel.

I just wanted to know if you have studied the key player in your writings – Israel?

Bless you,

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You are so right. God's final verse can be found at the end of this post-----

(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

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Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

The End

No, that is not the final verse. Israel shall be judged, yes. But then God shall restore her. Israel shall be the leading nation of the world where Jesus the Messiah will rule. Israel's promises were forever. If her forever is not true, then our promises of forever and eternal are not true either. (Hosea 3:4-5, 5:6) (Joel 3:118-20), (Amos 3:14-15, 9:9-10, 9:11-12, 9:14-15) (Micah 1:5, 4:1-5, 4:11-13, 7:7-20), etc. etc.

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